On Wednesday, January 07, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-01-08 01:32, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I think I could get one up and running on GORVAX pretty quickly - what
exactly are you looking for with regard to inspiration?
Right now I've implemented the LIST command, but the directory output
format is sortof hackish. I'm thinking that maybe VMS have some nice format
that I can copy. There might be other tings I can get inspiration from
eventually as well, but LIST is the immediate interest.
The MultiNet FTP Server moves files between similarly capable FTP Clients and keeps the File Attributes consistent while copying data (i.e. You can simply ftp RMS Indexed files between VMS systems and the results will be immediately usable).
- Mark
On 2015-01-08 01:32, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Had one on RHESUS for ages but RHESUS is currently down for the foreseeable future.
Tried finding rhesus. Also tried HILANT without luck. :-)
I think I could get one up and running on GORVAX pretty quickly - what exactly are you looking for with regard to inspiration?
Right now I've implemented the LIST command, but the directory output format is sortof hackish. I'm thinking that maybe VMS have some nice format that I can copy. There might be other tings I can get inspiration from eventually as well, but LIST is the immediate interest.
If you could do it in a snap, that would be nice.
Johnny
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On 2015-01-08 01:31, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Do anyone have a VMS FTP server up and running on the internet? I'm
working on a FTP server for RSX, and figured I'd get some inspiration
from VMS for some details...
I can foward a port readily.
I also have 4.3BSD's one up 24x7.
Unix is not that meaningful, and besides, I have plenty to test against. VMS is much closer to RSX, and as such, can provide some more interesting ideas.
Johnny
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Had one on RHESUS for ages but RHESUS is currently down for the foreseeable future.
I think I could get one up and running on GORVAX pretty quickly - what exactly are you looking for with regard to inspiration?
sampsa
On 8 Jan 2015, at 02:29, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Do anyone have a VMS FTP server up and running on the internet? I'm working on a FTP server for RSX, and figured I'd get some inspiration from VMS for some details...
So I need to look at one. :-)
Johnny
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Do anyone have a VMS FTP server up and running on the internet? I'm working on a FTP server for RSX, and figured I'd get some inspiration from VMS for some details...
I can foward a port readily.
I also have 4.3BSD's one up 24x7.
So I need to look at one. :-)
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Do anyone have a VMS FTP server up and running on the internet? I'm working on a FTP server for RSX, and figured I'd get some inspiration from VMS for some details...
So I need to look at one. :-)
Johnny
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Absolutely Paul :-)
If I had any previous experience with that kind of coding I would at least gave a look. Seriously, it's not a one man job, right?
Anyway , it was a nice idea..
So if there's a spare decbrouter 90 around I'm willing to try that.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Hecnet Peering/Python
On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:02 AM, Hans Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Paul,
the latest supported VMS versions for Python are 2.7.8 for Alpha and 2.7.9
for Itanium.
Which kind of kills the experiment, right? :(
Hans
Pretty much. It would be possible to port the code back to that version, but it would be a fair amount of work and not something I d be interested in. I prefer Python 3 for new projects for a number of reasons; some of those affect pydecnet significantly.
I suppose you could see what s involved in building Python 3.3 on VMS? :-)
paul
On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:02 AM, Hans Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Paul,
the latest supported VMS versions for Python are 2.7.8 for Alpha and 2.7.9
for Itanium.
Which kind of kills the experiment, right? :(
Hans
Pretty much. It would be possible to port the code back to that version, but it would be a fair amount of work and not something I d be interested in. I prefer Python 3 for new projects for a number of reasons; some of those affect pydecnet significantly.
I suppose you could see what s involved in building Python 3.3 on VMS? :-)
paul
Paul,
the latest supported VMS versions for Python are 2.7.8 for Alpha and 2.7.9
for Itanium.
Which kind of kills the experiment, right? :(
Hans
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On Jan 2, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Hans Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
It would be nice to move the connection off a Linux box to a VMS system.
There is a libpcap version for VMS, it's used by simh.
The problem is Python. AFAIK that i s just v2.7 for VMS. I know my systems
run that kit, but I don't use it much so a newer version may be available.
Hans
The Python 3.3 what s new document says that VMS is no longer supported
due to lack of a maintainer . So it may be possible to build Python 3.2 on
VMS. The current DECnet/Python code wants 3.3, but earlier on I used 3.2
and there isn t much that needs 3.3. (In other words, it would not be all
that hard to change it back to allow 3.2.)
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On 01/02/2015 09:17 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
One can tunnel most anything over GRE, even raw Ethernet
frames,
regardless of the higher-level protocols. Hence the 'G' for
"Generic".
Yes. But you need some ingress and egress that makes use of it. Or
else
we could just as well argue that UDP can tunnel anything.
...which it can. ;) On a Cisco, assigning a DECnet cost to an
interface (and a GRE endpoint is a pseudo-interface on a Cisco) forms
that ingress/egress.
(I know YOU know this; I'm saying it for the benefit of those
here who
are just learning about this)
Actually, I don't know the details, even though I pretty much know how
it *could* be done. I've pretty much never actually worked on a Cisco
box. :-)
However, DECnet costs cannot possibly be related, as we're now not
talking about DECnet protocols. (LAT and MOP are not using DECnet...)
You need to somehow tell the Cisco box to grab all ethernet packets
with
a certain protocol number, and pass those on over the tunnel, and have
the other end do the reverse.
Assigning a DECnet cost to a tunnel endpoint pseudo-interface
causes
it to pay attention to DECnet packets.
Which is not LAT and MOP. Which is what I've written multiple times now.
:-)
Right. I didn't say it was.
Seemed to me you implied it. Oh well. Me and english... :-)
Oh, nono...I'm sorry if it seemed that way.
DECnet packets are routed by the Cisco router. MOP and LAT are not
protocols running on top of DECnet, but are their own protocols directly
on ethernet. Which is also why they in essence are "local only", as they
cannot be routed.
...but they can be bridged, which you can ALSO do with a GRE tunnel.
The very same GRE tunnel as is handling DECnet, in fact.
Yes. And this is where it comes to me not knowing Ciscos. I know how you
do it in general if we talk networking. And this is just what my bridge
does, except it don't use GRE, but is more simple and stupid. :-)
I wouldn't say that; I think it's just that GRE is more standardized,
and typically ends in a router, which gives it more powerful
capabilities...but not by virtue of it being GRE.
But I assume there must be a way to tell a Cisco to bridge an arbitrary
ethernet protocol, using GRE as the tunneling protocol.
Yes there is. You can also bridge ALL packets on a network to a
different network, regardless of protocol.
I remember looking at the GRE interface under NetBSD many years ago when
I wanted to setup HECnet, but the documentation confused me in the
details, and I just wanted something really simple, so I wrote my own
bridge instead. It was a dirty hack on a dark night. It does (more or
less) do what I needed, but it's really just a quick hack.
Yes. Computer operating system-based implementations tend to be a bit
ridiculous. In a router it's more natural. I'm sure being written by
"router people" has a big positive influence on its implementation as
well, as opposed to being written by "operating system people".
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