On 2013-04-07 00:54, Rob Jarratt wrote:
I have made some improvements to NICE on my user mode router, although
there is still quite a lot to do. It would be great if someone could try
a MC NCP TELL A5RTR SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS and let me know how it goes. If
you do try it please consider running a packet sniffer when you do in
case it fails as that would help me to diagnose the problem.
Why don't you log in to MIM, and try yourself?
Johnny
Thanks
Rob
*From:*owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] *On
Behalf Of *Rob Jarratt
*Sent:* 04 April 2013 19:48
*To:* hecnet at Update.UU.SE
*Subject:* RE: [HECnet] Who was doing that HECnet mapping work?
Looks like someone tried and failed (from 8.403). If you want to try
again please use a packet sniffer and send me the data.
Thanks
Rob
*From:*owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] *On Behalf Of *Rob Jarratt
*Sent:* 04 April 2013 06:22
*To:* hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
*Subject:* RE: [HECnet] Who was doing that HECnet mapping work?
I am back online now. SHOW ADJ NODES won t work yet. You may fail to get
a connection for SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS, that is my next task to fix.
Regards
Rob
*From:*owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] *On Behalf Of *Brian Hechinger
*Sent:* 04 April 2013 01:35
*To:* hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
*Subject:* Re: [HECnet] Who was doing that HECnet mapping work?
That was me.
I haven't touched that code in a while but I should go take a look at it
again. It used SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS and SHOW ADJ NODES.
Let me know when you're back online and I'll play with that some more.
-brian
On 4/3/2013 6:55 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
A while ago there was discussion of a program or DCL script that was
automating the creation of a map of HECnet. It stumbled when it came
to my user mode router because it did not implement NICE. Well, I
have been doing some work to rectify that. The work is far from
complete, but under the right circumstances and with a fair wind you
can get A5RTR to tell you the output of SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS.
Who was doing that work, and which commands needed to be supported
for the program/script to work?
Regards
Rob
NB A5RTR is not on HECnet at the moment because I have had a change
of IP address and I am waiting for Johnny to tell his bridge to
re-read its config.
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I have made some improvements to NICE on my user mode router, although there is still quite a lot to do. It would be great if someone could try a MC NCP TELL A5RTR SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS and let me know how it goes. If you do try it please consider running a packet sniffer when you do in case it fails as that would help me to diagnose the problem.
Thanks
Rob
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Rob Jarratt Sent: 04 April 2013 19:48 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Who was doing that HECnet mapping work?
Looks like someone tried and failed (from 8.403). If you want to try again please use a packet sniffer and send me the data.
Thanks
Rob
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Rob Jarratt Sent: 04 April 2013 06:22 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Who was doing that HECnet mapping work?
I am back online now. SHOW ADJ NODES won t work yet. You may fail to get a connection for SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS, that is my next task to fix.
Regards
Rob
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger Sent: 04 April 2013 01:35 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Who was doing that HECnet mapping work?
That was me. I haven't touched that code in a while but I should go take a look at it again. It used SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS and SHOW ADJ NODES. Let me know when you're back online and I'll play with that some more. -brian On 4/3/2013 6:55 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
A while ago there was discussion of a program or DCL script that was automating the creation of a map of HECnet. It stumbled when it came to my user mode router because it did not implement NICE. Well, I have been doing some work to rectify that. The work is far from complete, but under the right circumstances and with a fair wind you can get A5RTR to tell you the output of SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS.
Who was doing that work, and which commands needed to be supported for the program/script to work?
Regards
Rob
NB A5RTR is not on HECnet at the moment because I have had a change of IP address and I am waiting for Johnny to tell his bridge to re-read its config.
Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
On 2013-04-06 22:58, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:54, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
"Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Is LAT supported on VMS 3.5 at all? If so, is it supported without the =
DECnet license? (I don't have a license kit for 3.x)
LAT is _NOT_ part of DECnet. LAT can be run without DECnet installed or
running. IIRC, LAT was licensed with VMS.
