Well, I've told the guys that 50 euros is probably a realistic price that we as a community would be willing to part with.
The guy I'm in contact is really nice BTW, he's been watching out project for a while, even noted that hecnet.eu had been down since Friday...
Sampsa
On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:38, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I was thinking 50-100 GBP max myself - as these guys would have to probably physically post us a copy protection dongle.
For me, the power savings is the main issue: I already have a chunky i86_64 box that run various VMs and emulators, so I would probably save the 100 quid in about 3 months.
Sampsa
On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:35, Saku Set l wrote:
Yeah, I agree 50e max.
I was thinking 50-100 GBP max myself - as these guys would have to probably physically post us a copy protection dongle.
For me, the power savings is the main issue: I already have a chunky i86_64 box that run various VMs and emulators, so I would probably save the 100 quid in about 3 months.
Sampsa
On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:35, Saku Set l wrote:
Yeah, I agree 50e max.
Yeah, I agree 50e max.
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 09:19, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Real hardware is priceless: a couple of months ago I was given a DS10 and a DS20E for free.
The only disadvantages I feel are floorspace and power usage.
Difficult to price an emulator, but 50 is about as much as I'd pay.
Hans
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From: Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net>
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:29:36
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Wouldn't be worth more than about $50 (CAD) to me. Anything more than the used price for the real hardware ($200) is out to lunch.
Ian
On 2012-04-04, at 2:21 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I've just been talking to the guys who make the FreeAXP product about possible hobbyist pricing for their DS10 and other commercial products - they seemed to like what we're doing with HECnet and asked what I thought was a fair price for a DS10 emulator, so I figured I'd ask here.
>
> Basically, I think we can get a better deal if a bunch of us buy a copy. Their list price for the DS10 version is USD 6,000 which of course is crazy as we can get a lot of hardware for that kind of money.
>
> So I guess my questions are these:
>
> 1. How many of you are interested in a commercial Alpha emulator at hobbyist pricing?
> 2. What are we willing to pay for say an emulated DS10?
>
> Sampsa
>
> PS: The chap mentioned that hecnet.eu has been down for a while (so he's clearly aware of us) - any ideas when/if it's coming back up?
>
>
>
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Real hardware is priceless: a couple of months ago I was given a DS10 and a DS20E for free.
The only disadvantages I feel are floorspace and power usage.
Difficult to price an emulator, but 50 is about as much as I'd pay.
Hans
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From: Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net>
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:29:36
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Alpha emulation
Wouldn't be worth more than about $50 (CAD) to me. Anything more than the used price for the real hardware ($200) is out to lunch.
Ian
On 2012-04-04, at 2:21 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
I've just been talking to the guys who make the FreeAXP product about possible hobbyist pricing for their DS10 and other commercial products - they seemed to like what we're doing with HECnet and asked what I thought was a fair price for a DS10 emulator, so I figured I'd ask here.
Basically, I think we can get a better deal if a bunch of us buy a copy. Their list price for the DS10 version is USD 6,000 which of course is crazy as we can get a lot of hardware for that kind of money.
So I guess my questions are these:
1. How many of you are interested in a commercial Alpha emulator at hobbyist pricing?
2. What are we willing to pay for say an emulated DS10?
Sampsa
PS: The chap mentioned that hecnet.eu has been down for a while (so he's clearly aware of us) - any ideas when/if it's coming back up?
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Yup, I was thinking about 50-100 GBP myself - their software is protected with a dongle (urgh) so I think there might be some underlying costs there.
Sampsa
On 5 Apr 2012, at 00:29, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Wouldn't be worth more than about $50 (CAD) to me. Anything more than the used price for the real hardware ($200) is out to lunch.
Ian
Wouldn't be worth more than about $50 (CAD) to me. Anything more than the used price for the real hardware ($200) is out to lunch.
Ian
On 2012-04-04, at 2:21 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
I've just been talking to the guys who make the FreeAXP product about possible hobbyist pricing for their DS10 and other commercial products - they seemed to like what we're doing with HECnet and asked what I thought was a fair price for a DS10 emulator, so I figured I'd ask here.
