A pity because despite its elegance and well thought out design DECnet-Plus
(or phase V or DECnet OSI) is a lot moredifficult to maintain and manage
than phase IV. I have the appropriate DECnet versions for the three Tru64
versions that I run. My experience with Tru64 is very limited and I do not
feel an urge to get more confused by running versions even older than
V5.0...
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] DECNET Phase IV for Tru 64
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 08:33 +0100, Mark Wickens wrote:
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 00:40 +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I remember people discussing running DECNET on Tru64 here a while
back, is there a DECNET IV package available for it? Anyone have a copy?
Sampsa
Yes, I've got it here - I'll put the packages on tiger in the anonymous
ftp account.
Apologies,
It is decnet+, the version I use is 4.0B on 4.0G - I didn't have any
problems configuring it up for use with HECnet however.
I can check for a more recent version if you don't have one.
Mark.
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21:19:00
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 08:33 +0100, Mark Wickens wrote:
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 00:40 +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I remember people discussing running DECNET on Tru64 here a while
back, is there a DECNET IV package available for it? Anyone have a copy?
Sampsa
Yes, I've got it here - I'll put the packages on tiger in the anonymous
ftp account.
Apologies,
It is decnet+, the version I use is 4.0B on 4.0G - I didn't have any
problems configuring it up for use with HECnet however.
I can check for a more recent version if you don't have one.
Mark.
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 10:07 +0200, H Vlems wrote:
On what version(s) of Tru64 does it run?
The reason for asking this is the phase V kit where each version matches one
specific version of Tru64.
If it runs on one of these: V5.0, V5.1A or V5.1B then I'm very much
interested in it.
Hans
I have tried this version for V4.0G, however I have the SPL for 5.1 so
there should be a version on that for V5.1+ (well, you would have
thought so, unless they only started shipping DNV from that point
Mark.
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] DECNET Phase IV for Tru 64
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 00:40 +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I remember people discussing running DECNET on Tru64 here a while
back, is there a DECNET IV package available for it? Anyone have a copy?
Sampsa
Yes, I've got it here - I'll put the packages on tiger in the anonymous
ftp account.
Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht.
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08:35:00
You're quite right Kari about the Multia. I bought one with 40 MB memory and
VMS would boot but crash all by itself within 20 minutes on an otherwise
idle system. The memory was replaced with 256 MB memory and the Multia was
more useful afterwards. The heat problem remains though and adding all that
memory didn't exactly reduce the inside temperature. So it's a winter-only
system. :)
Hans
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Kari Uusim ki
Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 20:42
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] FreeAXP Alpha Emulator
On 16.7.2010 19:57, Zane H. Healy wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys, just saw this on openvmshobbyist.com:
FreeAXP http://www.migrationspecialties.com/FreeAXP.html#Components
It emulates a AlphaServer 400 with up to 7 drives and 128 MB of RAM.
Runs on Windows though :(
I'm currently rolling out a test system to see how well it behaves on
Win2K3 Server.
Sampsa
Have you ever run an Alpha with only 128MB of RAM? That is the absolute
bare minimum I'd run 7.2 in, and it wasn't fun. I really wish they'd allow
between 192MB and 256MB, as at that point it starts being usable. Of
course
I'd also like a Linux version. :-)
Zane
.
I have. Even with 64MB. ;-)
It was a DEC3000-300X back in 1993 with AXPVMS V1.5 and also with OSF/1
V2.x and 3.0.
I have also tested a Multia with 64MB and VMS V7.3. It worked, but was
really slow. I wasn't expecting much more than bootability. The Multia
is slow (EV4/166MHz or EV4/233MHz) and 64MB is the absolute minimum for
AXPVMS.
Kari
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08:35:00
On what version(s) of Tru64 does it run?
The reason for asking this is the phase V kit where each version matches one
specific version of Tru64.
