On Sun, 22 Nov 2009, Steve Davidson wrote:
Which model are you using? I may have one here to check.
NEC Multispin 4X model CDR-601 (it's external).
Re: number of drives in the 90A. There's just one at the moment, but I have a BA3xx shelf that I've been sacrificing drives out of. It's just a screwdriver away to get more (it was fully populated).
Re #2: login to MISER. If the above two ideas fail, I'll whip together an account for you to look around.
Fred
If you wish I could login to you alpha and take a look around. I can
either set host or come in via LAT.
-Steve
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 21:37
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: RE: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver?
On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 21:18 -0500, Steve Davidson wrote:
Did you by chance enable broadcasts to your system console on the
Alpha
so that you could monitor the actual requests that the Alpha
will/should
(hopefully) see? This might give a clue to what is missing/wrong...
(resent because I think I'm subscribed to the mailing list with a couple
variants of misernet.net ....)
Hi Steve,
Yes I did. In fact I see the "load request" start and succeed when it
grabs the ISL_SVAX_073 file - but other than that, there are no other
broadcasts while logged in as SYSTEM with reply/enable set.
I have found a site with jumper settings for this NEC drive, but I don't
see a reference to sector size. I think I'm going to modify the
"factory reserved" jumpers one at a time, thinking perhaps one of those
is it.
Fred
Fred,
How many disk drives do you have in the 90A? I may have another idea -
a variation on a theme as it were...
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 21:37
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: RE: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver?
On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 21:18 -0500, Steve Davidson wrote:
Did you by chance enable broadcasts to your system console on the
Alpha
so that you could monitor the actual requests that the Alpha
will/should
(hopefully) see? This might give a clue to what is missing/wrong...
(resent because I think I'm subscribed to the mailing list with a couple
variants of misernet.net ....)
Hi Steve,
Yes I did. In fact I see the "load request" start and succeed when it
grabs the ISL_SVAX_073 file - but other than that, there are no other
broadcasts while logged in as SYSTEM with reply/enable set.
I have found a site with jumper settings for this NEC drive, but I don't
see a reference to sector size. I think I'm going to modify the
"factory reserved" jumpers one at a time, thinking perhaps one of those
is it.
Fred
Fred,
Which model are you using? I may have one here to check.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 21:37
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: RE: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver?
On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 21:18 -0500, Steve Davidson wrote:
Did you by chance enable broadcasts to your system console on the
Alpha
so that you could monitor the actual requests that the Alpha
will/should
(hopefully) see? This might give a clue to what is missing/wrong...
(resent because I think I'm subscribed to the mailing list with a couple
variants of misernet.net ....)
Hi Steve,
Yes I did. In fact I see the "load request" start and succeed when it
grabs the ISL_SVAX_073 file - but other than that, there are no other
broadcasts while logged in as SYSTEM with reply/enable set.
I have found a site with jumper settings for this NEC drive, but I don't
see a reference to sector size. I think I'm going to modify the
"factory reserved" jumpers one at a time, thinking perhaps one of those
is it.
Fred
On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 21:18 -0500, Steve Davidson wrote:
Did you by chance enable broadcasts to your system console on the Alpha
so that you could monitor the actual requests that the Alpha will/should
(hopefully) see? This might give a clue to what is missing/wrong...
(resent because I think I'm subscribed to the mailing list with a couple variants of misernet.net ....)
Hi Steve,
Yes I did. In fact I see the "load request" start and succeed when it
grabs the ISL_SVAX_073 file - but other than that, there are no other
broadcasts while logged in as SYSTEM with reply/enable set.
I have found a site with jumper settings for this NEC drive, but I don't
see a reference to sector size. I think I'm going to modify the
"factory reserved" jumpers one at a time, thinking perhaps one of those
is it.
Fred
I have two of the 6-stack units (624x). They work GREAT! Some of the
VAXen see all 6 drives, some do not.
The VAXcluster boot member for the STARS2 cluster has one on it right
now (serverd to the whole cluster).
-Steve
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Zane H. Healy
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 20:28
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver?
At 9:11 PM -0500 11/22/09, Steve Davidson wrote:
Oh, the NEC Multispin 4x may just work. I use these. You will have to
set one of the dip switches that changes it from 2048 bytes to 512
bytes. A search on the web should be able to give you the correct
switch.
I love the old NEC Mulitspin's, I have an 8x caddy drive in my
PDP-11. They're the only non-DEC drives I've been able to find that
works with some of my older DEC gear.
Zane
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Just remembered...
