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by sampsa＠mac.com

I just realized I read a previous line of yours too quickly. I read "Both of the iTerm pass the preliminary VTTEST suites..." as "Both iTerm and Terminal.app pass...", which I couldn't get to fit with the fact that Terminal.app fail on DECCOLM. Oh well. My fault. Just ran VTTEST against the (admittedly old, the version has great code page support for PC / ANSI BBF 8-bit characters and other weird things I need occasionally) iTerm and it broke a lot more than Terminal.app.. Might install latest version of iTerm and run that as well. But as I said, I have not come across any show stopping bugs in my use of Terminal.app, so until I do, I'll probably stick with it. PS: iTerm couldn't display Arabic ligatures either :) PPS: Arabic is a pain in the ass frankly, to write - each letter has up to FOUR versions, depending on its position in the word (initial, medial, final, by itself) and depending on the letter, it can either connect to previous and next letter or JUST the previous, which means that the next letter has to use the INITIAL form even though it's in the middle of a word... It takes the average student about 5 weeks to figure this out. Don't get me started on the short vowel pointing system (long vowel are indicated by consonants (!) and you just have to know from context whether something is read as a YA or a long I sound), feminine nouns using Ta Marbuta (urgh) or Tanween (diacritics used to mark adverbs). It's an insane writing system all in all, but I love it for some reason..:)

12 years, 5 months

Non ASCII fonts on VMS?

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 28 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-09-28 11:45, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 28 Sep 2013, at 11:39, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote: On 2013-09-28 11:33, Sampsa Laine wrote: If I type the document locally and upload it via Kermit, it sort of works. Unfortunately it doesn't keep the ligatures which makes it more or less useless for Arabic :) How do you verify that it "works"? What does the document look like on the Mac? I mean, if you really look at all the bytes. What did you use to create it? The letters are all there, but they're not correctly connected (ligatures) - again, probably a Terminal.app problem, VMS is storing them just fine. That could be a question of fixed font width. Would they look ok if you types the same file in Terminal.app but running locally on the Mac? When 'cat'd on the Mac, it looks the same as it does on the VMS system. The text editor I used uses a fixed width font and draws the ligatures correctly (I suppose they make the horizontal base line shorter/longer as necessary). In this case, until I get Terminal (it's broken in iTerm too, BTW) to display the ligatures correctly, I won't even worry about using the files on VMS.* As for Hebrew, I know the alphabet but don't know more than a dozen words of the language. So technically possible I suppose but not very useful :) If I remember correctly, the is a DW MOTIF for HEBREW license in the hobbyist PAK, wonder what that did? Right to left writing? * Microsoft Word on Mac didn't unbreak the ligatures until about 2008. Never heard so much Arabic swearing as when somebody on a Mac gets sent an important but impossible to read document in MS DOC format :)

12 years, 5 months

Non ASCII fonts on VMS?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-09-29 12:40, Mark Wickens wrote: On 29/09/2013 11:32, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-09-29 00:08, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes: Doh! Just checked iterm2, and it also fails on DECCOLM... Both have their issues but then, so does xterm. I found so many issues with the Xorg issue of xterm that I'm now building it from source; not that that doesn't have issues too, it's just not as many. If you find any, I'm all ears. At the moment I'm not aware of any issues in xterm, but I have fixed bugs in it in the past. Johnny I did raise an obscure compilation issue with xterm on Digital Unix 3.2C, but to be fair, I did say that he should feel free to ignore me :) Compilation issues are also a completely different ballpark. :-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

12 years, 5 months

Fwd: DTSS (stuck?).

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Switch it off would be my reaction if there is no phase 5 server configured . Van: Mark Wickens Verzonden: zondag 29 september 2013 12:39 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] Fwd: DTSS (stuck?). Malcolm has asked a question about DTSS which I'm not familiar with - does anyone know the answer? Regards, Mark. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: DTSS (stuck?). Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:36:34 +0000 From: Malcolm Blunden <malcolm_blunden at hotmail.com> To: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> Hi Mark! Do you know anyone with experience of DTSS? On Bernd Ulmann's machine, FASOLT, DTSS$CLERK is stuck in LEF, apparently waiting for something that will never happen, and has come up like that through at least two consecutive reboots. I don't know whether he doesn't know how to fix it or hasn't noticed. I don't like to bother him because I know he is very busy, so I'd prefer to be able to offer some suggestions before raising the matter. My own experience, such as it is, is only that DTSS is a nice idea when it works but a real pain when it doesn't. If it isn't fixed before the last Sunday in October, it will cause a slight problem. Any ideas? Regards, Malcolm.

