On 4 Mar 2013, at 23:25, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-03-04 21:53, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 4 Mar 2013, at 22:51, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
I fear DECterm is only thing that supported SIXEL/Regus graphics. Tek 4010/aka Plot 10 was popular, but by the time DEC did SIXEL, graphics terminals and workstations were already taking over and I don't think they got enough market share for 3rd party SW houses to support it.
I asked one of the original Athena guys if he remembers / knows of anything besides DECterm.
Clem
Damn it - SIXEL graphics are just so cool.
There are various third party terminal emulators.
Reflection is one that I know of. (VT340 emulation, including both ReGIS and Sixel).
Googling around I've found references to Kea 340, SmarTerm 340, poly-STAR/GW, TTWin, Personal Communications. Just google around, and you'll find some. Exactly how many are still available today I don't know. Also, all of them seem to be commercial products.
Johnny
I'll try to find a copy of Reflection or KEA 340 on "the usual places"...
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On 2013-03-04 21:53, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 4 Mar 2013, at 22:51, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
I fear DECterm is only thing that supported SIXEL/Regus graphics. Tek 4010/aka Plot 10 was popular, but by the time DEC did SIXEL, graphics terminals and workstations were already taking over and I don't think they got enough market share for 3rd party SW houses to support it.
I asked one of the original Athena guys if he remembers / knows of anything besides DECterm.
Clem
Damn it - SIXEL graphics are just so cool.
There are various third party terminal emulators.
Reflection is one that I know of. (VT340 emulation, including both ReGIS and Sixel).
Googling around I've found references to Kea 340, SmarTerm 340, poly-STAR/GW, TTWin, Personal Communications. Just google around, and you'll find some. Exactly how many are still available today I don't know. Also, all of them seem to be commercial products.
Johnny
On 4 Mar 2013, at 22:51, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
I fear DECterm is only thing that supported SIXEL/Regus graphics. Tek 4010/aka Plot 10 was popular, but by the time DEC did SIXEL, graphics terminals and workstations were already taking over and I don't think they got enough market share for 3rd party SW houses to support it.
I asked one of the original Athena guys if he remembers / knows of anything besides DECterm.
Clem
Damn it - SIXEL graphics are just so cool.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Apropos terminal emulation, does anyone know a terminal program (Win32, OS X, UNIX X11, anything that'll run on a non-DEC box) that will do SIXEL graphics?
I love the things, but the only thing I've found is DEC's DECW$TERM and piping this stuff over SSH just isn't the same as something running locally..
I fear DECterm is only thing that supported SIXEL/Regus graphics. Tek 4010/aka Plot 10 was popular, but by the time DEC did SIXEL, graphics terminals and workstations were already taking over and I don't think they got enough market share for 3rd party SW houses to support it.
I asked one of the original Athena guys if he remembers / knows of anything besides DECterm.
Clem
On 03/04/2013 03:40 PM, lee.gleason at comcast.net wrote:
FYI: I bought my still working Tek 465B o'scope for $25 long ago (and
it still has a DEC asset tag on the back ;-)
I still use to debug HW.
I bought my 465 used in 1980...still use it quite often. Everything
still works and the trace is still bright and sharp.
The 465 is a damn fine scope!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
>Clem
>FYI: I bought my still working Tek 465B o'scope for $25 long ago (and it still has a DEC asset tag on the back ;-)
>I still use to debug HW.
I bought my 465 used in 1980...still use it quite often. Everything still works and the trace is still bright and sharp.
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
Apropos terminal emulation, does anyone know a terminal program (Win32, OS X, UNIX X11, anything that'll run on a non-DEC box) that will do SIXEL graphics?
I love the things, but the only thing I've found is DEC's DECW$TERM and piping this stuff over SSH just isn't the same as something running locally..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 4 Mar 2013, at 22:28, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-03-04 03:58, John Wilson wrote:
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
Could you expand on how it fails?
Duh, sorry!! Here's the most egregious case:
I've tried to muse a little, but I might be totally off base here.
As far as I know, the hidden wrap flag do exist on xterm, as well as VT200 and newer terminals. So I'm mostly curious about trying to figure out in which way it differs.
(For comparison I can mention that PuTTY does not, and it is one standing issue I have with that program, as I actually use this "feature" in a program I wrote (ZEMU to be precise).)
So I did stumble upon this many years ago, and thought I knew how it worked. Your comments about a VT100 failing, and relating this to that same flag is making me curious...
Also, it would seem that, according to your posting here, John, some letters are doubled on a VT100. Even more weird.
I should probably look at the actual stream of bytes coming in. But if you have any more light to shed, I'm really interested here. But we can take this offlist.
Johnny
On 2013-03-04 03:58, John Wilson wrote:
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
Could you expand on how it fails?
Duh, sorry!! Here's the most egregious case:
I've tried to muse a little, but I might be totally off base here.
As far as I know, the hidden wrap flag do exist on xterm, as well as VT200 and newer terminals. So I'm mostly curious about trying to figure out in which way it differs.
(For comparison I can mention that PuTTY does not, and it is one standing issue I have with that program, as I actually use this "feature" in a program I wrote (ZEMU to be precise).)
So I did stumble upon this many years ago, and thought I knew how it worked. Your comments about a VT100 failing, and relating this to that same flag is making me curious...
Also, it would seem that, according to your posting here, John, some letters are doubled on a VT100. Even more weird.
I should probably look at the actual stream of bytes coming in. But if you have any more light to shed, I'm really interested here. But we can take this offlist.
Johnny
----- Original Message -----
| From: "John Wilson" <wilson at dbit.com>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Monday, 4 March, 2013 2:44:04 PM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Vt100 tester
|
| From: "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM>
|
| >Which tests???
|
| The worst one was with the letters going down both margins (part of
| set #1).
|
| >Are Eli Heffron still in biz?
|
| www.eli.com. I assume it's just "& son" now (Neal Heffron I think?
| he was cool). Their *awesome* dusty old shop is long gone (I was
| kicked
| out of there once in 6th or 7th grade) so I think it's
| mail-order-only,
| but they have plenty of stuff and their prices are reasonable.
| VT520s
| for less than my VT100 was!!!
Hey, looks like I can get a real DEC terminal for a reasonable price!
|
| >I've not tried these test on a plain ol' VT100. The oldest kit I've
| >used
| >was a VT220 and it passes all tests as expected.
|
| I'm sure the same is true for the author. Who'd think DEC would mess
| up
| their own compatibility? Plus the tests made no allowance for not
| having
| the AVO, which the 101 and plenty of 100s didn't.
|
| Anyway this is going to be OCD heaven -- more pointless details to
| obsess
| over! And I appreciate the warning to be on the lookout if I ever
| lose my
| mind and want to add VT220 emulation. I totally would have assumed
| it was
| just a matter of adding new stuff, not changing the old stuff.
|
| John Wilson
| D Bit
|
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On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM, John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> wrote:
www.eli.com. I assume it's just "& son" now (Neal Heffron I think?
he was cool). Their *awesome* dusty old shop is long gone
check out: http://www.eli.com/index.cfm?template=history
The old man was the first DEC reseller.
The old warehouse is still there. The son tried to get into the PC business in the late 80s and the shop that had all the cool old 'tronics in it closed, since the PC customers did not like the dirty and dark. Like John, other of us "nerdi" knights knew it as a holy place.
Clem
FYI: I bought my still working Tek 465B o'scope for $25 long ago (and it still has a DEC asset tag on the back ;-)
I still use to debug HW.
