What? Why? I hope you are not taking it as a critizism of you or your posts. It is a wish that we keep to a stupid simple format and encoding of emails, so that they are readable no matter what odd mail reader you might be using. I'm sure you can see the point in that too? There got to be a way to get your mail program to behave...
Johnny
On 2012-06-20 19:52, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
In which case Johnny, kick me off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:45:00
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
On 2012-06-20 19:36, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
Peter is correct: it really is encoded as Base64. Why is not clear; the Mime header says that it's text/plain, but in spite of that it sets transfer-encoding to base64. Maybe just a defective mail client.
It is. However, I'm not there is a conflict as such.
Content-Transfer-Encoding tells how the message is encoded.
Content-Type tells what kind of content it is.
Having it text/plan along with base64 is no contradiction, even though I
agree that it is silly. I guess it was only a question of time before
base64 started to be used for everything... :-/
But I totally agree that we should try to keep this mailing list as
plain text mails.
Johnny
paul
On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:29 PM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl>
<hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair.
Apologies. I"ll drop off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:13:09
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
Any chance you can send plain ascii to the HECnet mailing list, I'm
reading my mail on a Tops20 box, and it it's 7-bit characters......
-P
SSB0aGluayBpdCB3YXMganVzdCBhIGhhcHB5IG1lc3NhZ2U6IGl0IHdvcmtzIGFzIGFkdmVydGlz
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In which case Johnny, kick me off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:45:00
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
On 2012-06-20 19:36, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
Peter is correct: it really is encoded as Base64. Why is not clear; the Mime header says that it's text/plain, but in spite of that it sets transfer-encoding to base64. Maybe just a defective mail client.
It is. However, I'm not there is a conflict as such.
Content-Transfer-Encoding tells how the message is encoded.
Content-Type tells what kind of content it is.
Having it text/plan along with base64 is no contradiction, even though I
agree that it is silly. I guess it was only a question of time before
base64 started to be used for everything... :-/
But I totally agree that we should try to keep this mailing list as
plain text mails.
Johnny
paul
On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:29 PM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl>
<hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair.
Apologies. I"ll drop off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:13:09
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
Any chance you can send plain ascii to the HECnet mailing list, I'm
reading my mail on a Tops20 box, and it it's 7-bit characters......
-P
SSB0aGluayBpdCB3YXMganVzdCBhIGhhcHB5IG1lc3NhZ2U6IGl0IHdvcmtzIGFzIGFkdmVydGlz
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On 2012-06-20 19:36, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
Peter is correct: it really is encoded as Base64. Why is not clear; the Mime header says that it's text/plain, but in spite of that it sets transfer-encoding to base64. Maybe just a defective mail client.
It is. However, I'm not there is a conflict as such.
Content-Transfer-Encoding tells how the message is encoded.
Content-Type tells what kind of content it is.
Having it text/plan along with base64 is no contradiction, even though I agree that it is silly. I guess it was only a question of time before base64 started to be used for everything... :-/
But I totally agree that we should try to keep this mailing list as plain text mails.
Johnny
paul
On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:29 PM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl>
<hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair.
Apologies. I"ll drop off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:13:09
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
Any chance you can send plain ascii to the HECnet mailing list, I'm
reading my mail on a Tops20 box, and it it's 7-bit characters......
-P
SSB0aGluayBpdCB3YXMganVzdCBhIGhhcHB5IG1lc3NhZ2U6IGl0IHdvcmtzIGFzIGFkdmVydGlz
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Peter is correct: it really is encoded as Base64. Why is not clear; the Mime header says that it's text/plain, but in spite of that it sets transfer-encoding to base64. Maybe just a defective mail client.
paul
On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:29 PM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl>
<hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair.
Apologies. I"ll drop off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:13:09
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
Any chance you can send plain ascii to the HECnet mailing list, I'm
reading my mail on a Tops20 box, and it it's 7-bit characters......
-P
SSB0aGluayBpdCB3YXMganVzdCBhIGhhcHB5IG1lc3NhZ2U6IGl0IHdvcmtzIGFzIGFkdmVydGlz
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It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair.
Apologies. I"ll drop off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:13:09
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
Any chance you can send plain ascii to the HECnet mailing list, I'm
reading my mail on a Tops20 box, and it it's 7-bit characters......
-P
SSB0aGluayBpdCB3YXMganVzdCBhIGhhcHB5IG1lc3NhZ2U6IGl0IHdvcmtzIGFzIGFkdmVydGlz
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Any chance you can send plain ascii to the HECnet mailing list, I'm
reading my mail on a Tops20 box, and it it's 7-bit characters......
-P
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I think it was just a happy message: it works as advertised :-)
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Johnny Billquist
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
Verzonden: 20 juni 2012 17:56
On 2012-06-20 15:37, Mark Wickens wrote:
Is everything ok in hecnet land? I can get out from SLAVE in Area 4 to anywhere else. My bridge to Psilo is up and running. I can see another local node on the same circuit (tiger)
I'm sorry, but is there a problem somewhere in this mail question?
If you actually have some problems getting out (not what you wrote),
then it might be because of a cleanup I did to my bridge config a few
days ago, which I sent out a notification about to the list...
Johnny
Thanks, Mark
Sent from my iPad
On 20 Jun 2012, at 12:32, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-06-20 12:27, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Does anyone have an outline of how the MAIL-11 protocol works? Toying with the idea of writing a Python library to send MAIL-11 messages using the DECNET-linux stack..
Let me get back to you in a while. I wrote up a document that I think I have on MIM, as I was writing my own MAIL-11 implementation for RSX...
Busy the next three hours, though...
Johnny
On 2012-06-20 13:32, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-06-20 12:27, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Does anyone have an outline of how the MAIL-11 protocol works? Toying
with the idea of writing a Python library to send MAIL-11 messages
using the DECNET-linux stack..
Let me get back to you in a while. I wrote up a document that I think I
have on MIM, as I was writing my own MAIL-11 implementation for RSX...
Busy the next three hours, though...
Ok. So my short writeup on the MAIL11 protocol is at MIM::DU:[NEWMAIL]NOTES.TXT
Let me know if there are any questions.
Johnny
On 2012-06-20 15:37, Mark Wickens wrote:
Is everything ok in hecnet land? I can get out from SLAVE in Area 4 to anywhere else. My bridge to Psilo is up and running. I can see another local node on the same circuit (tiger)
I'm sorry, but is there a problem somewhere in this mail question?
If you actually have some problems getting out (not what you wrote), then it might be because of a cleanup I did to my bridge config a few days ago, which I sent out a notification about to the list...
Johnny
Thanks, Mark
Sent from my iPad
On 20 Jun 2012, at 12:32, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-06-20 12:27, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Does anyone have an outline of how the MAIL-11 protocol works? Toying with the idea of writing a Python library to send MAIL-11 messages using the DECNET-linux stack..
Let me get back to you in a while. I wrote up a document that I think I have on MIM, as I was writing my own MAIL-11 implementation for RSX...
Busy the next three hours, though...
Johnny
Hey folks, I'm taking down my router for awhile for some wiring
cleanup. I'll have it back online later tonight or perhaps tomorrow.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
