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[DECtec] [HECnet] Fwd: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Actually no. I do know of him, before this however. Incidentally Google who has e-mail is reliable. Sadly you won't see your messages unless you get a response but they don't follow that silly ideal that Yahoo is playing with. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:17 PM, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks Greg. I think that pretty much explains why I don't get back copies of my posts. Also why I haven't noticed it until now. Virtually all of the newsgroups/lists I subscribe to are Yahoo groups. HECnet, DECtec and a couple others are not. The Yahoo ones are ones I interact with most. Although I've gotten posts to appear on DECtec sporadically, HECnet has failed 100%. I'm also a member at CCTalk and CCTech and I recently had a post succeed there. Probably, like most things Yahoo, the DMARC policy doesn't work 100% of the time. Well, I was looking around for a new email host anyway that I can use with some of my owned domains. I guess this just forces me to speed the search. Are you any relation to the John R. Levine mentioned? John H. Reinhardt On 4/10/2014 6:46 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! See below. That was just sent to the H390-MVS list. John if you don't see that here say so. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <afg0510 at videotron.ca> Date: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM Subject: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists To: H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com FYO - on http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/09/2047205/yahoo-dmarc-implementation-… pdclarry writes: "On April 8, Yahoo implemented a new DMARC policy that essentially bars any Yahoo user from accessing mailing lists hosted anywhere except on Yahoo and Google. While Yahoo is the initiator, it also affects Comcast, AT&T, Rogers, SBCGlobal, and several other ISPs. Internet Engineering Council expert John R. Levine, a specialist in email infrastructure and spam filtering, said, 'Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's' on the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) list. DMARC (Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance) is a two-year-old proposed standard previously discussed on Slashdot that is intended to curb email abuse, including spoofing and phishing. Unfortunately, as implemented by Yahoo, it claims most mailing list users as collateral damage. Messages posted to mailing lists (including listserv, mailman, majordomo, etc) by Yahoo subscribers are blocked when the list forwards them to other Yahoo (and other participating ISPs) subscribers. List members not using Yahoo or its partners are not affected and will receive posts from Yahoo users. Posts from non-Yahoo users are delivered to Yahoo members. So essentially those suffering the most are Yahoo's (and Comcast's, and AT&T's, etc) own customers. The Hacker News has details about why DMARC has this effect on mailing lists. Their best proposed solution is to ban Yahoo email users from mailing lists and encourage them to switch to other ISPs. Unfortunately, it isn't just Yahoo, although they are getting the most attention." -- DECtec mailing list http://dectec.info To unsubscribe from this list see page at: http://dectec.info/mailman/listinfo/dectec_dectec.info -- DECtec mailing list http://dectec.info To unsubscribe from this list see page at: http://dectec.info/mailman/listinfo/dectec_dectec.info

11 years, 2 months

[DECtec] [HECnet] Fwd: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists

by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

Thanks Greg. I think that pretty much explains why I don't get back copies of my posts. Also why I haven't noticed it until now. Virtually all of the newsgroups/lists I subscribe to are Yahoo groups. HECnet, DECtec and a couple others are not. The Yahoo ones are ones I interact with most. Although I've gotten posts to appear on DECtec sporadically, HECnet has failed 100%. I'm also a member at CCTalk and CCTech and I recently had a post succeed there. Probably, like most things Yahoo, the DMARC policy doesn't work 100% of the time. Well, I was looking around for a new email host anyway that I can use with some of my owned domains. I guess this just forces me to speed the search. Are you any relation to the John R. Levine mentioned? John H. Reinhardt On 4/10/2014 6:46 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! See below. That was just sent to the H390-MVS list. John if you don't see that here say so. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <afg0510 at videotron.ca> Date: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM Subject: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists To: H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com FYO - on http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/09/2047205/yahoo-dmarc-implementation-… pdclarry writes: "On April 8, Yahoo implemented a new DMARC policy that essentially bars any Yahoo user from accessing mailing lists hosted anywhere except on Yahoo and Google. While Yahoo is the initiator, it also affects Comcast, AT&T, Rogers, SBCGlobal, and several other ISPs. Internet Engineering Council expert John R. Levine, a specialist in email infrastructure and spam filtering, said, 'Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's' on the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) list. DMARC (Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance) is a two-year-old proposed standard previously discussed on Slashdot that is intended to curb email abuse, including spoofing and phishing. Unfortunately, as implemented by Yahoo, it claims most mailing list users as collateral damage. Messages posted to mailing lists (including listserv, mailman, majordomo, etc) by Yahoo subscribers are blocked when the list forwards them to other Yahoo (and other participating ISPs) subscribers. List members not using Yahoo or its partners are not affected and will receive posts from Yahoo users. Posts from non-Yahoo users are delivered to Yahoo members. So essentially those suffering the most are Yahoo's (and Comcast's, and AT&T's, etc) own customers. The Hacker News has details about why DMARC has this effect on mailing lists. Their best proposed solution is to ban Yahoo email users from mailing lists and encourage them to switch to other ISPs. Unfortunately, it isn't just Yahoo, although they are getting the most attention." -- DECtec mailing list http://dectec.info To unsubscribe from this list see page at: http://dectec.info/mailman/listinfo/dectec_dectec.info