If it runs on one of these: V5.0, V5.1A or V5.1B then I'm very much
interested in it.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] DECNET Phase IV for Tru 64
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 00:40 +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I remember people discussing running DECNET on Tru64 here a while
back, is there a DECNET IV package available for it? Anyone have a copy?
Sampsa
Yes, I've got it here - I'll put the packages on tiger in the anonymous
ftp account.
Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht.
Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com
Versie: 9.0.839 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3009 - datum van uitgifte: 07/16/10
08:35:00
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 00:40 +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I remember people discussing running DECNET on Tru64 here a while
back, is there a DECNET IV package available for it? Anyone have a copy?
Sampsa
Yes, I've got it here - I'll put the packages on tiger in the anonymous
ftp account.
Like most everyone, I'm sure, I'll have MUD's / games online... intend to TRY to make a c64 / retro file swap available... be interesting to try to pull some of the c64 / atari / whatever folks onto a bbs or something... dunno...
Also plan to host a mail gateway once we start moving in that direction...
Good idea...
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,
I thought it would be a nice thing to put together a list of different public services that each of us offers on HECNET to other HECNET users, maybe in the end putting this list up on hecnet.eu.
I'm thinking along the lines of the info text files that we have on the HECnet infosearch on RHESUS, but more human readable.
If you are offering something of interest (e.g. games, mail gateways, forums etc) accessible via HECnet, please let me know and I'll start compiling a HECnet Service Directory and maybe liaise with Mark to put it up on the hecnet.eu website.
Sampsa
Gentlemen,
I thought it would be a nice thing to put together a list of different public services that each of us offers on HECNET to other HECNET users, maybe in the end putting this list up on hecnet.eu.
I'm thinking along the lines of the info text files that we have on the HECnet infosearch on RHESUS, but more human readable.
If you are offering something of interest (e.g. games, mail gateways, forums etc) accessible via HECnet, please let me know and I'll start compiling a HECnet Service Directory and maybe liaise with Mark to put it up on the hecnet.eu website.
Sampsa
Joe, have a look at this for how to get started with your serial project:
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Text-Terminal-HOWTO-15.html
I think for your terminal -> vax session I would setup an account on the Linux box with the shell set to "telnet <simh host> <serial mux telnet port>"
For the scanner thing, you probably want the getty to automatically launch netcat - how you get past the VAX login procedures is beyond me though...
Sampsa
On 16 Jul 2010, at 21:48, Joe Ferraro wrote:
haha.. I'll take you up on the chat thing...
I love it when you systems guys say it's not brain surgery... I'd tend to agree; however, I'm just a dumb electrical engineer turned sys-admin -- any coding experience I *did* have was spent at the microcontroller level where things are simple...
sorry to bother... have a good evening
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Hmm...
For 1., I would just hook up getty or something on the linux box and have it automatically connect to the TCP serial port on the VAX.
For 2, not sure, but it's not brain surgery writing something that reads from a /dev/tty* and writes to a TCP socket.
Could probably use the same little bit of code to accomplish both...
Sampsa
On 16 Jul 2010, at 21:28, Joe Ferraro wrote:
1.) hooking a vt up to the host linux box to access the VAX
2.) seeing if I could pass inbound serial data from a [serial] scanner to software on the emulated vax
I know.. sounds silly...
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Not much no, AFAIK the serial ports on SIMH VAX just expose themselves to the outside world as a TCP socket (listening inbound only, again as far as I can tell)...
What are you planning on doing?
Sampsa
On 16 Jul 2010, at 21:10, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Already done, my friend... it should be in the latest push...
Ever done much serial (e.g. RS-232 and the like) programming? If so, do you know of any good references? I'd like to see if I can interface with the serial ports on a simh vax...
Cheers...
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
OK,
Cool, you need to let Johnny know so he can update the master node name database as well.
Sampsa
On 16 Jul 2010, at 21:02, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Sampsa,
I'm sure you've already realized via update, but I was just thinking that I forgot to mention it to you -- I've taken area 20 so as to be able to give you back your node addresses. I think I had the 8.50n series...
