An 8650 sure makes a fine central heating unit !
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On 2011-12-30 02.44, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Agh, magica. Those were the good old days. :)
Magica is still around. I only wish I could turn her on more often.
Cooling is the problem.
What was that monster MIPS box you had that you terminated the serial tunnel on? Wasn't it the one that came in the same style as the VAX 6000?
Hum...? I think that it terminated on our VAX 8650.
That is the only thing I can remember on which I had serial ports to
spare. Running Ultrix on the machine at the time.
That machine is also still around, but also powered off because of
cooling. Big ECL machine. Lots of heat... But it's KRILLE (1.8).
It can boot VMS, Ultrix and NetBSD. Only got DECnet for VMS though.
Johnny
-brian
On Dec 29, 2011, at 18:38, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Fun story:
A number of years ago I had a russian guy who asked for a guest account on Magica (MIMs predecessor, a real PDP-11/70, which is still around).
A day or so later, the system had crashed, and I had received an email with an apology from the russian guy for crashing the system.
It turned out that he and some friends had a russian cloned RSX system from some old age, which they had done plenty of hacking and working on, and in the process had found some potential exploits. Curious as they were, they decided to check if those exploits were still around in the latest version of RSX, which they had not touched before. Since I had protected all the directories and source files from random access, they couldn't check the source code, but they could write programs, so they did.
And yes, the possible exploits and holes were still around, and thus Magica crashed. This was in V4.5, if I remember right. I thanked them for the information, rebooted the system and sent what they told be on towards Mentec. The russian promised to not do that again, and I just thought it was fun.
V4.6 fixed one or two of the problems, but a couple of them are still around.
So, once it a while, you actually do find someone who knows what they are doing, but such people are normally not evil.
I'm still looking for script kiddies trying to hack MIM. Once in a while I do get people who try to login repeatedly as root, falken, and other known Unix accounts. Poor kids... ;-)
Johnny
On 2011-12-29 14.17, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Or Solaris, or *BSD, or.....
If they can't run a script on linux or windows they can't hack in.
Yes, I have a very poor view of crackers these days. :-D
-brian
On 12/29/2011 4:24 AM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
MIM uses guest/guest and a script that asks for your name. Not secure
but then again what's there to steal? And I doubt whether hackers know
their way in any DEC OS ...
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From: "Steve Davidson"<jeep at scshome.net>
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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:42:17
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Area 19 revised
I do not create any accounts unless asked by the node owner...
Only some machines have guest accounts and as far as I know we have no
standard. This site does not have guest accounts. I do create accounts
on request for some of the machines. Mostly PLUTO::, because it is the
only RSTS/E system on HECnet, but it is not up all of the time. With
the exception of PLUTO:: none of my machines offer anything that HECnet
users don't already have.
-Steve
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Ah, no guest accounts have been setup unless Steve did it so I'm
assuming he hasn't. I'll create some guest accounts tomorrow.
What's the standard HECnet guest?
-brian
On Dec 28, 2011, at 19:43, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Hi Brian, It may have been an example of the NML issue discussed here
a couple of days ago. Anyway set host rifter worked fine. I tried
guest/guest and hecnet/guiest but that didn't work. Well, I quit for the
day, it's late out here.
Hans
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Verzonden: 29 december 2011 01:07
On 12/28/2011 6:44 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Brian, is RIFTER a phase V node? NCP set exec node RIFTER doesn't
work, even
when I jump to SG1 first.
No, it's a Phase IV node.
-brian
On 2011-12-30 02.44, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Agh, magica. Those were the good old days. :)
Magica is still around. I only wish I could turn her on more often. Cooling is the problem.
What was that monster MIPS box you had that you terminated the serial tunnel on? Wasn't it the one that came in the same style as the VAX 6000?
Hum...? I think that it terminated on our VAX 8650.
That is the only thing I can remember on which I had serial ports to spare. Running Ultrix on the machine at the time.
That machine is also still around, but also powered off because of cooling. Big ECL machine. Lots of heat... But it's KRILLE (1.8).
It can boot VMS, Ultrix and NetBSD. Only got DECnet for VMS though.
Johnny
-brian
On Dec 29, 2011, at 18:38, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Fun story:
A number of years ago I had a russian guy who asked for a guest account on Magica (MIMs predecessor, a real PDP-11/70, which is still around).
A day or so later, the system had crashed, and I had received an email with an apology from the russian guy for crashing the system.
It turned out that he and some friends had a russian cloned RSX system from some old age, which they had done plenty of hacking and working on, and in the process had found some potential exploits. Curious as they were, they decided to check if those exploits were still around in the latest version of RSX, which they had not touched before. Since I had protected all the directories and source files from random access, they couldn't check the source code, but they could write programs, so they did.
