On 04/08/2013 09:59 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
... And the daughter's name?
:)
Stacy. She's awesome. It's sad that we've mostly lost touch, but our
friendship is one of those where we can not talk for a year, and then catch
up when I'm in town and it was like we were together the whole time.
If you need to find a home for any of those truckloads of hardware, I'm
sure you'll find some volunteers here.
I have some hardware that I'd very much like to send on to better homes. I
have some Sun Fire 6800s here. Glorious machines but surplus to my needs.
Want some?
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
... And the daughter's name?
:)
If you need to find a home for any of those truckloads of hardware, I'm sure you'll find some volunteers here.
Ian
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On 2013-04-08, at 6:39 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 04/08/2013 09:37 PM, John Wilson wrote:
[...] worked for a guy [...]
[...] of one of the designers of [...]
There's MY name-dropping for the day.)
Um, I think you did it wrong! (no names :-)
Oh shit! Sorry.
Gerald J. Clancy, Jr., and Robert C. Smith.
-Dave
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On 04/08/2013 09:57 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
[...] worked for a guy [...]
[...] of one of the designers of [...]
There's MY name-dropping for the day.)
Um, I think you did it wrong! (no names :-)
Oh shit! Sorry.
Gerald J. Clancy, Jr., and Robert C. Smith.
Hello!
Mind the language! I don't know if this list is archived according to
the usual strange rules concerning e-mail lists, but if its a public
archive, that use of an appropriate four letter American word will
cause problems.
Oh good heavens.
This does not explain why there are six unidentified individuals
digging through a rubbish skip by your place, and seven others trying
to figure out why your place tastes bad.
That's someone else's rubbish skip, and that's my trash in it. ;)
-Dave
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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 04/08/2013 09:37 PM, John Wilson wrote:
[...] worked for a guy [...]
[...] of one of the designers of [...]
There's MY name-dropping for the day.)
Um, I think you did it wrong! (no names :-)
Oh shit! Sorry.
Gerald J. Clancy, Jr., and Robert C. Smith.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Mind the language! I don't know if this list is archived according to
the usual strange rules concerning e-mail lists, but if its a public
archive, that use of an appropriate four letter American word will
cause problems.
This does not explain why there are six unidentified individuals
digging through a rubbish skip by your place, and seven others trying
to figure out why your place tastes bad.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 04/08/2013 09:37 PM, John Wilson wrote:
[...] worked for a guy [...]
[...] of one of the designers of [...]
There's MY name-dropping for the day.)
Um, I think you did it wrong! (no names :-)
Oh shit! Sorry.
Gerald J. Clancy, Jr., and Robert C. Smith.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
[...] worked for a guy [...]
[...] of one of the designers of [...]
There's MY name-dropping for the day.)
Um, I think you did it wrong! (no names :-)
John Wilson
D Bit
On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-04-08 23:26, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
...
By the way, MOP, from an ethernet point of view, is neither LAT nor DECnet. MOP is its own protocols on ethernet. 0x6001 and 0x6002. But I believe they were defined as being a part of the DECnet suite anyway.
The MOP spec is one of the DECnet architecture specs. And in fact it relies on the DNA datalink layer and is controlled via the DNA management layer. Other than that, it's indeed separate -- doesn't use routing or NSP.
Paul, what do you mean by "relies on the DNA datalink layer"?
MOP either uses DDCMP, which is a point to point DNA datalink layer, or Ethernet (including the DEC-originated explicit packet length field) which is a multicast DNA datalink layer. Or FDDI, I suppose, which is another DNA datalink layer.
In the latter two cases it may not be all that obvious, because people tend to think of Ethernet and FDDI as international standards. And so they are -- but DNA adds more detail. The packet length field in DNA Ethernet protocols (MOP and routing) is something in the DNA Ethernet spec but not in the international standard.
paul
On 04/08/2013 08:28 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
Guys, guys...*I* am the token name-dropper in this crowd, ok?
Dropping like token ring?
No, I did that this morning. ;)
-Dave
(For several years, 25 years ago, I worked for a guy who was both one of
the developers of OS/360, and the chairman of IEEE committee 802.3. And for
awhile, I dated the daughter of one of the designers of the PDP-11/34 CPU,
he's a friend of mine...I just picked up a third vanload of VAXen, plus a
pair of VT78s, from him two weeks ago. There's MY name-dropping for the day.)
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
Guys, guys...*I* am the token name-dropper in this crowd, ok?
Dropping like token ring?
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Guys, guys...*I* am the token name-dropper in this crowd, ok?
-Dave
On 04/08/2013 08:19 PM, Clem Cole wrote:
google 3com unet Bruce Borden Greg shaw bob metcalfe
and you should get a hit for 1979-80 time frame
On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:09 PM, "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Clem Cole wrote:
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
The flag day for TCP/IP was 1 Jan 1983, so I wouldn't expect you were
running much TCP/IP before that point. (Yes, I know experiments and
development was going on, but the number of implementations were few, still
had issues, and was very much work still in progress
Johnny it was TCP/IP. Remember, I'm one of the implementors of the
original IP/TCP for the VMS (along with Stan Smith) in >>1979<<. I was
also 3Com first customer at the same time (another but related story).
Most people do not realize the first product 3Com sold was >>software<< -
UNET a TCP/IP implementation for UNIX/V7 (PDP11 and Vax) - we took deliver
on Dec >>32<< 1979 because 3Com had a funding thing with their VCs that
they would ship before the end of 1979.
I didn't knoq TCP/IP existed for UNIX/V7. How interesting! What interfaces did it support?
I would hardly call IP/TCP a work in progress. Yes, it was young, but it
was well defined. Most of the major sites had switched and the US Gov had
a spent a bunch to make sure it was implemented. We had it running on a
number of interesting and different systems at the time. If I had the time
and can actually read the tapes, at one time I >>had<< the bits on 9-track
for many of them in my basement (I still have the tapes - but who knows).
FYI: the original IP/TCP for 4.1BSD was not written at Berkeley, it was
written at BBN and used the MIT Chaos-Net hacks to slide in the 4.1BSD
kernel (by Rob Gerawitzs & Rob Walsh). Remember, BBN had the contract from
ARPA to develop the different IP/TCP implementations. In fact, the mbuf
code that Rob G created was because he needed a memory handler that was OS
kernel independent, so it could be stuffed into a number of a different
kernels. Eric Cooper was the grad student that put the "portable BBN
IP/TCP" into 4.1 at UCB to replace the BerkNet and Eric Schmidt (yes the
Google one) made the mailer talk to it. Berkeley had a contract to
support the base UNIX kernel for ARPA. So as part of that, wnj would
create "sockets" for 4.1A (as a response to the Accent/Mach "port" concept)
and then re-stuff the BBN code into his socket layer. Then he, Sam, et al
start to hack it. Van would take it up the hill to LBL and start to hack
further. Eventually 4.2BSD would be released as we know it as part of the
UCB ARPA contract and most sites picked up the code from that release not
the BBN release.
DEC all of these release along the way and Fred Canter, Armando Stettner,
and the whole "TIG" (telephone industries group) in Merrimack were doing
their thing for AT&T, the Universities and any UNIX licensee that wanted
it. TIG would begat the Ultrix team.
Not trying to come down on you, but "I was there" and very much "mixed up"
in it all.
As for when MOP was released for the UNIX flavors, I really can not
remember. It was all around the same time, but as I said, those bits in my
brain are stale and I was not part of any LAT/MOP etc (directly or
indirectly) so their is no real reason for me to remember some of the
specifics.
Clem
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