Also, I have taylor up on solaris 10.. just need to configure it...
Joe
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Sampsa Laine <msampsa at mac.co> wrote:
Guys/Johnny,
I'm registering two new nodes in my area, BONZO and LEMUR.
BONZO is at 8.800
LEMUR is at 8.430
Sampsa
On 16 Jul 2010, at 18:08, Marc Chametzky wrote:
Have you ever run an Alpha with only 128MB of RAM? That is the absolute
bare minimum I'd run 7.2 in, and it wasn't fun. I really wish they'd allow
between 192MB and 256MB, as at that point it starts being usable. Of course
I'd also like a Linux version. :-)
They have a Linux version called CHARON-AXP/ES40 for Linux NCE. You can find it at http://www.stromasys.ch/axpnce/ .
I've set it up here and it does work. The only downside is that the non-commercial (free) version shuts off after 30 days requiring a restart. Plus, it's time-bombed to stop working after December 31, 2010 (although a newer version should subsequently be available if past history continues).
--Marc
Joe,
In this case it literally is reading from a file descriptor and writing to a socket and vice versa - it's very straight forward.
Mind you, personally I would just configure a couple of ports on my terminal server to do it for me - I guess you dont have one of those lying around...:)
Sampsa
On 16 Jul 2010, at 21:48, Joe Ferraro wrote:
haha.. I'll take you up on the chat thing...
I love it when you systems guys say it's not brain surgery... I'd tend to agree; however, I'm just a dumb electrical engineer turned sys-admin -- any coding experience I *did* have was spent at the microcontroller level where things are simple...
sorry to bother... have a good evening
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Hmm...
For 1., I would just hook up getty or something on the linux box and have it automatically connect to the TCP serial port on the VAX.
For 2, not sure, but it's not brain surgery writing something that reads from a /dev/tty* and writes to a TCP socket.
Could probably use the same little bit of code to accomplish both...
Sampsa
On 16 Jul 2010, at 21:28, Joe Ferraro wrote:
1.) hooking a vt up to the host linux box to access the VAX
2.) seeing if I could pass inbound serial data from a [serial] scanner to software on the emulated vax
I know.. sounds silly...
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Not much no, AFAIK the serial ports on SIMH VAX just expose themselves to the outside world as a TCP socket (listening inbound only, again as far as I can tell)...
What are you planning on doing?
Sampsa
On 16 Jul 2010, at 21:10, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Already done, my friend... it should be in the latest push...
Ever done much serial (e.g. RS-232 and the like) programming? If so, do you know of any good references? I'd like to see if I can interface with the serial ports on a simh vax...
Cheers...
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
OK,
Cool, you need to let Johnny know so he can update the master node name database as well.
Sampsa
On 16 Jul 2010, at 21:02, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Sampsa,
I'm sure you've already realized via update, but I was just thinking that I forgot to mention it to you -- I've taken area 20 so as to be able to give you back your node addresses. I think I had the 8.50n series...
Also, I have taylor up on solaris 10.. just need to configure it...
Joe
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Sampsa Laine <msampsa at mac.co> wrote:
Guys/Johnny,
I'm registering two new nodes in my area, BONZO and LEMUR.
BONZO is at 8.800
LEMUR is at 8.430
Sampsa
On 16 Jul 2010, at 18:08, Marc Chametzky wrote:
Have you ever run an Alpha with only 128MB of RAM? That is the absolute
bare minimum I'd run 7.2 in, and it wasn't fun. I really wish they'd allow
between 192MB and 256MB, as at that point it starts being usable. Of course
I'd also like a Linux version. :-)
They have a Linux version called CHARON-AXP/ES40 for Linux NCE. You can find it at http://www.stromasys.ch/axpnce/ .
I've set it up here and it does work. The only downside is that the non-commercial (free) version shuts off after 30 days requiring a restart. Plus, it's time-bombed to stop working after December 31, 2010 (although a newer version should subsequently be available if past history continues).
--Marc
