I'm heading home. I'll be able to work on this again more tomorrow. I'm brian.hechinger on skype, but i'll have to remember to log in. :)
-brian
On 8/8/2012 1:06 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
OK, got in - you got skype or something so we can IM? I'm sampsa77
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:46, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Also, I created you an account on wiggum. I named it kermit unless you'd prefer something else. Password is ChangeMe2012
that's wiggum.4amlunch.net, btw.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:42 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I do, somewhere.
Let's get the VPN going first.
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:40, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Got a copy of the bridge? Update seems to be unavailable.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:27 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Thanks dude. Send me the connection details.
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:27, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, everything IP goes over VPN.
Ok, you win. I'll setup the bridge. :)
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:26 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Well I was thinking something simpler:
You set up a VPN server on your end to listen to connections.
I connect to your VPN server.
Let's say I get IP 10.0.01, your bridge is on 10.0.0.2.
I then just point my bridge at 10.0.0.2:4711, you point yours at the 10.0.0.1:4711.
UDP goes over VPN?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:16, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, that's an option, but here is what I was thinking.
You connect via openvpn to me. I redirect a port on my IP to go to yours.
For example, my server is 208.85.173.157. My end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.1 and your end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.2.
I had a nat rule that takes tcp port 9022 from 208.85.173.157 and redirects it to 10.42.3.2 port 22.
What this would allow you to do is ssh to 208.85.173.157:9022 and get directly connected to whatever is running openvpn on your end.
In theory.
In reality, it's not working for some reason. :(
It really should, but I haven't touched ipf/ipnat on this box in so long I might have something setup incorrectly (i used to do exactly this).
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:12 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Dude, there is no server. Let me explain :)
My ISP offers non-public IPs, so that's NAT one one - no way to forward a port.
Then I got a router, doing the local NATing, NAT two. Sure i could forward a port, but it ain't gonna help as the packets will never get to me from the ISP.
So I figure I connect out to you via OpenVPN, get a static IP x.x.x.x and then point my bridge at your static IP y.y.y.y (both of these are on the VPN), and you do vice versa.
Sound reasonable?
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:09, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It might come to that but what I'm attempting to do now is make you a bit more autonomous. If all goes according to plan (and so far it isn't) i'll be redirecting ports on my IP directly to your server.
If this doesn't work I'll just setup the bridge for you to relay through.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 11:56 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
And then my assumption is that I get a static IP (non-routable, of course) for my side and we point our bridges at each other over UDP?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 18:31, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It doesn't really matter I don't think. The OpenVPN config file is the same no matter where you use it.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 10:50 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I can run it from both an OS X box or Linux?
Which is easier to configure?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I should have some time today. Let me take a quick look at it and see. I can simulate your setup so I can test it here before passing it off to you
-brian
On 8/8/2012 9:19 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Brian,
When would be a good time to set up this OpenVPN thing for you?
Let me know.
Sampsa
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:43, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm game - never set it up on a Linux box before, though
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:13, Brian Hechinger wrote:
A possible option would be to setup an OpenVPN tunnel somewhere to go through. Maybe not pretty, but it'll work.
If you want to try that email me off list and we can set it up on my colo box.
-brian
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:00, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 6 Aug 2012, at 20:07, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ah well, I could go on... Suffice to say that it's not because I'm opposed to the features that a TCP connection, or DNS resolution would give, but I prioritize something that I feel confident is working to features. And doing a proper solution with all these aspects is more work than I have cared to put into it. The bridge program is a hack.
As Paul mention, pthreads would probably be a good start if you want to do something more intelligent. You need to start thinking asynchronously.
My desire for this is basically because my ISP is NAT'd to hell - I have no way of getting UDP packets back to my network, as the ISP gives me a non-routable address.
Why go with this ISP? Well it's about 3x faster than the DSL I can get in the sticks over a 3G signal, with unlimited bandwidth and usage.
But sucks for HECnet..
Sampsa
my end is 10.42.3.1
That 99 thing is just some weird way that openvpn tunnels work.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:54 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
OK, got Tunnelblick to connect to your end (it's a frontend for OS X openvpn).
