On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/03/2013 10:36 PM, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Nah. close... Louisville.
I used to have family in Louisville.
Unfortunately (or, fortunately if you are my wife) it's not "my" gear
unless I get authorization (gate pass). I have a few smaller vaxes
and pdp. If I get a chance I may take a walk around and see if
anything small is sitting around. I'm not sure AnY DEC hardware will
ship for less than a small fortune.
Truck rentals...if that 11/780 is still there, I will give it a good home.
I'd give it a good home too...if I had the space, electrical service, and electrical knowledge to appropriately test the power supply. Along with the EE skills to rig up a MASSBUS emulator. (NO WAY am I going to get a MASSBUS drive to not fall through the floor here...and I'm not moving something that heavy down stairs to the basement.)
-Dave
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On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/03/2013 10:35 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Yeah I may. I don't really have much o a place for it. A year or two
ago I was walking around through old datacenters on site and found
much of a buried 11/780. I wiped off the broken flourscent bulbs that
were laying on top of it, petted it in a joking amber (well, mostly
jokingly) and left the room. Not sure if it was scrapped or is still
there.
Yow.
Go check. I'll show up with a truck. (assuming you're in the USA)
Anyhow I did cart off a micro pdp 11/87 (?!?) that looked like it had
never been powered on (racked with about 20 others). Got a gate pass
for it but never brought it home hoping id soon be able to find a pdp
/ Vax implementation on FPGA soon and forgo the storage and power
(fire hazard?!?).
Fire hazard??
And I assume you mean 11/83. But that's a very small, relatively
low-power-consumption machine. Go grab it!
If it's low-power like a VS4000/60 grab me one too! You said you found
several! ;)
It's not quite THAT low power, but it's close. Probably less than
3x...i.e., nothing to worry about. Mine pulls something like 275W.
That's not bad at all. My V210s pulled more than 3x 60W or so.
-Dave
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/03/2013 10:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm not saying I hate linux for servers...I just hate RHEL and Red Hat
as a company. ;)
Oh ok. I'll back you on that point. (though they were nice enough to
give some very fine hardware a few years ago...)
How much junk mail do they send after giving the hardware? ;)
Huh? I didn't get any. But then I don't think they ever had my
address.
Ah. I get lots of junk mail and email from 'em after trying their
stupid Linux certification practise tests. They were not vender agnostic.
Gross. I hate junk mail. No, I went to their headquarters with a
truck and picked up some big iron. One of their guys has my email
address, but they never got my postal address. It's different now anyway.
Ahh. Yup. A lot different now.
I can agree with that. One just can't get much better than "apt-get".
I'd agree. While apt-get isn't my favourite of the package managers
(does it support delta package updates yet?) I willl certainly prefer it
to yum. (You should poke at alpine's APK if you like apt-get)
Nah...I'll learn it if I need to, but right now I don't. I have lots
of other stuff that I need to digest.
Ahh. It has a plan to work on embedded stuff. You might need it one day.
Hmm. I tend to program on bare metal, or with a lightweight RTOS (see
FreeRTOS, I've used that in a number of designs), I generally don't
embed Linux.
Yeah, Linux isn't exactly suited for embedded stuff in my opinion...too big personally. I do prefer RTOSes for that but when I need an "embedded" linux i'd have to choose alpine.
But that sort of package management in that environment sounds like a
nice idea.
It helps with running tiny OSes for say: Xen. (VMWare doesn't like SVM on my system...Xen is fine with it and it gives me more control...unless I retrofit my own userland in to vmware.)
-Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 10/03/2013 10:36 PM, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Nah. close... Louisville.
I used to have family in Louisville.
Unfortunately (or, fortunately if you are my wife) it's not "my" gear
unless I get authorization (gate pass). I have a few smaller vaxes
and pdp. If I get a chance I may take a walk around and see if
anything small is sitting around. I'm not sure AnY DEC hardware will
ship for less than a small fortune.
Truck rentals...if that 11/780 is still there, I will give it a good home.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/03/2013 10:35 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Yeah I may. I don't really have much o a place for it. A year or two
ago I was walking around through old datacenters on site and found
much of a buried 11/780. I wiped off the broken flourscent bulbs that
were laying on top of it, petted it in a joking amber (well, mostly
jokingly) and left the room. Not sure if it was scrapped or is still
there.
Yow.
Go check. I'll show up with a truck. (assuming you're in the USA)
Anyhow I did cart off a micro pdp 11/87 (?!?) that looked like it had
never been powered on (racked with about 20 others). Got a gate pass
for it but never brought it home hoping id soon be able to find a pdp
/ Vax implementation on FPGA soon and forgo the storage and power
(fire hazard?!?).
Fire hazard??
And I assume you mean 11/83. But that's a very small, relatively
low-power-consumption machine. Go grab it!
If it's low-power like a VS4000/60 grab me one too! You said you found
several! ;)
It's not quite THAT low power, but it's close. Probably less than
3x...i.e., nothing to worry about. Mine pulls something like 275W.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Nah. close... Louisville.