Basically, I think we can get a better deal if a bunch of us buy a copy. Their list price for the DS10 version is USD 6,000 which of course is crazy as we can get a lot of hardware for that kind of money.
So I guess my questions are these:
1. How many of you are interested in a commercial Alpha emulator at hobbyist pricing?
2. What are we willing to pay for say an emulated DS10?
Sampsa
PS: The chap mentioned that hecnet.eu has been down for a while (so he's clearly aware of us) - any ideas when/if it's coming back up?
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Guys,
I've just been talking to the guys who make the FreeAXP product about possible hobbyist pricing for their DS10 and other commercial products - they seemed to like what we're doing with HECnet and asked what I thought was a fair price for a DS10 emulator, so I figured I'd ask here.
Basically, I think we can get a better deal if a bunch of us buy a copy. Their list price for the DS10 version is USD 6,000 which of course is crazy as we can get a lot of hardware for that kind of money.
So I guess my questions are these:
1. How many of you are interested in a commercial Alpha emulator at hobbyist pricing?
2. What are we willing to pay for say an emulated DS10?
Sampsa
PS: The chap mentioned that hecnet.eu has been down for a while (so he's clearly aware of us) - any ideas when/if it's coming back up?
Oooohhh, awesome, thanks!
Now to get to grinding. :-D
-brian
On 3/28/2012 5:38 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 05:34:07AM -0400, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I'm working with getting the 4000/90 up and running and I was
wondering if anyone had seen this behavior before.
Upon initial power up all the diag lights are lit and nothing ever
happens. If I quickly flip the power switch off and on it then comes
up normally.
This happens every time it's powered on cold. Once it's on as long
as I only ever quickly flick the power switch off and on it works
fine.
Thoughts?
Incidentally, Holm Tilfe over att cctech@ had a similar problem.
His problem description:
The Machine doesn't start properly if it is switched on, the LEDs are
all stuck on (0xff). If I switch it off then and on again in a short
time, it starts up properly, is doing the diagnostics and tries to
boot an (defective?) NetBSD 1.1 that is loading the kernel but is
getting then in a ?54 RETRY loop.
His solution was as follows:
Ok, answering myself: Yes this error is already known, found a thread
in comp.sys.dec. The cause ist an empty lithium cell in the DS1287A
RTC. Used a proxxon grindng tool and grinded the IC housing of,
replaced the empty cell (1,07V) with an soldered on CR2016. Works now.
The RTC was unable to remember the "set bootdev dka0" over a
powercycle.
Hope it helps,
Pontus
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 05:34:07AM -0400, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I'm working with getting the 4000/90 up and running and I was
wondering if anyone had seen this behavior before.
Upon initial power up all the diag lights are lit and nothing ever
happens. If I quickly flip the power switch off and on it then comes
up normally.
This happens every time it's powered on cold. Once it's on as long
as I only ever quickly flick the power switch off and on it works
fine.
Thoughts?
Incidentally, Holm Tilfe over att cctech@ had a similar problem.
His problem description:
The Machine doesn't start properly if it is switched on, the LEDs are
all stuck on (0xff). If I switch it off then and on again in a short
time, it starts up properly, is doing the diagnostics and tries to
boot an (defective?) NetBSD 1.1 that is loading the kernel but is
getting then in a ?54 RETRY loop.
His solution was as follows:
Ok, answering myself: Yes this error is already known, found a thread
in comp.sys.dec. The cause ist an empty lithium cell in the DS1287A
RTC. Used a proxxon grindng tool and grinded the IC housing of,
replaced the empty cell (1,07V) with an soldered on CR2016. Works now.
The RTC was unable to remember the "set bootdev dka0" over a
powercycle.
Hope it helps,
Pontus
I'm working with getting the 4000/90 up and running and I was wondering if anyone had seen this behavior before.
Upon initial power up all the diag lights are lit and nothing ever happens. If I quickly flip the power switch off and on it then comes up normally.
This happens every time it's powered on cold. Once it's on as long as I only ever quickly flick the power switch off and on it works fine.
Thoughts?
-brian