But even though ifconfig looks right:
$ ifconfig tun0
tun0: flags=8851<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
inet 10.42.3.2 --> 10.42.3.99 netmask 0xffffffff
open (pid 701)
Ping won't work:
$ ping 10.42.3.99
PING 10.42.3.99 (10.42.3.99): 56 data bytes
Request timeout for icmp_seq 0
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1
Request timeout for icmp_seq 2
Request timeout for icmp_seq 3
Request timeout for icmp_seq 4
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:46, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Also, I created you an account on wiggum. I named it kermit unless you'd prefer something else. Password is ChangeMe2012
that's wiggum.4amlunch.net, btw.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:42 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I do, somewhere.
Let's get the VPN going first.
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:40, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Got a copy of the bridge? Update seems to be unavailable.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:27 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Thanks dude. Send me the connection details.
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:27, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, everything IP goes over VPN.
Ok, you win. I'll setup the bridge. :)
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:26 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Well I was thinking something simpler:
You set up a VPN server on your end to listen to connections.
I connect to your VPN server.
Let's say I get IP 10.0.01, your bridge is on 10.0.0.2.
I then just point my bridge at 10.0.0.2:4711, you point yours at the 10.0.0.1:4711.
UDP goes over VPN?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:16, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, that's an option, but here is what I was thinking.
You connect via openvpn to me. I redirect a port on my IP to go to yours.
For example, my server is 208.85.173.157. My end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.1 and your end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.2.
I had a nat rule that takes tcp port 9022 from 208.85.173.157 and redirects it to 10.42.3.2 port 22.
What this would allow you to do is ssh to 208.85.173.157:9022 and get directly connected to whatever is running openvpn on your end.
In theory.
In reality, it's not working for some reason. :(
It really should, but I haven't touched ipf/ipnat on this box in so long I might have something setup incorrectly (i used to do exactly this).
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:12 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Dude, there is no server. Let me explain :)
My ISP offers non-public IPs, so that's NAT one one - no way to forward a port.
Then I got a router, doing the local NATing, NAT two. Sure i could forward a port, but it ain't gonna help as the packets will never get to me from the ISP.
So I figure I connect out to you via OpenVPN, get a static IP x.x.x.x and then point my bridge at your static IP y.y.y.y (both of these are on the VPN), and you do vice versa.
Sound reasonable?
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:09, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It might come to that but what I'm attempting to do now is make you a bit more autonomous. If all goes according to plan (and so far it isn't) i'll be redirecting ports on my IP directly to your server.
If this doesn't work I'll just setup the bridge for you to relay through.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 11:56 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
And then my assumption is that I get a static IP (non-routable, of course) for my side and we point our bridges at each other over UDP?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 18:31, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It doesn't really matter I don't think. The OpenVPN config file is the same no matter where you use it.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 10:50 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I can run it from both an OS X box or Linux?
Which is easier to configure?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I should have some time today. Let me take a quick look at it and see. I can simulate your setup so I can test it here before passing it off to you
-brian
On 8/8/2012 9:19 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Brian,
When would be a good time to set up this OpenVPN thing for you?
Let me know.
Sampsa
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:43, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm game - never set it up on a Linux box before, though
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:13, Brian Hechinger wrote:
A possible option would be to setup an OpenVPN tunnel somewhere to go through. Maybe not pretty, but it'll work.
If you want to try that email me off list and we can set it up on my colo box.
-brian
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:00, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 6 Aug 2012, at 20:07, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ah well, I could go on... Suffice to say that it's not because I'm opposed to the features that a TCP connection, or DNS resolution would give, but I prioritize something that I feel confident is working to features. And doing a proper solution with all these aspects is more work than I have cared to put into it. The bridge program is a hack.
As Paul mention, pthreads would probably be a good start if you want to do something more intelligent. You need to start thinking asynchronously.
My desire for this is basically because my ISP is NAT'd to hell - I have no way of getting UDP packets back to my network, as the ISP gives me a non-routable address.
Why go with this ISP? Well it's about 3x faster than the DSL I can get in the sticks over a 3G signal, with unlimited bandwidth and usage.
But sucks for HECnet..
Sampsa
Also, I created you an account on wiggum. I named it kermit unless you'd prefer something else. Password is ChangeMe2012
that's wiggum.4amlunch.net, btw.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:42 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I do, somewhere.
Let's get the VPN going first.
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:40, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Got a copy of the bridge? Update seems to be unavailable.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:27 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Thanks dude. Send me the connection details.
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:27, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, everything IP goes over VPN.
Ok, you win. I'll setup the bridge. :)
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:26 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Well I was thinking something simpler:
You set up a VPN server on your end to listen to connections.
I connect to your VPN server.
