On Fri, 2 May 2014, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On May 2, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm <Mark at infocomm.com> wrote:
On Friday, May 02, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
...If you want a RSTS system to connect to your Phase III machine, you ll want
to use a DMC (or DMR/DMP/DMV, they are all roughly interchangeable). In a
sufficiently recent SIMH, the DMC emulation speaks real DDCMP so it should
talk with a software DDCMP implementation, such as one that uses a DUP.
The DUP has only been tested talking to the KDP and DMC/DMR on RSX. If someone wants to try on RSTS I'd like to know if any issues are found.
I ll see what I can do. Since a DMC/DMR does DDCMP itself, it shouldn t matter what OS is talking to it; if you get success with DECnet/RSX, I would expect it to work with DECnet/E as well.
Or, since it doesn t know sync from async, it will probably talk to a software
DDCMP implementation that uses a terminal interface.
I believe that it should also talk to an OS based DDCMP implementation which uses Async ports. If someone is willing to test this, I'll work on any kinks which may be found which might inhibit this.
I m trying to make some progress on that (using RSTS V10.1).
Let me know. I'm interested in using RSTS/E to link TOPS-20/KS.
paul
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On May 2, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm <Mark at infocomm.com> wrote:
On Friday, May 02, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
...If you want a RSTS system to connect to your Phase III machine, you ll want
to use a DMC (or DMR/DMP/DMV, they are all roughly interchangeable). In a
sufficiently recent SIMH, the DMC emulation speaks real DDCMP so it should
talk with a software DDCMP implementation, such as one that uses a DUP.
The DUP has only been tested talking to the KDP and DMC/DMR on RSX. If someone wants to try on RSTS I'd like to know if any issues are found.
I ll see what I can do. Since a DMC/DMR does DDCMP itself, it shouldn t matter what OS is talking to it; if you get success with DECnet/RSX, I would expect it to work with DECnet/E as well.
Or, since it doesn t know sync from async, it will probably talk to a software
DDCMP implementation that uses a terminal interface.
I believe that it should also talk to an OS based DDCMP implementation which uses Async ports. If someone is willing to test this, I'll work on any kinks which may be found which might inhibit this.
I m trying to make some progress on that (using RSTS V10.1).
paul
On Friday, May 02, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
On May 1, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Looks like there's no DMC on the PDP-10, no DMC OR KDP on the
MicroVAX, and no KDP on the VAX780.
However, the PDP-11 has the DUP. Looks like I can use that as the go-
between.
Wonderinf if this is an RSTS/E bug...or a simh bug.
Device XK0: does not interrupt - device disabled.
Probably a SIMH limitation. It s complaining about the KMC11.
This is true.
RSTS supports those only for use with the RJ2780 emulator; it doesn t use them with
DECnet.
The message comes from the hardware scan code, where it looks around the
bus looking for devices and makes them interrupt to learn what vector each
uses. For the KMC11, it does that by loading a short program into it. That
only works if the KMC emulation knows how to emulate a KMC well enough
to run that program. If it emulates a KMC only as a KMC/DUP pair that
speaks DDCMP, this won t work.
The KMC emulation could be extended to support this command/program, but since the only implementation of KMC functionality is as a KDP and the KDP wasn't supported on the OS (RSTS) which is observing the lacking of interrupting, then the status quo is probably best.
If you want a RSTS system to connect to your Phase III machine, you ll want
to use a DMC (or DMR/DMP/DMV, they are all roughly interchangeable). In a
sufficiently recent SIMH, the DMC emulation speaks real DDCMP so it should
talk with a software DDCMP implementation, such as one that uses a DUP.
The DUP has only been tested talking to the KDP and DMC/DMR on RSX. If someone wants to try on RSTS I'd like to know if any issues are found.
Or, since it doesn t know sync from async, it will probably talk to a software
DDCMP implementation that uses a terminal interface.
I believe that it should also talk to an OS based DDCMP implementation which uses Async ports. If someone is willing to test this, I'll work on any kinks which may be found which might inhibit this.
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On May 2, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Robert Jarratt wrote:
Are you talking about the user mode router? If so, that would be me. You can find it at http://route20.codeplex.com/ I have been doing most of the more recent development on Windows, and have not ported it to linux yet, but could do so if you are interested.
Regards
Rob
Apparently there are 2 user-mode routers.
Robert s is the first one I know of; inspired by that I started one in Python. Mine is still rather prototypical.
paul
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Robert Jarratt wrote:
Are you talking about the user mode router? If so, that would be me. You can find it at http://route20.codeplex.com/ I have been doing most of the more recent development on Windows, and have not ported it to linux yet, but could do so if you are interested.
Regards
Rob
Apparently there are 2 user-mode routers.