And yes, the possible exploits and holes were still around, and thus Magica crashed. This was in V4.5, if I remember right. I thanked them for the information, rebooted the system and sent what they told be on towards Mentec. The russian promised to not do that again, and I just thought it was fun.
V4.6 fixed one or two of the problems, but a couple of them are still around.
So, once it a while, you actually do find someone who knows what they are doing, but such people are normally not evil.
I'm still looking for script kiddies trying to hack MIM. Once in a while I do get people who try to login repeatedly as root, falken, and other known Unix accounts. Poor kids... ;-)
Johnny
On 2011-12-29 14.17, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Or Solaris, or *BSD, or.....
If they can't run a script on linux or windows they can't hack in.
Yes, I have a very poor view of crackers these days. :-D
-brian
On 12/29/2011 4:24 AM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
MIM uses guest/guest and a script that asks for your name. Not secure
but then again what's there to steal? And I doubt whether hackers know
their way in any DEC OS ...
-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Davidson"<jeep at scshome.net>
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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:42:17
To:<hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: RE: [HECnet] Circuit costs -
Area 19 revised
I do not create any accounts unless asked by the node owner...
Only some machines have guest accounts and as far as I know we have no
standard. This site does not have guest accounts. I do create accounts
on request for some of the machines. Mostly PLUTO::, because it is the
only RSTS/E system on HECnet, but it is not up all of the time. With
the exception of PLUTO:: none of my machines offer anything that HECnet
users don't already have.
-Steve
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
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Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [HECnet] Circuit costs - Area 19 revised
Ah, no guest accounts have been setup unless Steve did it so I'm
assuming he hasn't. I'll create some guest accounts tomorrow.
What's the standard HECnet guest?
-brian
On Dec 28, 2011, at 19:43, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Hi Brian, It may have been an example of the NML issue discussed here
a couple of days ago. Anyway set host rifter worked fine. I tried
guest/guest and hecnet/guiest but that didn't work. Well, I quit for the
day, it's late out here.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Circuit costs - Area 19 revised
Verzonden: 29 december 2011 01:07
On 12/28/2011 6:44 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Brian, is RIFTER a phase V node? NCP set exec node RIFTER doesn't
work, even
when I jump to SG1 first.
No, it's a Phase IV node.
-brian
On 2011-12-23 15.51, Brian Hechinger wrote:
RIFTER$ mcr ncp show known circuits
[...]
Nice...
The last time I was joined to HECnet was 11 years ago!!
Long time no see. :-)
That got me thinking about that time. Things were much different back
then. Johnny's bridge program didn't bridge ethernet at that time. It
bridged serial!
Gha! I was trying to remember who might have been around back then. So that was you... I think that makes you the first place outside my own experimentation that was connected to HECnet. :-)
Serial ports was my first solution. It seemed like a very easy thing to do, and it worked just fine. The only "problem" was that DECnet over asynch serial ports are slow, since they are limited to 9600 bps.
I might have run with that for at most a year before I wrote the bridge program to replace it.
I also needed physical serial ports all over the place. :-)
Johnny
On 30/12/11 06:08, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
On 12/29/11 8:50 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Dec 29, 2011, at 16:52, "H Vlems"<hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
.eqs. compares two strings for an exact match. It is case sensitive and thus
surprisingly strict for an OS that seems to do uppercase only...
Good to know. Being a unix guy I probably would have assumed case sensitivity. :)
What is regex??
Regular Expressions. A pain in the ass to learn but totally worth it.
Circuit names for ethernet device are DDD-N
DDCMP (serial lines), CI and DSSI devices are DD-N-M
Where D is a letter and N and M are digits.
Ok, so I see a trend here. All circuit names have a dash in them. That's how I was going to filter them out but I think I found a better way.
Thanks!!
-brian
With the common dash, check out the f$element( ) function in DCL. Very handy.
Apologies if someone already mentioned it. I jsut scanned through about 100 HECnet messages and I'm blurry.
John H. Reinhardt
My first retrochallenge entry http://www.wickensonline.co.uk/retro/documentation.html included processing DEC/ANSI escaped output from ALLIN1 and producing HTML using TPU (Text Processing Utility). If things get hairy this is a very VMS way of doing text processing.
Regards, Mark.
On 12/29/11 8:50 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Dec 29, 2011, at 16:52, "H Vlems"<hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
.eqs. compares two strings for an exact match. It is case sensitive and thus
surprisingly strict for an OS that seems to do uppercase only...
Good to know. Being a unix guy I probably would have assumed case sensitivity. :)
What is regex??