Let's say I get IP 10.0.01, your bridge is on 10.0.0.2.
I then just point my bridge at 10.0.0.2:4711, you point yours at the 10.0.0.1:4711.
UDP goes over VPN?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:16, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, that's an option, but here is what I was thinking.
You connect via openvpn to me. I redirect a port on my IP to go to yours.
For example, my server is 208.85.173.157. My end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.1 and your end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.2.
I had a nat rule that takes tcp port 9022 from 208.85.173.157 and redirects it to 10.42.3.2 port 22.
What this would allow you to do is ssh to 208.85.173.157:9022 and get directly connected to whatever is running openvpn on your end.
In theory.
In reality, it's not working for some reason. :(
It really should, but I haven't touched ipf/ipnat on this box in so long I might have something setup incorrectly (i used to do exactly this).
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:12 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Dude, there is no server. Let me explain :)
My ISP offers non-public IPs, so that's NAT one one - no way to forward a port.
Then I got a router, doing the local NATing, NAT two. Sure i could forward a port, but it ain't gonna help as the packets will never get to me from the ISP.
So I figure I connect out to you via OpenVPN, get a static IP x.x.x.x and then point my bridge at your static IP y.y.y.y (both of these are on the VPN), and you do vice versa.
Sound reasonable?
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:09, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It might come to that but what I'm attempting to do now is make you a bit more autonomous. If all goes according to plan (and so far it isn't) i'll be redirecting ports on my IP directly to your server.
If this doesn't work I'll just setup the bridge for you to relay through.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 11:56 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
And then my assumption is that I get a static IP (non-routable, of course) for my side and we point our bridges at each other over UDP?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 18:31, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It doesn't really matter I don't think. The OpenVPN config file is the same no matter where you use it.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 10:50 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I can run it from both an OS X box or Linux?
Which is easier to configure?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I should have some time today. Let me take a quick look at it and see. I can simulate your setup so I can test it here before passing it off to you
-brian
On 8/8/2012 9:19 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Brian,
When would be a good time to set up this OpenVPN thing for you?
Let me know.
Sampsa
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:43, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm game - never set it up on a Linux box before, though
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:13, Brian Hechinger wrote:
A possible option would be to setup an OpenVPN tunnel somewhere to go through. Maybe not pretty, but it'll work.
If you want to try that email me off list and we can set it up on my colo box.
-brian
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:00, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 6 Aug 2012, at 20:07, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ah well, I could go on... Suffice to say that it's not because I'm opposed to the features that a TCP connection, or DNS resolution would give, but I prioritize something that I feel confident is working to features. And doing a proper solution with all these aspects is more work than I have cared to put into it. The bridge program is a hack.
As Paul mention, pthreads would probably be a good start if you want to do something more intelligent. You need to start thinking asynchronously.
My desire for this is basically because my ISP is NAT'd to hell - I have no way of getting UDP packets back to my network, as the ISP gives me a non-routable address.
Why go with this ISP? Well it's about 3x faster than the DSL I can get in the sticks over a 3G signal, with unlimited bandwidth and usage.
But sucks for HECnet..
Sampsa
Heh, yeah, that'll do it. Running 2.0.9 on the server. my test linux box had 2.2.2 (what centos 6 has in its repo).
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:42 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
1.6, looking for 2.0 right now :)
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:41, Brian Hechinger wrote:
What does 'openvpn --version' report?
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:40 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
$ openvpn --config /Users/kermit/brianvpn/openvpn.conf
Unrecognized option or missing parameter(s) in /Users/kermit/brianvpn/openvpn.conf:16: client
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:36, Brian Hechinger wrote:
ok, this should be all you need.
you'll need to tweak openvpn.conf to point to the ssl certificates (wherever you end up putting them) and then simply run 'openvpn --config /path/to/openvpn.conf'
you should be 10.42.3.2 and my end will be 10.42.3.1
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:27 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Thanks dude. Send me the connection details.
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:27, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, everything IP goes over VPN.
Ok, you win. I'll setup the bridge. :)
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:26 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Well I was thinking something simpler:
You set up a VPN server on your end to listen to connections.
I connect to your VPN server.
Let's say I get IP 10.0.01, your bridge is on 10.0.0.2.
I then just point my bridge at 10.0.0.2:4711, you point yours at the 10.0.0.1:4711.
UDP goes over VPN?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:16, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, that's an option, but here is what I was thinking.