Did you by chance enable broadcasts to your system console on the Alpha
so that you could monitor the actual requests that the Alpha will/should
(hopefully) see? This might give a clue to what is missing/wrong...
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 21:04
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver?
Good evening everyone:
This weekend I have been trying to make my VAXStation 4000-90A come to
life. It won't boot off the CD (an NEC Multispin 4X, perhaps it doesn't
speak 512/2048?) so I took the next route of trying to make it boot of
my
Alpha's (MISER) host base Infoserver. I copied the ISL_SVAX_073.SYS
file
off of my 7.3 distribution from Montagar (it was in [sys0.sysexe]) to
mom$load and did all the NCP statements to make MISER aware of the new
soon-to-be-node, FRUGAL.
The VAX boots to this file fine.( "b /r5:100 eza0" ) If I make it
search
for Infoserver services, it finds the 7.3 distribution service that I
set
up using LDDRIVER on the Alpha. However, when I try to select it (and
hopefully make it "boot" from it) it just sits there for a long time,
eventually saying:
%ISL-F-BADOPEN, unable to locate SYSBOOT
Running wireshark doesn't reveal much - I see the "DEC LAST" protocol
running on the wire, but that's about it. At this point it *has* to be
something simple.
Would anyone have anything obvious I should be checking? I have a
feeling I'm *this* close ... :)
Cheers,
Fred
----
Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
Fred,
I'm not sure what's going on here but...
I may still be able to help you. You could try booting into my
VAXcluster (as a satellite) and do the installation from that if you
wish. If you are interested, let me know offline.
If this fails then you could try booting off my "real" InfoServer just
for grins :-)
Oh, the NEC Multispin 4x may just work. I use these. You will have to
set one of the dip switches that changes it from 2048 bytes to 512
bytes. A search on the web should be able to give you the correct
switch.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 21:04
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver?
Good evening everyone:
This weekend I have been trying to make my VAXStation 4000-90A come to
life. It won't boot off the CD (an NEC Multispin 4X, perhaps it doesn't
speak 512/2048?) so I took the next route of trying to make it boot of
my
Alpha's (MISER) host base Infoserver. I copied the ISL_SVAX_073.SYS
file
off of my 7.3 distribution from Montagar (it was in [sys0.sysexe]) to
mom$load and did all the NCP statements to make MISER aware of the new
soon-to-be-node, FRUGAL.
The VAX boots to this file fine.( "b /r5:100 eza0" ) If I make it
search
for Infoserver services, it finds the 7.3 distribution service that I
set
up using LDDRIVER on the Alpha. However, when I try to select it (and
hopefully make it "boot" from it) it just sits there for a long time,
eventually saying:
%ISL-F-BADOPEN, unable to locate SYSBOOT
Running wireshark doesn't reveal much - I see the "DEC LAST" protocol
running on the wire, but that's about it. At this point it *has* to be
something simple.
Would anyone have anything obvious I should be checking? I have a
feeling I'm *this* close ... :)
Cheers,
Fred
----
Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
Good evening everyone:
This weekend I have been trying to make my VAXStation 4000-90A come to life. It won't boot off the CD (an NEC Multispin 4X, perhaps it doesn't speak 512/2048?) so I took the next route of trying to make it boot of my Alpha's (MISER) host base Infoserver. I copied the ISL_SVAX_073.SYS file off of my 7.3 distribution from Montagar (it was in [sys0.sysexe]) to mom$load and did all the NCP statements to make MISER aware of the new soon-to-be-node, FRUGAL.
The VAX boots to this file fine.( "b /r5:100 eza0" ) If I make it search for Infoserver services, it finds the 7.3 distribution service that I set up using LDDRIVER on the Alpha. However, when I try to select it (and hopefully make it "boot" from it) it just sits there for a long time, eventually saying:
%ISL-F-BADOPEN, unable to locate SYSBOOT
Running wireshark doesn't reveal much - I see the "DEC LAST" protocol running on the wire, but that's about it. At this point it *has* to be something simple.
Would anyone have anything obvious I should be checking? I have a feeling I'm *this* close ... :)
Cheers,
Fred
----
Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
At 9:11 PM -0500 11/22/09, Steve Davidson wrote:
Oh, the NEC Multispin 4x may just work. I use these. You will have to
set one of the dip switches that changes it from 2048 bytes to 512
bytes. A search on the web should be able to give you the correct
switch.
I love the old NEC Mulitspin's, I have an 8x caddy drive in my PDP-11. They're the only non-DEC drives I've been able to find that works with some of my older DEC gear.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