Regular Expressions. A pain in the ass to learn but totally worth it.
Circuit names for ethernet device are DDD-N
DDCMP (serial lines), CI and DSSI devices are DD-N-M
Where D is a letter and N and M are digits.
Ok, so I see a trend here. All circuit names have a dash in them. That's how I was going to filter them out but I think I found a better way.
Thanks!!
-brian
With the common dash, check out the f$element( ) function in DCL. Very handy.
Apologies if someone already mentioned it. I jsut scanned through about 100 HECnet messages and I'm blurry.
John H. Reinhardt
On Dec 29, 2011, at 16:52, "H Vlems" <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
.eqs. compares two strings for an exact match. It is case sensitive and thus
surprisingly strict for an OS that seems to do uppercase only...
Good to know. Being a unix guy I probably would have assumed case sensitivity. :)
What is regex??
Regular Expressions. A pain in the ass to learn but totally worth it.
Circuit names for ethernet device are DDD-N
DDCMP (serial lines), CI and DSSI devices are DD-N-M
Where D is a letter and N and M are digits.
Ok, so I see a trend here. All circuit names have a dash in them. That's how I was going to filter them out but I think I found a better way.
Thanks!!
-brian
Agh, magica. Those were the good old days. :)
What was that monster MIPS box you had that you terminated the serial tunnel on? Wasn't it the one that came in the same style as the VAX 6000?
-brian
On Dec 29, 2011, at 18:38, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Fun story:
A number of years ago I had a russian guy who asked for a guest account on Magica (MIMs predecessor, a real PDP-11/70, which is still around).
A day or so later, the system had crashed, and I had received an email with an apology from the russian guy for crashing the system.
It turned out that he and some friends had a russian cloned RSX system from some old age, which they had done plenty of hacking and working on, and in the process had found some potential exploits. Curious as they were, they decided to check if those exploits were still around in the latest version of RSX, which they had not touched before. Since I had protected all the directories and source files from random access, they couldn't check the source code, but they could write programs, so they did.
And yes, the possible exploits and holes were still around, and thus Magica crashed. This was in V4.5, if I remember right. I thanked them for the information, rebooted the system and sent what they told be on towards Mentec. The russian promised to not do that again, and I just thought it was fun.
V4.6 fixed one or two of the problems, but a couple of them are still around.
So, once it a while, you actually do find someone who knows what they are doing, but such people are normally not evil.
I'm still looking for script kiddies trying to hack MIM. Once in a while I do get people who try to login repeatedly as root, falken, and other known Unix accounts. Poor kids... ;-)
Johnny
On 2011-12-29 14.17, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Or Solaris, or *BSD, or.....
If they can't run a script on linux or windows they can't hack in.
Yes, I have a very poor view of crackers these days. :-D
-brian
On 12/29/2011 4:24 AM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
MIM uses guest/guest and a script that asks for your name. Not secure
but then again what's there to steal? And I doubt whether hackers know
their way in any DEC OS ...
-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Davidson"<jeep at scshome.net>
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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:42:17
To:<hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: RE: [HECnet] Circuit costs -
Area 19 revised
I do not create any accounts unless asked by the node owner...
Only some machines have guest accounts and as far as I know we have no
standard. This site does not have guest accounts. I do create accounts
on request for some of the machines. Mostly PLUTO::, because it is the
only RSTS/E system on HECnet, but it is not up all of the time. With
the exception of PLUTO:: none of my machines offer anything that HECnet
users don't already have.
-Steve
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:09 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Circuit costs - Area 19 revised
Ah, no guest accounts have been setup unless Steve did it so I'm
assuming he hasn't. I'll create some guest accounts tomorrow.
What's the standard HECnet guest?
-brian
On Dec 28, 2011, at 19:43, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Hi Brian, It may have been an example of the NML issue discussed here
a couple of days ago. Anyway set host rifter worked fine. I tried
guest/guest and hecnet/guiest but that didn't work. Well, I quit for the
day, it's late out here.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Circuit costs - Area 19 revised
Verzonden: 29 december 2011 01:07
On 12/28/2011 6:44 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Brian, is RIFTER a phase V node? NCP set exec node RIFTER doesn't
work, even
when I jump to SG1 first.
No, it's a Phase IV node.
-brian
On 2011-12-29 17.37, Steve Davidson wrote:
[...]
Multinet circuits are in the form of "TCP-x-y". Both "x" and "y" are
assignable and default to zero (0). I have been using "x" to denote
physical circuit and "y" to denote area end-point. This way I no longer
have to remember (or guess) what the other end is. SG1:: only has one
(1) NIC so in my case "x" is always zero (0).