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Are you talking about the user mode router? If so, that would be me. You can find it at http://route20.codeplex.com/ I have been doing most of the more recent development on Windows, and have not ported it to linux yet, but could do so if you are interested.
Regards
Rob
From: Mark Benson
Sent: 02/ 05/ 2014 14:26
To: HECnet
Subject: [HECnet] Getting reconnected...
Hi,
Now I'm back, I need to get reconnected to HECnet and get some routing sorted out. Multinet never worked, and I lost my fixed IP so I can't use the bridge. Is anyone able to offer some kind of IP tunnel, maybe VPN or something?
Also there was someone who was developing a Linux-based DECnet router, is that still going/viable?
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Looks like there's no DMC on the PDP-10, no DMC OR KDP on the MicroVAX,
and no KDP on the VAX780.
However, the PDP-11 has the DUP. Looks like I can use that as the
go-between.
MRC with the help of Stu Grosman did a phase 4 port to KS tops20. It
uses teh KMC/DUP, but has a limitation, as there was not enough memory
left, all buffers had to be in one page, the decnet MTU is not 576 but
376 or something like that. This does not matter unless you have two
interfaces and try to be a transit node. (it can be routein-iv).
It speaks DDCMP on the CYNC interface, so anything that speaks DDCMP
can talk to it, DUP,DQ, DMC DMR ...
-P
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On May 1, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Looks like there's no DMC on the PDP-10, no DMC OR KDP on the MicroVAX, and no KDP on the VAX780.
However, the PDP-11 has the DUP. Looks like I can use that as the go-between.
Wonderinf if this is an RSTS/E bug...or a simh bug.
Device XK0: does not interrupt - device disabled.
Probably a SIMH limitation. It s complaining about the KMC11. RSTS supports those only for use with the RJ2780 emulator; it doesn t use them with DECnet.
The message comes from the hardware scan code, where it looks around the bus looking for devices and makes them interrupt to learn what vector each uses. For the KMC11, it does that by loading a short program into it. That only works if the KMC emulation knows how to emulate a KMC well enough to run that program. If it emulates a KMC only as a KMC/DUP pair that speaks DDCMP, this won t work.
Ahhhh.
If you want a RSTS system to connect to your Phase III machine, you ll want to use a DMC (or DMR/DMP/DMV, they are all roughly interchangeable). In a sufficiently recent SIMH, the DMC emulation speaks real DDCMP so it should talk with a software DDCMP implementation, such as one that uses a DUP. Or, since it doesn t know sync from async, it will probably talk to a software DDCMP implementation that uses a terminal interface.
That I can do. Once I figure out the TOPS-20 DECnet configuration. ;)
paul
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BTW, this message went to the SIMH list as well since Cory s message was addressed to it, but it bounced ( not allowed to post to this list ). If it s useful for that list, please forward it.
paul
On May 2, 2014, at 10:36 AM, <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> wrote:
On May 1, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Looks like there's no DMC on the PDP-10, no DMC OR KDP on the MicroVAX, and no KDP on the VAX780.
However, the PDP-11 has the DUP. Looks like I can use that as the go-between.
Wonderinf if this is an RSTS/E bug...or a simh bug.
Device XK0: does not interrupt - device disabled.
Probably a SIMH limitation. It s complaining about the KMC11. RSTS supports those only for use with the RJ2780 emulator; it doesn t use them with DECnet.
The message comes from the hardware scan code, where it looks around the bus looking for devices and makes them interrupt to learn what vector each uses. For the KMC11, it does that by loading a short program into it. That only works if the KMC emulation knows how to emulate a KMC well enough to run that program. If it emulates a KMC only as a KMC/DUP pair that speaks DDCMP, this won t work.
If you want a RSTS system to connect to your Phase III machine, you ll want to use a DMC (or DMR/DMP/DMV, they are all roughly interchangeable). In a sufficiently recent SIMH, the DMC emulation speaks real DDCMP so it should talk with a software DDCMP implementation, such as one that uses a DUP. Or, since it doesn t know sync from async, it will probably talk to a software DDCMP implementation that uses a terminal interface.
paul
On May 2, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
On 2 May 2014, at 14:33, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Cory already covered ipv6 and cisco.
I've been thinking about setting Paul's python DECnet router up. I'll do that next week. I think it can do tunnel like things. Paul?
Can anyone direct me to this mystical Python creation? :)
svn://akdesign.dyndns.org/pydecnet/trunk/pydecnet
It needs Python 3. It also needs the Python 3 port of the daemon module, which you can find at svn://akdesign.dyndns.org/pydecnet/trunk/daemon. (I haven t heard from the owner of the daemon module, or I would have sent him the changes.)
Enjoy. There s some documentation there, and some sample config files. Please send questions, bug reports, and the like my way.
paul