12 years, 5 months

Non ASCII fonts on VMS?

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 29/09/2013 11:32, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-09-29 00:08, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes: Doh! Just checked iterm2, and it also fails on DECCOLM... Both have their issues but then, so does xterm. I found so many issues with the Xorg issue of xterm that I'm now building it from source; not that that doesn't have issues too, it's just not as many. If you find any, I'm all ears. At the moment I'm not aware of any issues in xterm, but I have fixed bugs in it in the past. Johnny I did raise an obscure compilation issue with xterm on Digital Unix 3.2C, but to be fair, I did say that he should feel free to ignore me :) Mark. -- http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://hecnet.eu http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo

12 years, 5 months

Fwd: DTSS (stuck?).

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Malcolm has asked a question about DTSS which I'm not familiar with - does anyone know the answer? Regards, Mark. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: DTSS (stuck?). Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:36:34 +0000 From: Malcolm Blunden <malcolm_blunden at hotmail.com> To: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> Hi Mark! Do you know anyone with experience of DTSS? On Bernd Ulmann's machine, FASOLT, DTSS$CLERK is stuck in LEF, apparently waiting for something that will never happen, and has come up like that through at least two consecutive reboots. I don't know whether he doesn't know how to fix it or hasn't noticed. I don't like to bother him because I know he is very busy, so I'd prefer to be able to offer some suggestions before raising the matter. My own experience, such as it is, is only that DTSS is a nice idea when it works but a real pain when it doesn't. If it isn't fixed before the last Sunday in October, it will cause a slight problem. Any ideas? Regards, Malcolm.

12 years, 5 months

Non ASCII fonts on VMS?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-09-29 00:08, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes: Doh! Just checked iterm2, and it also fails on DECCOLM... Both have their issues but then, so does xterm. I found so many issues with the Xorg issue of xterm that I'm now building it from source; not that that doesn't have issues too, it's just not as many. If you find any, I'm all ears. At the moment I'm not aware of any issues in xterm, but I have fixed bugs in it in the past. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