You connect via openvpn to me. I redirect a port on my IP to go to yours.
For example, my server is 208.85.173.157. My end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.1 and your end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.2.
I had a nat rule that takes tcp port 9022 from 208.85.173.157 and redirects it to 10.42.3.2 port 22.
What this would allow you to do is ssh to 208.85.173.157:9022 and get directly connected to whatever is running openvpn on your end.
In theory.
In reality, it's not working for some reason. :(
It really should, but I haven't touched ipf/ipnat on this box in so long I might have something setup incorrectly (i used to do exactly this).
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:12 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Dude, there is no server. Let me explain :)
My ISP offers non-public IPs, so that's NAT one one - no way to forward a port.
Then I got a router, doing the local NATing, NAT two. Sure i could forward a port, but it ain't gonna help as the packets will never get to me from the ISP.
So I figure I connect out to you via OpenVPN, get a static IP x.x.x.x and then point my bridge at your static IP y.y.y.y (both of these are on the VPN), and you do vice versa.
Sound reasonable?
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:09, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It might come to that but what I'm attempting to do now is make you a bit more autonomous. If all goes according to plan (and so far it isn't) i'll be redirecting ports on my IP directly to your server.
If this doesn't work I'll just setup the bridge for you to relay through.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 11:56 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
And then my assumption is that I get a static IP (non-routable, of course) for my side and we point our bridges at each other over UDP?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 18:31, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It doesn't really matter I don't think. The OpenVPN config file is the same no matter where you use it.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 10:50 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I can run it from both an OS X box or Linux?
Which is easier to configure?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I should have some time today. Let me take a quick look at it and see. I can simulate your setup so I can test it here before passing it off to you
-brian
On 8/8/2012 9:19 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Brian,
When would be a good time to set up this OpenVPN thing for you?
Let me know.
Sampsa
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:43, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm game - never set it up on a Linux box before, though
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:13, Brian Hechinger wrote:
A possible option would be to setup an OpenVPN tunnel somewhere to go through. Maybe not pretty, but it'll work.
If you want to try that email me off list and we can set it up on my colo box.
-brian
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:00, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 6 Aug 2012, at 20:07, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ah well, I could go on... Suffice to say that it's not because I'm opposed to the features that a TCP connection, or DNS resolution would give, but I prioritize something that I feel confident is working to features. And doing a proper solution with all these aspects is more work than I have cared to put into it. The bridge program is a hack.
As Paul mention, pthreads would probably be a good start if you want to do something more intelligent. You need to start thinking asynchronously.
My desire for this is basically because my ISP is NAT'd to hell - I have no way of getting UDP packets back to my network, as the ISP gives me a non-routable address.
Why go with this ISP? Well it's about 3x faster than the DSL I can get in the sticks over a 3G signal, with unlimited bandwidth and usage.
But sucks for HECnet..
Sampsa
<sampsa.tar>
What does 'openvpn --version' report?
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:40 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
$ openvpn --config /Users/kermit/brianvpn/openvpn.conf
Unrecognized option or missing parameter(s) in /Users/kermit/brianvpn/openvpn.conf:16: client
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:36, Brian Hechinger wrote:
ok, this should be all you need.
you'll need to tweak openvpn.conf to point to the ssl certificates (wherever you end up putting them) and then simply run 'openvpn --config /path/to/openvpn.conf'
you should be 10.42.3.2 and my end will be 10.42.3.1
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:27 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Thanks dude. Send me the connection details.
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:27, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, everything IP goes over VPN.
Ok, you win. I'll setup the bridge. :)
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:26 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Well I was thinking something simpler:
You set up a VPN server on your end to listen to connections.
I connect to your VPN server.
Let's say I get IP 10.0.01, your bridge is on 10.0.0.2.
I then just point my bridge at 10.0.0.2:4711, you point yours at the 10.0.0.1:4711.
UDP goes over VPN?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:16, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, that's an option, but here is what I was thinking.
You connect via openvpn to me. I redirect a port on my IP to go to yours.
For example, my server is 208.85.173.157. My end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.1 and your end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.2.
I had a nat rule that takes tcp port 9022 from 208.85.173.157 and redirects it to 10.42.3.2 port 22.
What this would allow you to do is ssh to 208.85.173.157:9022 and get directly connected to whatever is running openvpn on your end.
In theory.
In reality, it's not working for some reason. :(
It really should, but I haven't touched ipf/ipnat on this box in so long I might have something setup incorrectly (i used to do exactly this).
