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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by Paul_Koning＠dell.com

Excerpt of message (sent 18 September 2009) by Kari Uusim ki: Andrew, have you tried other ST506 disks than RD53 or RD54? IIRC none of the RD disks were DEC built disks, but relabeled ones from other vendors. That's true, but I think at least in some cases (and, perhaps, on some systems, like a Pro) they required non-standard jumper configurations. Also possibly low level formatting, which might require tools that aren't easily available. paul

15 years, 2 months

Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

Andrew Back wrote: On (12:17 18/09/09), Kari Uusim?ki wrote: Very good point! I agree. Unfortunately I have the same situation as G?ran and my hardware is waiting for a glorious future. But the winter is coming and (running) computers provide heat. ;-) I too have hardware in waiting - a growing collection. And if anybody is able to help I have: - A VAXstation 2000 in need of an RD53/54 and a KVM cable (mono) - A VAXstation II/GPX missing the GPX board, TK50, RD53/54 and Ethernet - A PDP11/53 missing RD53/54 and Ethernet A lot of wants, I know (and worse still RDs!) :o/ Cheers, Andrew Andrew, have you tried other ST506 disks than RD53 or RD54? IIRC none of the RD disks were DEC built disks, but relabeled ones from other vendors. I found earlier many ST506 disks for sale on Ebay. Unfortunately my VS2000 has a problem with the motherboard and I cannot test the disks I have right now. TK50's shouldn't either be very difficult to find. A DELQA should also be easily found. Have you tried Ebay? Regards, Kari

15 years, 2 months

Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

Ok, I'll start looking to pull that together. It'll be a couple weeks till I can get the new machine into colo (I'm not installing anything new on the old colo box since it's a complete POS). I'll let you all know when it's ready. -brian On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 02:24:06PM +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: That would work quite well, let me know when it's up. Sampsa On 18 Sep 2009, at 14:12, Brian Hechinger wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:07:21AM +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the bandwidth load is at least shared. Does anyone have any objection to a private bittorrent tracker? It would help with the centralized management/searching/etc and if more than one person has space to keep stuff it helps everyone overall with download speeds. Just a thought. :) -brian -- "Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435) -- "Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)

15 years, 2 months

Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by andy＠smokebelch.org

On (12:17 18/09/09), Kari Uusim?ki wrote: Very good point! I agree. Unfortunately I have the same situation as G?ran and my hardware is waiting for a glorious future. But the winter is coming and (running) computers provide heat. ;-) I too have hardware in waiting - a growing collection. And if anybody is able to help I have: - A VAXstation 2000 in need of an RD53/54 and a KVM cable (mono) - A VAXstation II/GPX missing the GPX board, TK50, RD53/54 and Ethernet - A PDP11/53 missing RD53/54 and Ethernet A lot of wants, I know (and worse still RDs!) :o/ Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Back a at smokebelch.org

15 years, 2 months

Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by sampsa＠mac.com

That would work quite well, let me know when it's up. Sampsa On 18 Sep 2009, at 14:12, Brian Hechinger wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:07:21AM +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the bandwidth load is at least shared. Does anyone have any objection to a private bittorrent tracker? It would help with the centralized management/searching/etc and if more than one person has space to keep stuff it helps everyone overall with download speeds. Just a thought. :) -brian -- "Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)

15 years, 2 months

Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:07:21AM +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the bandwidth load is at least shared. Does anyone have any objection to a private bittorrent tracker? It would help with the centralized management/searching/etc and if more than one person has space to keep stuff it helps everyone overall with download speeds. Just a thought. :) -brian -- "Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)

15 years, 2 months

Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

It is not very complicated using DECnet. In fact we had a similar software distribution setup at DEC Finland. DECnet is very flexible. :) Kari Sampsa Laine wrote: That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the bandwidth load is at least shared. Sampsa On 18 Sep 2009, at 09:56, G ran hling wrote: A great idea indeed, but my thoughts start flying immediately... Wouldn't it be smart to think of some "distributed storage"-set-up, so that several of us could contribute some content and some storage space, that all shuold appear to be one "heritage" of software when in comes to viewing/searching? I realize that implementing this would require some more design than it does to just put "some files" on one server with a shared volume, but it would also give a much more flexible system that doesn't risk to outgrow some kind one's budget (disk-space, storage-space, power, heat, internet line, ...). One further advantage is that if I'd store a library of that obscure system/version/... that I'm operating, deeply admiring, and happily sharing, I'd be most likely to keep my personal files up to date, but the copy I sent for someone else to publish last summer, well, I even might forget I ever sent it, so that copy will most likely not get properly updated.... Just my humble thoughts, would you say this could be implemented "decently simple"? /G ran PS:I'd happily contribute myself, even though I haven't yet had the time to bring any proper system on-line into the HECnet. I've got some decent HW standing, waiting, in the basement of a house I'm about to move to, whenever renovation comes a bit further and I get some network connected there... Living and working goes before my Hobbyist DECnet, even though I work with DECnet on PDP-11's! Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I thought it might be useful to set up a library of VMS media kits (and maybe RSX / RSTS etc as well) - basically images of VMS install CDs, layered products etc, all in one convenient location. I'm willing to donate some space on RHESUS for this use, say 100 GB? I've got a copy of the VAX and Alpha software product libraries lying around as well as a couple of versions of VMS for Alpha and VAX as well as IA64 - any contributions would be welcome of course. Anyone else interested in this? Sampsa .