12 years, 5 months

Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Rob, This is what I have: At the DEC Legacy side I have a Draytek router with a USB data stick plugged in the back. As there is no ADSL connection it fails over to the datastick. I have NAT setup in the router to forward 4711 traffic to a laptop running Johnny's bridge. The bridge is configured to link with my home static IP address bridge running off hecnet.eu. At the home side I have my Mikrotik configured to forward 4711 traffic to the HP microserver running Johnny's bridge. This is configured both with the standard link to psilo and with the dynamic IP address of the USB data stick. When I first get the stick up and running I ssh into the HP microserver, edit bridge.conf with the IP address of the USB datastick and restart the bridge on both ends. If the IP address changes during the day I repeat this process. IIRC at the last DEC Legacy it happened a few times, primarily when the mobile signal dropped off rather than anything that looked more systematic from the carrier's point of view. I'm trying to repeat this set up before this DEC Legacy at home. I've also done this in the past using the stick plugged into an ubuntu laptop and iptables, but I always find there are too many demons there (although I'm a lot more confident having gone through the pain with the Mikotik which uses the same mechanism). I got distracted yesterday when I accidently overwrote the SRM console of a PICMG industrial Alpha I was looking to get OpenVMS installed on with AlphaBIOS (the Windows NT boot firmware). Apparently on these machines you can only have one or other of SRM or AlphaBios but not both. I was then left with a machine that failed on boot till I changed the CR2302 battery. Then it would boot but wouldn't load the firmware update from CDROM (to get it back to SRM) because it said the ROM was protected. I wrote a floppy with the firmware update which would then boot to the SRM update console, but that was hanging at erase. I decided to call it a night after that! Regards, Mark. On 29/09/2013 09:00, Robert Jarratt wrote: I was going to have a go at this today, but thinking about it I am not sure this can work at DEC Legacy or even here at home because it would always be behind NAT. Can we make this work with NAT? What ports would you need? Nevertheless I have it configured with DECnet and I have entered the two SNMP commands below (I used the public community name, not sure if that is right because I know very little about SNMP). The information you wanted was: Your external IP Addres: 86.4.69.74 Your external FQDN: jarratt.dyndns.org Is this a dynamic IP: yes The DECnet area at this location: 5 The source interface on your router: Ethernet0 The email address you want updates sent to: rob at jarratt.me.uk (not sure if this is what you mean, this goes to my regular email address, are we talking about some email capability in the router?) The snmp community from the above directions: public I hope that is the information you need. Regards Rob From: Jarratt RMA [mailto:robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com] Sent: 24 September 2013 21:14 To: HECnet Subject: Re: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct I won't be home until the end of the week, I will try it this weekend. Regards Rob On 24 September 2013 21:03, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: Ok, 5 lines. :) first you need to enable DECnet routing: decnet routing X.Y (where X.Y is the DECnet address you want to give it) decnet node-type area Then you need to add this to the interface that talks to your DECnet LAN segment: decnet cost 10 Then you need to allow my config tool to talk to your router: access-list 10 permit 37.59.44.141 snmp-server community <community name> RW 10 Then you just need to get me all that info I asked for and we should be good. The machine running the config tool is down right now so I'm in no hurry. :) -brian On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:37:23PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote: > I have no idea how to set up GRE, but I believe the DECbrouter I have can > do it, does anyone have any pointers on how to set it up? I will also want > to add GRE to my user mode router when I get chance, but for DEC Legacy > using the brouter might be nice. Once I can get it (the brouter) working > let me know how to update your db with the IP address. Question though, > does the IP address change have to be made manually or could it be > automatic? > > Thanks > > Rob > > > On 22 September 2013 23:32, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: > > > If you want to use the GRE tunnels I can give you access to the db to > > update your IP. > > > > -brian > > > > On Sep 22, 2013, at 16:18, "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I don't have multinet and I have never installed it. What protocol does > > it > > > use under the covers, is it something proprietary to multinet? Could I > > get > > > the DECbrouter I bought recently to interoperate with your side? If it is > > > not too hard I could try implementing Multinet interop in my user mode > > > router. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On > > Behalf > > > Of Steve Davidson > > > Sent: 22 September 2013 11:43 > > > To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE > > > Subject: RE: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct > > > > > > > > > > > > If you decide to use Multinet and have access to a dynamic DNS name, > > then I > > > can link SG1:: to it via the SW at this end. It is completely automated. > > > If we can manage to install Multinet on GORVAX:: then the links would be > > > even faster. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Mark Wickens > > > Sent: Sat 9/21/2013 16:18 > > > To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE > > > Subject: Re: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct > > > > > > On 21/09/2013 21:12, Robert Jarratt wrote: > > > > > > I am hoping to connect to HECnet from the DEC Legacy event in October, > > > hopefully connecting a few interesting systems to HECnet and allowing > > > attendees to explore HECnet. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be using a USB 3G device to do this, so I wouldn't know my IP > > until > > > the day itself. Is there anyone with a bridge on HECnet who would be > > > available during UK daytime on those days to configure their bridge to > > peer > > > with me? There may be more than one change of IP address over the course > > of > > > the weekend though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any other options? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > Obviously I will have my home bridge going, so maybe we can keep this > > > in-house with a bit of experimentation? I think this is maybe what I did > > > last time, I really can't remember but it makes a lot of sense and it > > does > > > shake my memory a bit! > > > > > > Mark. > > > > > > <winmail.dat> > > -- http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://hecnet.eu http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo