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:12 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Dude, there is no server. Let me explain :)
My ISP offers non-public IPs, so that's NAT one one - no way to forward a port.
Then I got a router, doing the local NATing, NAT two. Sure i could forward a port, but it ain't gonna help as the packets will never get to me from the ISP.
So I figure I connect out to you via OpenVPN, get a static IP x.x.x.x and then point my bridge at your static IP y.y.y.y (both of these are on the VPN), and you do vice versa.
Sound reasonable?
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:09, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It might come to that but what I'm attempting to do now is make you a bit more autonomous. If all goes according to plan (and so far it isn't) i'll be redirecting ports on my IP directly to your server.
If this doesn't work I'll just setup the bridge for you to relay through.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 11:56 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
And then my assumption is that I get a static IP (non-routable, of course) for my side and we point our bridges at each other over UDP?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 18:31, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It doesn't really matter I don't think. The OpenVPN config file is the same no matter where you use it.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 10:50 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I can run it from both an OS X box or Linux?
Which is easier to configure?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I should have some time today. Let me take a quick look at it and see. I can simulate your setup so I can test it here before passing it off to you
-brian
On 8/8/2012 9:19 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Brian,
When would be a good time to set up this OpenVPN thing for you?
Let me know.
Sampsa
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:43, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm game - never set it up on a Linux box before, though
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:13, Brian Hechinger wrote:
A possible option would be to setup an OpenVPN tunnel somewhere to go through. Maybe not pretty, but it'll work.
If you want to try that email me off list and we can set it up on my colo box.
-brian
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:00, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 6 Aug 2012, at 20:07, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ah well, I could go on... Suffice to say that it's not because I'm opposed to the features that a TCP connection, or DNS resolution would give, but I prioritize something that I feel confident is working to features. And doing a proper solution with all these aspects is more work than I have cared to put into it. The bridge program is a hack.
As Paul mention, pthreads would probably be a good start if you want to do something more intelligent. You need to start thinking asynchronously.
My desire for this is basically because my ISP is NAT'd to hell - I have no way of getting UDP packets back to my network, as the ISP gives me a non-routable address.
Why go with this ISP? Well it's about 3x faster than the DSL I can get in the sticks over a 3G signal, with unlimited bandwidth and usage.
But sucks for HECnet..
Sampsa
<sampsa.tar>
Got a copy of the bridge? Update seems to be unavailable.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:27 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Thanks dude. Send me the connection details.
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:27, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, everything IP goes over VPN.
Ok, you win. I'll setup the bridge. :)
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:26 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Well I was thinking something simpler:
You set up a VPN server on your end to listen to connections.
I connect to your VPN server.
Let's say I get IP 10.0.01, your bridge is on 10.0.0.2.
I then just point my bridge at 10.0.0.2:4711, you point yours at the 10.0.0.1:4711.
UDP goes over VPN?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:16, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, that's an option, but here is what I was thinking.
You connect via openvpn to me. I redirect a port on my IP to go to yours.
For example, my server is 208.85.173.157. My end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.1 and your end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.2.
I had a nat rule that takes tcp port 9022 from 208.85.173.157 and redirects it to 10.42.3.2 port 22.
What this would allow you to do is ssh to 208.85.173.157:9022 and get directly connected to whatever is running openvpn on your end.
In theory.
In reality, it's not working for some reason. :(
It really should, but I haven't touched ipf/ipnat on this box in so long I might have something setup incorrectly (i used to do exactly this).
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:12 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Dude, there is no server. Let me explain :)
My ISP offers non-public IPs, so that's NAT one one - no way to forward a port.
Then I got a router, doing the local NATing, NAT two. Sure i could forward a port, but it ain't gonna help as the packets will never get to me from the ISP.
So I figure I connect out to you via OpenVPN, get a static IP x.x.x.x and then point my bridge at your static IP y.y.y.y (both of these are on the VPN), and you do vice versa.
Sound reasonable?
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:09, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It might come to that but what I'm attempting to do now is make you a bit more autonomous. If all goes according to plan (and so far it isn't) i'll be redirecting ports on my IP directly to your server.
If this doesn't work I'll just setup the bridge for you to relay through.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 11:56 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
And then my assumption is that I get a static IP (non-routable, of course) for my side and we point our bridges at each other over UDP?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 18:31, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It doesn't really matter I don't think. The OpenVPN config file is the same no matter where you use it.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 10:50 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I can run it from both an OS X box or Linux?