15 years, 2 months

Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

Very good point! I agree. Unfortunately I have the same situation as G ran and my hardware is waiting for a glorious future. But the winter is coming and (running) computers provide heat. ;-) Kari G ran hling wrote: A great idea indeed, but my thoughts start flying immediately... Wouldn't it be smart to think of some "distributed storage"-set-up, so that several of us could contribute some content and some storage space, that all shuold appear to be one "heritage" of software when in comes to viewing/searching? I realize that implementing this would require some more design than it does to just put "some files" on one server with a shared volume, but it would also give a much more flexible system that doesn't risk to outgrow some kind one's budget (disk-space, storage-space, power, heat, internet line, ...). One further advantage is that if I'd store a library of that obscure system/version/... that I'm operating, deeply admiring, and happily sharing, I'd be most likely to keep my personal files up to date, but the copy I sent for someone else to publish last summer, well, I even might forget I ever sent it, so that copy will most likely not get properly updated.... Just my humble thoughts, would you say this could be implemented "decently simple"? /G ran PS:I'd happily contribute myself, even though I haven't yet had the time to bring any proper system on-line into the HECnet. I've got some decent HW standing, waiting, in the basement of a house I'm about to move to, whenever renovation comes a bit further and I get some network connected there... Living and working goes before my Hobbyist DECnet, even though I work with DECnet on PDP-11's! Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I thought it might be useful to set up a library of VMS media kits (and maybe RSX / RSTS etc as well) - basically images of VMS install CDs, layered products etc, all in one convenient location. I'm willing to donate some space on RHESUS for this use, say 100 GB? I've got a copy of the VAX and Alpha software product libraries lying around as well as a couple of versions of VMS for Alpha and VAX as well as IA64 - any contributions would be welcome of course. Anyone else interested in this? Sampsa .

15 years, 2 months

Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by sampsa＠mac.com

That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the bandwidth load is at least shared. Sampsa On 18 Sep 2009, at 09:56, G ran hling wrote: A great idea indeed, but my thoughts start flying immediately... Wouldn't it be smart to think of some "distributed storage"-set-up, so that several of us could contribute some content and some storage space, that all shuold appear to be one "heritage" of software when in comes to viewing/searching? I realize that implementing this would require some more design than it does to just put "some files" on one server with a shared volume, but it would also give a much more flexible system that doesn't risk to outgrow some kind one's budget (disk-space, storage-space, power, heat, internet line, ...). One further advantage is that if I'd store a library of that obscure system/version/... that I'm operating, deeply admiring, and happily sharing, I'd be most likely to keep my personal files up to date, but the copy I sent for someone else to publish last summer, well, I even might forget I ever sent it, so that copy will most likely not get properly updated.... Just my humble thoughts, would you say this could be implemented "decently simple"? /G ran PS:I'd happily contribute myself, even though I haven't yet had the time to bring any proper system on-line into the HECnet. I've got some decent HW standing, waiting, in the basement of a house I'm about to move to, whenever renovation comes a bit further and I get some network connected there... Living and working goes before my Hobbyist DECnet, even though I work with DECnet on PDP-11's! Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I thought it might be useful to set up a library of VMS media kits (and maybe RSX / RSTS etc as well) - basically images of VMS install CDs, layered products etc, all in one convenient location. I'm willing to donate some space on RHESUS for this use, say 100 GB? I've got a copy of the VAX and Alpha software product libraries lying around as well as a couple of versions of VMS for Alpha and VAX as well as IA64 - any contributions would be welcome of course. Anyone else interested in this? Sampsa

15 years, 2 months

Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by ahling＠eadc.se

A great idea indeed, but my thoughts start flying immediately... Wouldn't it be smart to think of some "distributed storage"-set-up, so that several of us could contribute some content and some storage space, that all shuold appear to be one "heritage" of software when in comes to viewing/searching? I realize that implementing this would require some more design than it does to just put "some files" on one server with a shared volume, but it would also give a much more flexible system that doesn't risk to outgrow some kind one's budget (disk-space, storage-space, power, heat, internet line, ...). One further advantage is that if I'd store a library of that obscure system/version/... that I'm operating, deeply admiring, and happily sharing, I'd be most likely to keep my personal files up to date, but the copy I sent for someone else to publish last summer, well, I even might forget I ever sent it, so that copy will most likely not get properly updated.... Just my humble thoughts, would you say this could be implemented "decently simple"? /G ran PS:I'd happily contribute myself, even though I haven't yet had the time to bring any proper system on-line into the HECnet. I've got some decent HW standing, waiting, in the basement of a house I'm about to move to, whenever renovation comes a bit further and I get some network connected there... Living and working goes before my Hobbyist DECnet, even though I work with DECnet on PDP-11's! Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I thought it might be useful to set up a library of VMS media kits (and maybe RSX / RSTS etc as well) - basically images of VMS install CDs, layered products etc, all in one convenient location. I'm willing to donate some space on RHESUS for this use, say 100 GB? I've got a copy of the VAX and Alpha software product libraries lying around as well as a couple of versions of VMS for Alpha and VAX as well as IA64 - any contributions would be welcome of course. Anyone else interested in this? Sampsa

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