12 years, 5 months

Alpha Server 1200 p/s schematics

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Dave, I was trained as a chemist but that is a long time ago (30 years). I've been led astray by a Burroughs mainframe and have earned my money in IT ever since with one exception: in 2012 I taught chemistry for 2 months. Oh boy, secondary school did change a lot in 40 years! -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Dave McGuire Verzonden: zondag, september 2013 1:43 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Alpha Server 1200 p/s schematics No problem. A chemist, eh? Very cool. I have the privilege of working with a chemist now; she and I are collaborating on a fluorometer project. Fun stuff. -Dave On 09/28/2013 04:45 PM, Hans Vlems wrote: Thanks Dave *Van: *Dave McGuire *Verzonden: *zaterdag 28 september 2013 21:23 *Aan: *hecnet at Update.UU.SE *Beantwoorden: *hecnet at Update.UU.SE *Onderwerp: *Re: [HECnet] Alpha Server 1200 p/s schematics It's a capacitor that is rated to be placed across (hence 'X') the AC line. They are usually applied in just that situation, and are basically for filtration. However, their secondary purpose is as a "sacrificial" component to protect the rest of the power supply in the event of a large differential glitch between the two AC lines. One must never place a "regular" (i.e., non-X-rated) capacitor in place of one, though. Capacitors designed for such duty are usually physically marked with an 'X'. -Dave On 09/28/2013 02:49 PM, Hans Vlems wrote: I'm just a chemist so help me: what is an X capacitor??? *Van: *Dave McGuire *Verzonden: *zaterdag 28 september 2013 14:56 *Aan: *hecnet at Update.UU.SE *Beantwoorden: *hecnet at Update.UU.SE *Onderwerp: *Re: [HECnet] Alpha Server 1200 p/s schematics On 09/28/2013 08:24 AM, Rok Vidmar wrote: I' m thinking of repairing the damaged unit but need schematics for that. In fact, you don't. Open it up, replace the electrolytes. Near them you may find a blown small element which is not needed really. The 'X' capacitor? Actually I'd not want to run a big power supply without that. They're usually not difficult to find, or to replace. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 5 months

Alpha Server 1200 p/s schematics

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

The Netherlands tends to follow German standards, so DIN and T V classifications are rather familiar to us. We do have KEMA standards though (Keuring Electrische Matarialen Arnhem). These guys are pretty thorough, they are often more demanding than what the Germans throw at electrical products. Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Clem Cole Verzonden: zondag, september 2013 2:14 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE CC: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Alpha Server 1200 p/s schematics a little more detail. the x means it uses Class X flame retardant dialectic -- in Germany for sure and probably most the eu, class X dialectic is required if you add filtering. any filter cap that goes between the mains and neutral had be made of class X (or class Y if my memory serves me) material or you can't getter German equiv of the us UL for the device [google this if you want to understand more]. that said, the other thing you will see across mains for safety is a semi-conductor called an MOV (metal oxides varister). it has two pins and looks like a cap often orange red or blue and very glossy material but I would not bet on the color. if the designers of the ps assumed an MOV i'd make sure you replace with that not a filter cap. On Sep 28, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Hans Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Thanks Dave Van: Dave McGuire Verzonden: zaterdag 28 september 2013 21:23 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Alpha Server 1200 p/s schematics It's a capacitor that is rated to be placed across (hence 'X') the AC line. They are usually applied in just that situation, and are basically for filtration. However, their secondary purpose is as a "sacrificial" component to protect the rest of the power supply in the event of a large differential glitch between the two AC lines. One must never place a "regular" (i.e., non-X-rated) capacitor in place of one, though. Capacitors designed for such duty are usually physically marked with an 'X'. -Dave On 09/28/2013 02:49 PM, Hans Vlems wrote: > I'm just a chemist so help me: what is an X capacitor??? > > *Van: *Dave McGuire > *Verzonden: *zaterdag 28 september 2013 14:56 > *Aan: *hecnet at Update.UU.SE > *Beantwoorden: *hecnet at Update.UU.SE > *Onderwerp: *Re: [HECnet] Alpha Server 1200 p/s schematics > > > On 09/28/2013 08:24 AM, Rok Vidmar wrote: >>> I' m thinking of repairing the damaged unit but need schematics for that. >> >> In fact, you don't. Open it up, replace the electrolytes. Near them you >> may find a blown small element which is not needed really. > > The 'X' capacitor? Actually I'd not want to run a big power supply without > that. They're usually not difficult to find, or to replace. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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