Ah. So I just need to find the filename to start it then. ;)
I think that would be LATCP.EXE
That's the control utility but VMS uses the file LTLOAD.COM in SYS$MANAGER/-
SYS$STARTUP to load the driver and define node, port and services during the
system startup. You'll find something like LATCP="MCR LATCP"/LATCP="$LATCP"
in LTLOAD.COM used to prefix the various commands.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
"Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:54, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" =
<system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
=20
"Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
=20
Is LAT supported on VMS 3.5 at all? If so, is it supported without =
the =3D
DECnet license? (I don't have a license kit for 3.x)
=20
LAT is _NOT_ part of DECnet. LAT can be run without DECnet installed =
or
running. IIRC, LAT was licensed with VMS.
Ah. So I just need to find the filename to start it then. ;)
It's changed since V3x days. Look for LTLOAD.COM in SYS$MANAGER.
The new names are LAT$STARTUP and LAT$SYSTARTUP but I think you'll
find LTLOAD.COM is the place to begin.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 2013-04-06 22:58, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:54, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
"Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Is LAT supported on VMS 3.5 at all? If so, is it supported without the =
DECnet license? (I don't have a license kit for 3.x)
LAT is _NOT_ part of DECnet. LAT can be run without DECnet installed or
running. IIRC, LAT was licensed with VMS.
Ah. So I just need to find the filename to start it then. ;)
I think that would be LATCP.EXE
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:54, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
"Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Is LAT supported on VMS 3.5 at all? If so, is it supported without the =
DECnet license? (I don't have a license kit for 3.x)
LAT is _NOT_ part of DECnet. LAT can be run without DECnet installed or
running. IIRC, LAT was licensed with VMS.
Ah. So I just need to find the filename to start it then. ;)
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
"Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Is LAT supported on VMS 3.5 at all? If so, is it supported without the =
DECnet license? (I don't have a license kit for 3.x)
LAT is _NOT_ part of DECnet. LAT can be run without DECnet installed or
running. IIRC, LAT was licensed with VMS.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:26, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-04-06 22:11, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started
from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV
using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
SIMH instance on Pi using DZ attached to /dev/ttyUSB0 -> DECserver ->
VT420.
Now, that I didn't get at all.
Why do you go to a DECserver to get to a terminal? It's already a serial port when you get out from the Pi. The DECserver looks like a really redundant piece of equipment in this equation.
Oddly enough, performance is better when connecting it to the DECserver. I am not sure why.
I would either connect the VT420 to the USB serial port, or else use LAT between the DECserver and the simh instance.
Is LAT supported on VMS 3.5 at all? If so, is it supported without the DECnet license? (I don't have a license kit for 3.x)
However, it is nice that simh now can associate a physical serial port with a simulated one. How transparent is it? I mean, can you change the speed of the physical serial port by doing the programming of the simulated one?
ATTACH DZ has an option for specifying baud rate. I broke SIMH when I tried to set it to 300 baud though. ;)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-04-06 22:11, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started
from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV
using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
SIMH instance on Pi using DZ attached to /dev/ttyUSB0 -> DECserver ->
VT420.
Now, that I didn't get at all.
Why do you go to a DECserver to get to a terminal? It's already a serial port when you get out from the Pi. The DECserver looks like a really redundant piece of equipment in this equation.
I would either connect the VT420 to the USB serial port, or else use LAT between the DECserver and the simh instance.
However, it is nice that simh now can associate a physical serial port with a simulated one. How transparent is it? I mean, can you change the speed of the physical serial port by doing the programming of the simulated one?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
SIMH instance on Pi using DZ attached to /dev/ttyUSB0 -> DECserver -> VT420.
The idea was to have one of those serial ports as a console, the other
as a means of connecting the image to the real world.
For a clue please read "Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll, he describes how
his systems were all connected. And from the UCB campus to the
Internet.
If it works, then okay. If not, then blame Dave. Outside of the
rioting drunken Yetis, he needs more things to worry about.
It works. :)
http://gewt.net/pics/decserver/vms35-dz.jpg
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
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http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