Which is easier to configure?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I should have some time today. Let me take a quick look at it and see. I can simulate your setup so I can test it here before passing it off to you
-brian
On 8/8/2012 9:19 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Brian,
When would be a good time to set up this OpenVPN thing for you?
Let me know.
Sampsa
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:43, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm game - never set it up on a Linux box before, though
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:13, Brian Hechinger wrote:
A possible option would be to setup an OpenVPN tunnel somewhere to go through. Maybe not pretty, but it'll work.
If you want to try that email me off list and we can set it up on my colo box.
-brian
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:00, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 6 Aug 2012, at 20:07, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ah well, I could go on... Suffice to say that it's not because I'm opposed to the features that a TCP connection, or DNS resolution would give, but I prioritize something that I feel confident is working to features. And doing a proper solution with all these aspects is more work than I have cared to put into it. The bridge program is a hack.
As Paul mention, pthreads would probably be a good start if you want to do something more intelligent. You need to start thinking asynchronously.
My desire for this is basically because my ISP is NAT'd to hell - I have no way of getting UDP packets back to my network, as the ISP gives me a non-routable address.
Why go with this ISP? Well it's about 3x faster than the DSL I can get in the sticks over a 3G signal, with unlimited bandwidth and usage.
But sucks for HECnet..
Sampsa
ok, this should be all you need.
you'll need to tweak openvpn.conf to point to the ssl certificates (wherever you end up putting them) and then simply run 'openvpn --config /path/to/openvpn.conf'
you should be 10.42.3.2 and my end will be 10.42.3.1
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:27 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Thanks dude. Send me the connection details.
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:27, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, everything IP goes over VPN.
Ok, you win. I'll setup the bridge. :)
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:26 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Well I was thinking something simpler:
You set up a VPN server on your end to listen to connections.
I connect to your VPN server.
Let's say I get IP 10.0.01, your bridge is on 10.0.0.2.
I then just point my bridge at 10.0.0.2:4711, you point yours at the 10.0.0.1:4711.
UDP goes over VPN?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:16, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, that's an option, but here is what I was thinking.
You connect via openvpn to me. I redirect a port on my IP to go to yours.
For example, my server is 208.85.173.157. My end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.1 and your end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.2.
I had a nat rule that takes tcp port 9022 from 208.85.173.157 and redirects it to 10.42.3.2 port 22.
What this would allow you to do is ssh to 208.85.173.157:9022 and get directly connected to whatever is running openvpn on your end.
In theory.
In reality, it's not working for some reason. :(
It really should, but I haven't touched ipf/ipnat on this box in so long I might have something setup incorrectly (i used to do exactly this).
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:12 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Dude, there is no server. Let me explain :)
My ISP offers non-public IPs, so that's NAT one one - no way to forward a port.
Then I got a router, doing the local NATing, NAT two. Sure i could forward a port, but it ain't gonna help as the packets will never get to me from the ISP.
So I figure I connect out to you via OpenVPN, get a static IP x.x.x.x and then point my bridge at your static IP y.y.y.y (both of these are on the VPN), and you do vice versa.
Sound reasonable?
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:09, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It might come to that but what I'm attempting to do now is make you a bit more autonomous. If all goes according to plan (and so far it isn't) i'll be redirecting ports on my IP directly to your server.
If this doesn't work I'll just setup the bridge for you to relay through.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 11:56 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
And then my assumption is that I get a static IP (non-routable, of course) for my side and we point our bridges at each other over UDP?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 18:31, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It doesn't really matter I don't think. The OpenVPN config file is the same no matter where you use it.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 10:50 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I can run it from both an OS X box or Linux?
Which is easier to configure?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I should have some time today. Let me take a quick look at it and see. I can simulate your setup so I can test it here before passing it off to you
-brian
On 8/8/2012 9:19 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Brian,
When would be a good time to set up this OpenVPN thing for you?
Let me know.
Sampsa
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:43, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm game - never set it up on a Linux box before, though
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:13, Brian Hechinger wrote:
A possible option would be to setup an OpenVPN tunnel somewhere to go through. Maybe not pretty, but it'll work.
If you want to try that email me off list and we can set it up on my colo box.
-brian
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:00, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 6 Aug 2012, at 20:07, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ah well, I could go on... Suffice to say that it's not because I'm opposed to the features that a TCP connection, or DNS resolution would give, but I prioritize something that I feel confident is working to features. And doing a proper solution with all these aspects is more work than I have cared to put into it. The bridge program is a hack.