DECnet LAN circuits are in the form of xxA-n, where "xx" is the
controller type, and "n" is the physical unit of that type (starting at
zero (0)).
And multidrop connections might be in the form xxx-yy.z if I remember right.
xxx is normally related to device type. yy in many cases are the number of the controller, and z the line on that controller.
And as usual, I might be remembering details wrong. :-)
Johnny
-Steve
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Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:25 AM
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On 12/29/2011 11:17 AM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Steal and steal often is my motto :-)
Take whatever you need! The new version will be better commented and
not require the reboot. I will place a copy of the old version of the
data file (it matches this version) in the same directory.
I'm assuming .eqs. is rather limited (say the way = is in bash)?
Is there any sort of regex style matching available?
Short of that, is it fair to say that all circuit names in the output of
show known circuits will always be in the form of XXX-N for non-multinet
tunnels?
-brian
Fun story:
A number of years ago I had a russian guy who asked for a guest account on Magica (MIMs predecessor, a real PDP-11/70, which is still around).
A day or so later, the system had crashed, and I had received an email with an apology from the russian guy for crashing the system.
It turned out that he and some friends had a russian cloned RSX system from some old age, which they had done plenty of hacking and working on, and in the process had found some potential exploits. Curious as they were, they decided to check if those exploits were still around in the latest version of RSX, which they had not touched before. Since I had protected all the directories and source files from random access, they couldn't check the source code, but they could write programs, so they did.
And yes, the possible exploits and holes were still around, and thus Magica crashed. This was in V4.5, if I remember right. I thanked them for the information, rebooted the system and sent what they told be on towards Mentec. The russian promised to not do that again, and I just thought it was fun.
V4.6 fixed one or two of the problems, but a couple of them are still around.
So, once it a while, you actually do find someone who knows what they are doing, but such people are normally not evil.
I'm still looking for script kiddies trying to hack MIM. Once in a while I do get people who try to login repeatedly as root, falken, and other known Unix accounts. Poor kids... ;-)
Johnny
On 2011-12-29 14.17, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Or Solaris, or *BSD, or.....
If they can't run a script on linux or windows they can't hack in.
Yes, I have a very poor view of crackers these days. :-D
-brian
On 12/29/2011 4:24 AM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
MIM uses guest/guest and a script that asks for your name. Not secure
but then again what's there to steal? And I doubt whether hackers know
their way in any DEC OS ...
-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Davidson"<jeep at scshome.net>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:42:17
To:<hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: RE: [HECnet] Circuit costs -
Area 19 revised
I do not create any accounts unless asked by the node owner...
Only some machines have guest accounts and as far as I know we have no
standard. This site does not have guest accounts. I do create accounts
on request for some of the machines. Mostly PLUTO::, because it is the
only RSTS/E system on HECnet, but it is not up all of the time. With
the exception of PLUTO:: none of my machines offer anything that HECnet
users don't already have.
-Steve
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:09 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Circuit costs - Area 19 revised
Ah, no guest accounts have been setup unless Steve did it so I'm
assuming he hasn't. I'll create some guest accounts tomorrow.
What's the standard HECnet guest?
-brian
On Dec 28, 2011, at 19:43, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Hi Brian, It may have been an example of the NML issue discussed here
a couple of days ago. Anyway set host rifter worked fine. I tried
guest/guest and hecnet/guiest but that didn't work. Well, I quit for the
day, it's late out here.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Circuit costs - Area 19 revised
Verzonden: 29 december 2011 01:07
On 12/28/2011 6:44 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Brian, is RIFTER a phase V node? NCP set exec node RIFTER doesn't
work, even
when I jump to SG1 first.
No, it's a Phase IV node.
-brian
Just FYI: On MIM:: there is GUEST/GUEST
Johnny
On 2011-12-29 08.55, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
I'm not sure there is a standard. On some machines I use hecnet / guest
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Verzonden: 29 december 2011 04:08
Ah, no guest accounts have been setup unless Steve did it so I'm assuming he hasn't. I'll create some guest accounts tomorrow.
What's the standard HECnet guest?
-brian
On Dec 28, 2011, at 19:43, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Hi Brian, It may have been an example of the NML issue discussed here a couple of days ago. Anyway set host rifter worked fine. I tried guest/guest and hecnet/guiest but that didn't work. Well, I quit for the day, it's late out here.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Circuit costs - Area 19 revised
Verzonden: 29 december 2011 01:07
On 12/28/2011 6:44 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Brian, is RIFTER a phase V node? NCP set exec node RIFTER doesn't work, even
when I jump to SG1 first.
No, it's a Phase IV node.
-brian
