Don't be surprised if it doesn't work right.
I have a USB keyboard that was built with an industry standard USB keyboard controller chip. It works fine in Linux, but if you plug it into a Mac, the keyboard handler goes into an infinite loop. That bug was discovered several years ago and remains unfixed.
paul
On Sep 17, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
I forgot to clarify - I'm thinking about getting a old MAC keyboard which has loads of extra buttons that I'm sure the OS will pass through..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 17 Sep 2013, at 16:27, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
I think I can remap the keys to send pretty much any escape code in Terminal.app.
So as long as I have enough physical keys, I can 'emulate' an LK-style keyboar (Gold keys, PF1-4 etc).
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 17 Sep 2013, at 16:24, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
To do what? The OS won't support the keys and as a result a terminal from the host OS won't either. I am not 100% sure how SimH accesses the keyboard input and haven't tested a USB VMS keyboard with it. I fear the host OS won't map the keys forward?
FWIW my AB552A is USB with a PS/2 adapter.
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
My idea is to plug one of these into a Macbook Pro with a USB adapter, failing that, could I just get a 100+ key USB keyboard, do some tweaking and relabel the buttons?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 17 Sep 2013, at 06:29, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
Might be worth to get one if you can manage to find one (for a reasonable price).
HP's price is very high. Don't know if they still deliver them.
I've tried to use the PS2-style LK keyboards connected through a PS2 - USB dongle with my zx6000 with no luck.
Kari
On 17.9.2013 6:12, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Just saw this on HoffmanLabs,
intrigued by the AB552A model.
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/19
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
.
--
Mark Benson
On 17/09/2013 15:28, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I forgot to clarify - I'm thinking about getting a old MAC keyboard which has loads of extra buttons that I'm sure the OS will pass through..
Cherry don't make the AB552A kit any more, it was discontinued around 2 years ago. I have one of these, and as far as Cherry keyboards go, and as pointed out previously, it is pretty disappointing - very stiff keys but mushy at the same time. They took the existing tooling that Compaq/HP used previously. Not an inspiring keyboard.
As far as using one with an emulator, I can do that under Linux by remapping keys and all but one (I forget which, PF4 I think) works OK.
If you are rolling your own terminal app to connect with SIMH you have carte blanche I would imagine as long as the underlying operating system driver recognises the extra keys. In the case of the AB552A and Windows, for example, some of the keys simply don't generate a keycode that is propogated through to the application layer, so you're pretty much screwed attempting to get it working.
Also note that for the PS/2 variants of the keyboard such as the LK41R the extra keys use a special mode (Mode or Layer 3) of the PS/2 protocol which isn't supported in many mainstream operating systems.
Yes, I have been struggling for years with my urge to keep using OpenVMS layout keyboards. The best solution I've found is to use old-style LK201/LK411 keyboards (with the RJ11-ish plug) via a physical adapter which powers the keyboard via a 12V psu and allows connection via an RS/232 cable to a linux PC. There is a kernel mode keyboard driver which can successfully scan the entire keyboard and allows for a certain level of customisation if you're prepared to re-compile kernel modules.
There is some brief info here on this particular solution: http://www.wickensonline.co.uk/vaxen/linuxLK.html
I've not done this in a while so as with all things Linux it'll be worth checking the support is still in there.
Talking of keyboards, there a number of standard PC layout DIGITAL keyboards listed on eBay UK with a PS/2 connector which are going for around 10 each. I'm using one now and although they are a standard membrane technology they have quite a nice feel.
Regards, Mark.
I forgot to clarify - I'm thinking about getting a old MAC keyboard which has loads of extra buttons that I'm sure the OS will pass through..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 17 Sep 2013, at 16:27, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
I think I can remap the keys to send pretty much any escape code in Terminal.app.
So as long as I have enough physical keys, I can 'emulate' an LK-style keyboar (Gold keys, PF1-4 etc).
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 17 Sep 2013, at 16:24, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
To do what? The OS won't support the keys and as a result a terminal from the host OS won't either. I am not 100% sure how SimH accesses the keyboard input and haven't tested a USB VMS keyboard with it. I fear the host OS won't map the keys forward?
FWIW my AB552A is USB with a PS/2 adapter.
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
My idea is to plug one of these into a Macbook Pro with a USB adapter, failing that, could I just get a 100+ key USB keyboard, do some tweaking and relabel the buttons?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 17 Sep 2013, at 06:29, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
Might be worth to get one if you can manage to find one (for a reasonable price).
