On Mon, 19 May 2014, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Since you are obviously using either V05.06 or V05.07
Yup. 5.07. It has Mentec branding!
(only the last two versions of RT-11 have the RT11ZM
Monitor), you can use the VRUN command to support
giving LINK all 64 KB of memory. Naturally, you
will probably need at least 256 KB of total physical
memory on even a PDP-11/23 (to run RT11XM as well as
to provide the needed extended memory to provide
LINK with the full 64 KB to run in) although 128 KB
might do in a pinch depending on which device you use
for the system device.
Thanks. I'll look in to VRUN.
NOTE that a PDP-11/23 does not have the IOPAGE MMU
registers to support RT11ZM (which you probably already
know or have found out).
Yup. ;)
Let me know if the VRUN command works. There are more
things to try if that does not work.
Will do. Currently stuck in standalone mkfs trying to write to a separate disk. Will head down and reset shortly.
If you insist on using RT11FB and that does not work,
then try RT11SB which may take less memory. If that
is insufficient, go back to an earlier version of RT-11
and try RT11SJ.
TSX+ has to be started from SB/SJ/FB iirc.
Otherwise, LINK has a few options to expand the Symbol
Table size. If you don't have access to the LINK chapter,
let me know and I can look it up.
Thanks!
It sounds like you are trying to LINK TSX-Plus which
does require a HUGE Symbol Table. If possible, have
only the system device driver loaded if not using RT11XM
(which will allow you to use VRUN which will use extended
memory, so low memory will not matter).
Otherwise, if you have a TSX-Plus configuration already
available, switch to that to perform your LINK.
Jerome Fine
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>Cory Smelosky wrote:
Afternoon,
I have a quick RT-11 question hopefully someone can help with without me needing the skim the entire linker manual. ;)
Would ?LINK-F-Symbol table overflow be a result of monitor configuration constraints, memory constraints, or something else? I've linked TSX+ in SIMH fine so I have no idea why it's failing on the real 11/23. I think I had linked it under the ZM monitor in SIMH though...not XM.
Since you are obviously using either V05.06 or V05.07
(only the last two versions of RT-11 have the RT11ZM
Monitor), you can use the VRUN command to support
giving LINK all 64 KB of memory. Naturally, you
will probably need at least 256 KB of total physical
memory on even a PDP-11/23 (to run RT11XM as well as
to provide the needed extended memory to provide
LINK with the full 64 KB to run in) although 128 KB
might do in a pinch depending on which device you use
for the system device.
NOTE that a PDP-11/23 does not have the IOPAGE MMU
registers to support RT11ZM (which you probably already
know or have found out).
Let me know if the VRUN command works. There are more
things to try if that does not work.
If you insist on using RT11FB and that does not work,
then try RT11SB which may take less memory. If that
is insufficient, go back to an earlier version of RT-11
and try RT11SJ.
Otherwise, LINK has a few options to expand the Symbol
Table size. If you don't have access to the LINK chapter,
let me know and I can look it up.
It sounds like you are trying to LINK TSX-Plus which
does require a HUGE Symbol Table. If possible, have
only the system device driver loaded if not using RT11XM
(which will allow you to use VRUN which will use extended
memory, so low memory will not matter).
Otherwise, if you have a TSX-Plus configuration already
available, switch to that to perform your LINK.
Jerome Fine
Since it is 33 years ago since I linked something on RT-11 it's probably better to keep my mouth shut...
Use /P:n to correct for symbol table overflow.
Supply a value n>170 (decimal)
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Onderwerp: [HECnet] Quick RT-11 question
Afternoon,
I have a quick RT-11 question hopefully someone can help with without me
needing the skim the entire linker manual. ;)
Would ?LINK-F-Symbol table overflow be a result of monitor configuration
constraints, memory constraints, or something else? I've linked TSX+ in
SIMH fine so I have no idea why it's failing on the real 11/23. I think I
had linked it under the ZM monitor in SIMH though...not XM.
--
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Afternoon,
I have a quick RT-11 question hopefully someone can help with without me needing the skim the entire linker manual. ;)
Would ?LINK-F-Symbol table overflow be a result of monitor configuration constraints, memory constraints, or something else? I've linked TSX+ in SIMH fine so I have no idea why it's failing on the real 11/23. I think I had linked it under the ZM monitor in SIMH though...not XM.
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If anyone come across DECnet-IAS or DEcnet -11D while looking for the elusive DECnet-RT11, let me know...
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-----Original Message----- From: Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:04 AM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] RT-11 DECnet?
On Sun, 18 May 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
Cory, when you find DECnet for rt11, can I have a copy? I know it's phase 3 only but it would be nice on a simh system to have.
Certainly. The hard part is FINDING it. ;)
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Ah, yes, I know :-)
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] RT-11 DECnet?
On Sun, 18 May 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
Cory, when you find DECnet for rt11, can I have a copy? I know it's phase 3 only but it would be nice on a simh system to have.
Certainly. The hard part is FINDING it. ;)
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On Sun, 18 May 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
Cory, when you find DECnet for rt11, can I have a copy? I know it's phase 3 only but it would be nice on a simh system to have.
Certainly. The hard part is FINDING it. ;)
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Cory, when you find DECnet for rt11, can I have a copy? I know it's phase 3 only but it would be nice on a simh system to have.
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Onderwerp: [HECnet] RT-11 DECnet?
Hello,
Now that I've gotten RT-11 rolling on the 11/23...is there any way to get
DECnet rolling on it? I can't find a tape image anywhere. :(
If I'm going to get stuff copied to this...it's going to help to have
higher than 9600baud going for me. ;)
I suppose I could install the TCP/IP stuff but I've never actually done
that. Would TSX+ run on an 11/23?
Once my cleaning tapes arrive I'm going to install RSTS/E from one
of my DDS-3 tapes via SCSI drive. ;) (Here's hoping the bootstrap on the
SCSI controller does TMSCP bootstrap!)
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I have one. Never used it though. What's wrong with it?
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Onderwerp: Re: [DECtec] [HECnet] TK50 issues
On Sat, 17 May 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Agreed with the operation being confusing. ;)
I think I'm going to end up just cleaning a DAT drive and shoving RSTS/E
install media on that.
I have Exabyte, DDS-3 and TK50 on my PDP-11 at home. I never use the
TK50. :-)
Hopefully, your Exabyte isn't the 8200. ;)
Speaking of the Exabyte 8200...I just found an exabyte 8200 in my MVIII.
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I think so too. Methanol is a very good solvent, but not necessarily originele to its acidity. HF is a weak acid but may be stored in very few other materials, not even in glass.
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] TK50 issues
it's a good point - I just looked and it's not that different from water.
But, I've seen fuel systems that ran on pure methanol corroded pretty
quickly if they weren't cleaned out after a run. I guess the corrosion is
enhanced in methanol by effects on the surface layer of metals like aluminum
and magnesium, that depend on a surface layer to halt corrosion.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Vlems
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:31 PM
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Lee, have you looked up the pKa for methanol?
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] TK50 issues
Methanol would do as well but is more poisonous.
Careful with methanol - it's a more potent solvent in general than ethanol
or isopropanol. Lots of rubber and plastic compounds are attacked by
methanol.
Additionally, the H in the OH group isn't held onto as tightly as in the
other organic OH compounds, so methanol is corrosive to metal.
It's also a middlin' good oxidizer for some metals.
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