As Paul mention, pthreads would probably be a good start if you want to do something more intelligent. You need to start thinking asynchronously.
My desire for this is basically because my ISP is NAT'd to hell - I have no way of getting UDP packets back to my network, as the ISP gives me a non-routable address.
Why go with this ISP? Well it's about 3x faster than the DSL I can get in the sticks over a 3G signal, with unlimited bandwidth and usage.
But sucks for HECnet..
Sampsa
Yeah, everything IP goes over VPN.
Ok, you win. I'll setup the bridge. :)
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:26 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Well I was thinking something simpler:
You set up a VPN server on your end to listen to connections.
I connect to your VPN server.
Let's say I get IP 10.0.01, your bridge is on 10.0.0.2.
I then just point my bridge at 10.0.0.2:4711, you point yours at the 10.0.0.1:4711.
UDP goes over VPN?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:16, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, that's an option, but here is what I was thinking.
You connect via openvpn to me. I redirect a port on my IP to go to yours.
For example, my server is 208.85.173.157. My end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.1 and your end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.2.
I had a nat rule that takes tcp port 9022 from 208.85.173.157 and redirects it to 10.42.3.2 port 22.
What this would allow you to do is ssh to 208.85.173.157:9022 and get directly connected to whatever is running openvpn on your end.
In theory.
In reality, it's not working for some reason. :(
It really should, but I haven't touched ipf/ipnat on this box in so long I might have something setup incorrectly (i used to do exactly this).
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:12 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Dude, there is no server. Let me explain :)
My ISP offers non-public IPs, so that's NAT one one - no way to forward a port.
Then I got a router, doing the local NATing, NAT two. Sure i could forward a port, but it ain't gonna help as the packets will never get to me from the ISP.
So I figure I connect out to you via OpenVPN, get a static IP x.x.x.x and then point my bridge at your static IP y.y.y.y (both of these are on the VPN), and you do vice versa.
Sound reasonable?
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:09, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It might come to that but what I'm attempting to do now is make you a bit more autonomous. If all goes according to plan (and so far it isn't) i'll be redirecting ports on my IP directly to your server.
If this doesn't work I'll just setup the bridge for you to relay through.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 11:56 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
And then my assumption is that I get a static IP (non-routable, of course) for my side and we point our bridges at each other over UDP?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 18:31, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It doesn't really matter I don't think. The OpenVPN config file is the same no matter where you use it.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 10:50 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I can run it from both an OS X box or Linux?
Which is easier to configure?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I should have some time today. Let me take a quick look at it and see. I can simulate your setup so I can test it here before passing it off to you
-brian
On 8/8/2012 9:19 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Brian,
When would be a good time to set up this OpenVPN thing for you?
Let me know.
Sampsa
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:43, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm game - never set it up on a Linux box before, though
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:13, Brian Hechinger wrote:
A possible option would be to setup an OpenVPN tunnel somewhere to go through. Maybe not pretty, but it'll work.
If you want to try that email me off list and we can set it up on my colo box.
-brian
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:00, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 6 Aug 2012, at 20:07, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ah well, I could go on... Suffice to say that it's not because I'm opposed to the features that a TCP connection, or DNS resolution would give, but I prioritize something that I feel confident is working to features. And doing a proper solution with all these aspects is more work than I have cared to put into it. The bridge program is a hack.
As Paul mention, pthreads would probably be a good start if you want to do something more intelligent. You need to start thinking asynchronously.
My desire for this is basically because my ISP is NAT'd to hell - I have no way of getting UDP packets back to my network, as the ISP gives me a non-routable address.
Why go with this ISP? Well it's about 3x faster than the DSL I can get in the sticks over a 3G signal, with unlimited bandwidth and usage.
But sucks for HECnet..
Sampsa
Yeah, that's an option, but here is what I was thinking.
You connect via openvpn to me. I redirect a port on my IP to go to yours.
For example, my server is 208.85.173.157. My end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.1 and your end of the vpn tunnel is 10.42.3.2.
I had a nat rule that takes tcp port 9022 from 208.85.173.157 and redirects it to 10.42.3.2 port 22.
What this would allow you to do is ssh to 208.85.173.157:9022 and get directly connected to whatever is running openvpn on your end.
In theory.