Unfortunately (or, fortunately if you are my wife) it's not "my" gear unless I get authorization (gate pass). I have a few smaller vaxes and pdp. If I get a chance I may take a walk around and see if anything small is sitting around. I'm not sure AnY DEC hardware will ship for less than a small fortune.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 22:30, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Yeah I may. I don't really have much o a place for it. A year or two ago I was walking around through old datacenters on site and found much of a buried 11/780. I wiped off the broken flourscent bulbs that were laying on top of it, petted it in a joking amber (well, mostly jokingly) and left the room. Not sure if it was scrapped or is still there.
Anyhow I did cart off a micro pdp 11/87 (?!?) that looked like it had never been powered on (racked with about 20 others). Got a gate pass for it but never brought it home hoping id soon be able to find a pdp / Vax implementation on FPGA soon and forgo the storage and power (fire hazard?!?).
I'm assuming you're not in Ohio else i'd be interested in some of your old gear. ;)
On Oct 3, 2013, at 22:12, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Grab the hardware!!
On 10/03/2013 10:00 PM, Joe Ferraro wrote:
We just turned off our last VAX this month. Was replaced with none other
than a Linux VM.
(We still have a few left, but none left at my plant).
On Oct 2, 2013, at 15:34, Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com
<mailto:tonyblews at gmail.com>> wrote:
Fantastic. I remember reading that a long long time ago, just when we
were phasing the VMS machines and terminals out in favour of Ultrix
DECstations and VAXstations.
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com
<mailto:sampsa at mac.com>> wrote:
This book is hilarious, and can be copied from CHIMPY::UGH.PDF
over HECnet.
sampsa
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 10/03/2013 10:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm not saying I hate linux for servers...I just hate RHEL and Red Hat
as a company. ;)
Oh ok. I'll back you on that point. (though they were nice enough to
give some very fine hardware a few years ago...)
How much junk mail do they send after giving the hardware? ;)
Huh? I didn't get any. But then I don't think they ever had my
address.
Ah. I get lots of junk mail and email from 'em after trying their
stupid Linux certification practise tests. They were not vender agnostic.
Gross. I hate junk mail. No, I went to their headquarters with a
truck and picked up some big iron. One of their guys has my email
address, but they never got my postal address. It's different now anyway.
I can agree with that. One just can't get much better than "apt-get".
I'd agree. While apt-get isn't my favourite of the package managers
(does it support delta package updates yet?) I willl certainly prefer it
to yum. (You should poke at alpine's APK if you like apt-get)
Nah...I'll learn it if I need to, but right now I don't. I have lots
of other stuff that I need to digest.
Ahh. It has a plan to work on embedded stuff. You might need it one day.
Hmm. I tend to program on bare metal, or with a lightweight RTOS (see
FreeRTOS, I've used that in a number of designs), I generally don't
embed Linux.
But that sort of package management in that environment sounds like a
nice idea.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/03/2013 10:25 PM, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Yeah I may. I don't really have much o a place for it. A year or two
ago I was walking around through old datacenters on site and found
much of a buried 11/780. I wiped off the broken flourscent bulbs that
were laying on top of it, petted it in a joking amber (well, mostly
jokingly) and left the room. Not sure if it was scrapped or is still
there.
Yow.
Go check. I'll show up with a truck. (assuming you're in the USA)
Anyhow I did cart off a micro pdp 11/87 (?!?) that looked like it had
never been powered on (racked with about 20 others). Got a gate pass
for it but never brought it home hoping id soon be able to find a pdp
/ Vax implementation on FPGA soon and forgo the storage and power
(fire hazard?!?).
Fire hazard??
And I assume you mean 11/83. But that's a very small, relatively
low-power-consumption machine. Go grab it!
If it's low-power like a VS4000/60 grab me one too! You said you found several! ;)
-Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Joe Ferraro wrote:
By the way, you guys will never guess what's running about 75 Percent
of the worlds' banking. And that almost includes hardware.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
NonStop?!?! Just figure its gotta be somewhere cause HP acts like it is.
To be fair, SuperDome hardware is...interesting.
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/03/2013 10:14 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm not saying I hate linux for servers...I just hate RHEL and Red Hat
as a company. ;)
Oh ok. I'll back you on that point. (though they were nice enough to
give some very fine hardware a few years ago...)
Remember, you go out of your way to break things...that sorta
disqualifies you from complaining that things are broken. ;)
True. YUM is an more just braindead than it is broken.
I can agree with that. One just can't get much better than "apt-get".
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/03/2013 10:20 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm not saying I hate linux for servers...I just hate RHEL and Red Hat
as a company. ;)
Oh ok. I'll back you on that point. (though they were nice enough to
give some very fine hardware a few years ago...)
How much junk mail do they send after giving the hardware? ;)
Huh? I didn't get any. But then I don't think they ever had my address.
Ah. I get lots of junk mail and email from 'em after trying their stupid Linux certification practise tests. They were not vender agnostic.
I can agree with that. One just can't get much better than "apt-get".
I'd agree. While apt-get isn't my favourite of the package managers
(does it support delta package updates yet?) I willl certainly prefer it
to yum. (You should poke at alpine's APK if you like apt-get)
Nah...I'll learn it if I need to, but right now I don't. I have lots
of other stuff that I need to digest.
Ahh. It has a plan to work on embedded stuff. You might need it one day.
-Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
