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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine
Sent: 05 October 2013 20:33
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECNET over serial ports?
On 5 Oct 2013, at 21:28, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-"
<system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Is it possible to send DECNET frames over regular RS232 serial ports?
DDCMP!
Thanks guys, might try this out on one of my MicroVAX 3400s at some point,
I've run out ethernet transceivers so I'll wire it into a VAXstation that
is
HECnet connected.
Would this work?
sampsa
The VAXstation will need to configured as a router, but that is very easy to
do.
Regards
Rob
On 10/05/2013 03:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being
monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency
of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Can they be replaced with anything sensible, i.e. could a qualified
electrician build a new one for not too much effort?
Electricians do not do this sort of work. They primarily pull cable
and run what amounts to plumbing and lots of physical construction.
What you're talking about is engineering.
It would likely be easier to repair the existing power supplies. Are
schematics around?
...or wire up an ATX supply.
....if it has the right voltages. Not everything is +12/+5.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 5 Oct 2013, at 21:28, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Is it possible to send DECNET frames over regular RS232 serial ports?
DDCMP!
Thanks guys, might try this out on one of my MicroVAX 3400s at some point, I've run out ethernet transceivers so I'll wire it into a VAXstation that is HECnet connected.
Would this work?
sampsa
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/05/2013 12:56 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being
monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency
of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Can they be replaced with anything sensible, i.e. could a qualified
electrician build a new one for not too much effort?
Electricians do not do this sort of work. They primarily pull cable
and run what amounts to plumbing and lots of physical construction.
What you're talking about is engineering.
It would likely be easier to repair the existing power supplies. Are
schematics around?
...or wire up an ATX supply.
-Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Is it possible to send DECNET frames over regular RS232 serial ports?
DDCMP!
See...
$ HELP SET TERMINAL /SWITCH
...for starters.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 10/05/2013 12:56 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being
monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency
of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Can they be replaced with anything sensible, i.e. could a qualified
electrician build a new one for not too much effort?
Electricians do not do this sort of work. They primarily pull cable
and run what amounts to plumbing and lots of physical construction.
What you're talking about is engineering.
It would likely be easier to repair the existing power supplies. Are
schematics around?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/05/2013 03:23 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Is it possible to send DECNET frames over regular RS232 serial ports?
Yes, DDCMP.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, G. wrote:
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 12:02:15 -0400, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm entering NCP from OPR to add node names. However it keeps telling me
"NCP is not running".
That usually happens when NML is not running either because was not started or
because has stopped. Given that you are using a DECnet-enabled monitor, your
SYSTAT should show something like this:
Well, r NML says "not an EXE file". This could be related.
| Status of T10 DECnet node DIECI at 19:30:29 on 05-Oct-113
|
| Uptime 3352:10:38, 5% Null time = 5% Idle + 0% Lost, 0% Overhead
| 15 Jobs in use out of 120. 15 logged in, 13 detached.
|
| Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time
|
| 1 [OPR] DET STOMPR 11+12 SL 0 01
| 2 [OPR] CTY OPR 69+40 HB 0
| 3 [OPR] 4 SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 0
| 7 [OPR] DET FILDAE 17 HB 0
| 8 [OPR] DET ACTDAE 66+40 SL 0
| 9 [OPR] DET DAEMON 11+SPY HB 0
| 10 [OPR] DET QUASAR 123+40 SL 0
| 11 [OPR] DET PULSAR 66+40 HB 0
| 12 [OPR] DET MIC 5+15 SL 0
| 13 [OPR] DET NML 38+135 HB 0 <--- HERE!
| 14 [OPR] DET MX 29+21 HB 0
| 15 [OPR] DET ORION 34+40 SL 0
| 16 [OPR] DET NEBULA 27+40 HB 0
| 17 [OPR] DET CATLOG 147+40 HB 0
| 18 [OPR] DET FAL-10 115+40 SL 0
| .
| .
| .
If NML is e.g. in TO state (Terminal Output) that means that it encoutered
some error and is waiting for someone to read it and do something...
NML gets automatically started by ORION, which in turn gets started by QUASAR,
which must be listed in SYS:SYSJOB.INI:
All that is being started...but I think NML.EXE is broken. ;)
| SET DEFAULT ACCOUNT SYSTEM
| LOG
| FILDAE
| LOG
| ACTDAE
| LOG
| DAEMON
| LOG ;GALAXY JOBS
| QUASAR <--- HERE!
| LOG
| MIC
| NODNAM ;Loads INI:NODNAM.INI then starts MX
HTH,
G.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 12:02:15 -0400, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm entering NCP from OPR to add node names. However it keeps telling me
"NCP is not running".
That usually happens when NML is not running either because was not started or
because has stopped. Given that you are using a DECnet-enabled monitor, your
SYSTAT should show something like this:
| Status of T10 DECnet node DIECI at 19:30:29 on 05-Oct-113
|
| Uptime 3352:10:38, 5% Null time = 5% Idle + 0% Lost, 0% Overhead
| 15 Jobs in use out of 120. 15 logged in, 13 detached.
|
| Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time
|
| 1 [OPR] DET STOMPR 11+12 SL 0 01
| 2 [OPR] CTY OPR 69+40 HB 0
| 3 [OPR] 4 SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 0
| 7 [OPR] DET FILDAE 17 HB 0
| 8 [OPR] DET ACTDAE 66+40 SL 0
| 9 [OPR] DET DAEMON 11+SPY HB 0
| 10 [OPR] DET QUASAR 123+40 SL 0
| 11 [OPR] DET PULSAR 66+40 HB 0
| 12 [OPR] DET MIC 5+15 SL 0
| 13 [OPR] DET NML 38+135 HB 0 <--- HERE!
| 14 [OPR] DET MX 29+21 HB 0
| 15 [OPR] DET ORION 34+40 SL 0
| 16 [OPR] DET NEBULA 27+40 HB 0
| 17 [OPR] DET CATLOG 147+40 HB 0
| 18 [OPR] DET FAL-10 115+40 SL 0
| .
| .
| .
If NML is e.g. in TO state (Terminal Output) that means that it encoutered
some error and is waiting for someone to read it and do something...
NML gets automatically started by ORION, which in turn gets started by QUASAR,
which must be listed in SYS:SYSJOB.INI:
| SET DEFAULT ACCOUNT SYSTEM
| LOG
| FILDAE
| LOG
| ACTDAE
| LOG
| DAEMON
| LOG ;GALAXY JOBS
| QUASAR <--- HERE!
| LOG
| MIC
| NODNAM ;Loads INI:NODNAM.INI then starts MX
HTH,
G.