HP's price is very high. Don't know if they still deliver them.
I've tried to use the PS2-style LK keyboards connected through a PS2 - USB dongle with my zx6000 with no luck.
Kari
On 17.9.2013 6:12, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Just saw this on HoffmanLabs,
intrigued by the AB552A model.
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/19
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
.
--
Mark Benson
I think I can remap the keys to send pretty much any escape code in Terminal.app.
So as long as I have enough physical keys, I can 'emulate' an LK-style keyboar (Gold keys, PF1-4 etc).
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 17 Sep 2013, at 16:24, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
To do what? The OS won't support the keys and as a result a terminal from the host OS won't either. I am not 100% sure how SimH accesses the keyboard input and haven't tested a USB VMS keyboard with it. I fear the host OS won't map the keys forward?
FWIW my AB552A is USB with a PS/2 adapter.
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
My idea is to plug one of these into a Macbook Pro with a USB adapter, failing that, could I just get a 100+ key USB keyboard, do some tweaking and relabel the buttons?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 17 Sep 2013, at 06:29, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
Might be worth to get one if you can manage to find one (for a reasonable price).
HP's price is very high. Don't know if they still deliver them.
I've tried to use the PS2-style LK keyboards connected through a PS2 - USB dongle with my zx6000 with no luck.
Kari
On 17.9.2013 6:12, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Just saw this on HoffmanLabs,
intrigued by the AB552A model.
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/19
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
.
--
Mark Benson
To do what? The OS won't support the keys and as a result a terminal from the host OS won't either. I am not 100% sure how SimH accesses the keyboard input and haven't tested a USB VMS keyboard with it. I fear the host OS won't map the keys forward?
FWIW my AB552A is USB with a PS/2 adapter.
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
My idea is to plug one of these into a Macbook Pro with a USB adapter, failing that, could I just get a 100+ key USB keyboard, do some tweaking and relabel the buttons?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 17 Sep 2013, at 06:29, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
Might be worth to get one if you can manage to find one (for a reasonable price).
HP's price is very high. Don't know if they still deliver them.
I've tried to use the PS2-style LK keyboards connected through a PS2 - USB dongle with my zx6000 with no luck.
Kari
On 17.9.2013 6:12, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Just saw this on HoffmanLabs,
intrigued by the AB552A model.
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/19
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
.
--
Mark Benson
My idea is to plug one of these into a Macbook Pro with a USB adapter, failing that, could I just get a 100+ key USB keyboard, do some tweaking and relabel the buttons?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 17 Sep 2013, at 06:29, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
Might be worth to get one if you can manage to find one (for a reasonable price).
HP's price is very high. Don't know if they still deliver them.
I've tried to use the PS2-style LK keyboards connected through a PS2 - USB dongle with my zx6000 with no luck.
Kari
On 17.9.2013 6:12, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Just saw this on HoffmanLabs, intrigued by the AB552A model.
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/19
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
.
Might be worth to get one if you can manage to find one (for a reasonable price).
HP's price is very high. Don't know if they still deliver them.
I've tried to use the PS2-style LK keyboards connected through a PS2 - USB dongle with my zx6000 with no luck.
Kari
On 17.9.2013 6:12, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Just saw this on HoffmanLabs, intrigued by the AB552A model.
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/19
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Just saw this on HoffmanLabs, intrigued by the AB552A model.
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/19
I've got this kit (keyboard and mouse) connected to my rx2600. It's nothing special. I found the keys to be very stiff and "clicky". I actually keep a stash of LK411 keyboards around as the action is much softer than any keyboard I've managed to find thus far. I even have one on my PA-RISC 712/100.
Regards, Tim.
Thanks Brian,
I am out of the UK on business until mid next week. So will sort the info you require then.
Many thanks, Mark
On 16/09/2013 20:10, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Mark,
Once you have a proper image on your 1800 you can do the following
things to get in on the auto tunnel config tool stuff.
on your router add these:
access-list 10 permit 37.59.44.141
snmp-server community <snmp-community-name> RW 10
Then I'll need the following information from you:
Your external IP Addres:
Your external FQDN:
Is this a dynamic IP:
The DECnet area at this location:
The source interface on your router:
The email address you want updates sent to:
The snmp community from the above directions:
-brian