In reality, it's not working for some reason. :(
It really should, but I haven't touched ipf/ipnat on this box in so long I might have something setup incorrectly (i used to do exactly this).
-brian
On 8/8/2012 12:12 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Dude, there is no server. Let me explain :)
My ISP offers non-public IPs, so that's NAT one one - no way to forward a port.
Then I got a router, doing the local NATing, NAT two. Sure i could forward a port, but it ain't gonna help as the packets will never get to me from the ISP.
So I figure I connect out to you via OpenVPN, get a static IP x.x.x.x and then point my bridge at your static IP y.y.y.y (both of these are on the VPN), and you do vice versa.
Sound reasonable?
On 8 Aug 2012, at 19:09, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It might come to that but what I'm attempting to do now is make you a bit more autonomous. If all goes according to plan (and so far it isn't) i'll be redirecting ports on my IP directly to your server.
If this doesn't work I'll just setup the bridge for you to relay through.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 11:56 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
And then my assumption is that I get a static IP (non-routable, of course) for my side and we point our bridges at each other over UDP?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 18:31, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It doesn't really matter I don't think. The OpenVPN config file is the same no matter where you use it.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 10:50 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I can run it from both an OS X box or Linux?
Which is easier to configure?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I should have some time today. Let me take a quick look at it and see. I can simulate your setup so I can test it here before passing it off to you
-brian
On 8/8/2012 9:19 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Brian,
When would be a good time to set up this OpenVPN thing for you?
Let me know.
Sampsa
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:43, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm game - never set it up on a Linux box before, though
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:13, Brian Hechinger wrote:
A possible option would be to setup an OpenVPN tunnel somewhere to go through. Maybe not pretty, but it'll work.
If you want to try that email me off list and we can set it up on my colo box.
-brian
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:00, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 6 Aug 2012, at 20:07, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ah well, I could go on... Suffice to say that it's not because I'm opposed to the features that a TCP connection, or DNS resolution would give, but I prioritize something that I feel confident is working to features. And doing a proper solution with all these aspects is more work than I have cared to put into it. The bridge program is a hack.
As Paul mention, pthreads would probably be a good start if you want to do something more intelligent. You need to start thinking asynchronously.
My desire for this is basically because my ISP is NAT'd to hell - I have no way of getting UDP packets back to my network, as the ISP gives me a non-routable address.
Why go with this ISP? Well it's about 3x faster than the DSL I can get in the sticks over a 3G signal, with unlimited bandwidth and usage.
But sucks for HECnet..
Sampsa
It might come to that but what I'm attempting to do now is make you a bit more autonomous. If all goes according to plan (and so far it isn't) i'll be redirecting ports on my IP directly to your server.
If this doesn't work I'll just setup the bridge for you to relay through.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 11:56 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
And then my assumption is that I get a static IP (non-routable, of course) for my side and we point our bridges at each other over UDP?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 18:31, Brian Hechinger wrote:
It doesn't really matter I don't think. The OpenVPN config file is the same no matter where you use it.
-brian
On 8/8/2012 10:50 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I can run it from both an OS X box or Linux?
Which is easier to configure?
Sampsa
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I should have some time today. Let me take a quick look at it and see. I can simulate your setup so I can test it here before passing it off to you
-brian
On 8/8/2012 9:19 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Brian,
When would be a good time to set up this OpenVPN thing for you?
Let me know.
Sampsa
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:43, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm game - never set it up on a Linux box before, though
On 6 Aug 2012, at 23:13, Brian Hechinger wrote:
A possible option would be to setup an OpenVPN tunnel somewhere to go through. Maybe not pretty, but it'll work.
If you want to try that email me off list and we can set it up on my colo box.
-brian
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:00, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 6 Aug 2012, at 20:07, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ah well, I could go on... Suffice to say that it's not because I'm opposed to the features that a TCP connection, or DNS resolution would give, but I prioritize something that I feel confident is working to features. And doing a proper solution with all these aspects is more work than I have cared to put into it. The bridge program is a hack.
As Paul mention, pthreads would probably be a good start if you want to do something more intelligent. You need to start thinking asynchronously.
My desire for this is basically because my ISP is NAT'd to hell - I have no way of getting UDP packets back to my network, as the ISP gives me a non-routable address.
Why go with this ISP? Well it's about 3x faster than the DSL I can get in the sticks over a 3G signal, with unlimited bandwidth and usage.
But sucks for HECnet..
Sampsa