11 years, 2 months

Fwd: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! See below. That was just sent to the H390-MVS list. John if you don't see that here say so. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <afg0510 at videotron.ca> Date: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM Subject: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists To: H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com FYO - on http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/09/2047205/yahoo-dmarc-implementation-… pdclarry writes: "On April 8, Yahoo implemented a new DMARC policy that essentially bars any Yahoo user from accessing mailing lists hosted anywhere except on Yahoo and Google. While Yahoo is the initiator, it also affects Comcast, AT&T, Rogers, SBCGlobal, and several other ISPs. Internet Engineering Council expert John R. Levine, a specialist in email infrastructure and spam filtering, said, 'Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's' on the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) list. DMARC (Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance) is a two-year-old proposed standard previously discussed on Slashdot that is intended to curb email abuse, including spoofing and phishing. Unfortunately, as implemented by Yahoo, it claims most mailing list users as collateral damage. Messages posted to mailing lists (including listserv, mailman, majordomo, etc) by Yahoo subscribers are blocked when the list forwards them to other Yahoo (and other participating ISPs) subscribers. List members not using Yahoo or its partners are not affected and will receive posts from Yahoo users. Posts from non-Yahoo users are delivered to Yahoo members. So essentially those suffering the most are Yahoo's (and Comcast's, and AT&T's, etc) own customers. The Hacker News has details about why DMARC has this effect on mailing lists. Their best proposed solution is to ban Yahoo email users from mailing lists and encourage them to switch to other ISPs. Unfortunately, it isn't just Yahoo, although they are getting the most attention."

11 years, 2 months

Another test - sorry

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! I've been seeing them. On both places. However Google Mail because how list servers re-write headers insists that your e-mail can not be coming from where it says. I promptly move it from the Spam bucket back to the Inbox. I have that same problem with other lists and mail written by folks from certain banks. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:00 AM, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> wrote: On 4/8/2014 6:26 AM, Rok Vidmar wrote: Just seeing if this shows up for me. Some listservers do not echo messages to OP. The same is true for some UAs, GMail for instance. There is no better test for a computer than letting it run an operating system. There is no better test for a list than sending a relevant, widely interesting post :) -- Regards, Rok Ah, but they used to show up. It's just been in the last week that they have stopped (I'm guessing, I haven't had a need to post to either in a while until a few days ago). It's happening on both HECnet and DECtec mailing lists. Although on DECtec, if I reply to someone like I am now, it often does get echoed back to me. On HECnet, it does not. John H. Reinhardt

11 years, 2 months

[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by bob＠jfcl.com

Ah was that it. I thought the 50 denoted the 2-cpu version, the 00 the single cpu and that the 83xx was the faster version? of the 82xx I always had trouble with this too, but here's the scoop - VAX-8200 - 1x KA820 (T1001-00) CPU VAX-8250 - 1x KA825 (T1001-YA) CPU VAX-8300 - 2x KA820 CPU VAX-8350 - 2x KA825 CPU The model numbers corresponded to the CPU cards (e.g. KA820 -> 8200, KA825 -> 8250) ... The KA825 (T1001-YA) was simply a faster version (6.25MHz vs 5MHz) of the same KA820. Bob

11 years, 2 months

Another test - sorry

by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

On 4/8/2014 6:26 AM, Rok Vidmar wrote: Just seeing if this shows up for me. Some listservers do not echo messages to OP. The same is true for some UAs, GMail for instance. There is no better test for a computer than letting it run an operating system. There is no better test for a list than sending a relevant, widely interesting post :) -- Regards, Rok Ah, but they used to show up. It's just been in the last week that they have stopped (I'm guessing, I haven't had a need to post to either in a while until a few days ago). It's happening on both HECnet and DECtec mailing lists. Although on DECtec, if I reply to someone like I am now, it often does get echoed back to me. On HECnet, it does not. John H. Reinhardt

11 years, 2 months

Another test - sorry

by rok.vidmar＠gmail.com

Just seeing if this shows up for me. Some listservers do not echo messages to OP. The same is true for some UAs, GMail for instance. There is no better test for a computer than letting it run an operating system. There is no better test for a list than sending a relevant, widely interesting post :) -- Regards, Rok

11 years, 2 months

Another test - sorry

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Your other reply, like this got on both lists Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: John H. Reinhardt Verzonden: dinsdag 8 april 2014 09:05 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] Another test - sorry Just seeing if this shows up for me. So far nothing I've attempted to post to HECnet has gotten echoed back to me. I can't tell if it's getting to the list or not. John H. Reinhardt

11 years, 2 months

[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Ah was that it. I thought the 50 denoted the 2-cpu version, the 00 the single cpu and that the 83xx was the faster version of the 82xx Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: John H. Reinhardt Verzonden: dinsdag 8 april 2014 09:03 Aan: DEC discussion list.; hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but... On 4/8/2014 2:48 AM, Hans Vlems wrote: AFAIK just the cpu speed. IIRC the 8250 is rated at 1.2 VUPS and the 8350 at 1.4. But this is from memory which is known to have some issues :( On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 12:26:36AM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: On 04/07/2014 02:59 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote: Yup! I just got it running a few months ago. I'm hoping to turn it into an 8350 soon. I like that machine a lot. What differs the 8250 and 8350 ? I may have some BI boards (CPU and Memory if I recall correctly). If you need them I'm willing to trade them for something fun. /P Hans, That's the difference between the 8200/8300 and 8250/8350. The difference between the 82xx and 83xx is that the 83xx was a 2-cpu SMP system while the 82xx was a single cpu. The 8200/8300 was fairly short-lived before the 8250/8350 came out. John H. Reinhardt

11 years, 2 months

Another test - sorry

by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

Just seeing if this shows up for me. So far nothing I've attempted to post to HECnet has gotten echoed back to me. I can't tell if it's getting to the list or not. John H. Reinhardt

11 years, 2 months

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