Terminal.app seems to have worked fine for the last 6 years or so for me :)
What is the single show-stopping bug in Terminal.app that should make me move over to xTerm?
(iTerm is buggy, I grant you that, but it has better keyboard remapping feature, but it turns out I don't need them)
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:44, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-05 19:03, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Actually forget, xterm is unusable, even basic copy-paste between OS X apps and xterm doesn't work.
It works just fine.
I'll hack out a keyboard mapping later for a slightly more modern terminal.
Good luck with your buggy "modern" terminal.
Johnny
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:54, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
OK, xterm works pretty well after some investigation..
I've never before attempted to change the setting of an old-skool X program and it looks like an absolute nightmare. Could any of you gurus produce an .xtermrc with a beige background and black text and font size set to 14?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
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Yeah, that's what I've been following.
It lists escape sequences, that aren't working for some reason with my terminal program.
So I'm going to try to send them as hex strings instead. Anybody happen to have a list of these control chars in hex?
Actually, anyone with an Xterm
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 02:16, G ran hling <ahling at eadc.se> wrote:
http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt220-rm/
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
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/G ran
Does this resize the terminal window when you resize the window on OS X?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:43, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-05 18:13, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
Everything works correct for me.
I don't have any .xtermrc. Didn't even know it used one...
However, I start xterm with the following:
---8<---
#!/bin/tcsh
unsetenv LC_CTYPE
unsetenv LANG
xterm +sf +sp -aw -ut -132 -ti vt220 -sb -sl 500 -name rsx &
---8<---
And my X resources:
iMac:/Users/bqt> cat .Xresources
! *.hold: true
*.vt100.decTerminalID: 220
*.vt100.c132: true
! *.vt100.deleteIsDEL: true
*.vt100.saveLines: 1000
*.ptyInitialErase: true
*.backarrowKeyIsErase: true
*.backarrowKey: false
*.sunKeyboard: true
*.rightScrollBar: true
xterm.vt100.activeIcon: false
xterm.vt100.multiScroll: true
local.utmpInhibit: false
local.title: Terminal
local.vt100.loginShell: false
local.vt100.scrollBar: true
remote.utmpInhibit: false
remote.title: Terminal
remote.vt100.loginShell: true
remote.vt100.scrollBar: true
xunix.utmpInhibit: true
xunix.title: Xunix terminal
xunix.vt100.loginShell: false
xunix.vt100.scrollBar: true
rsx.utmpInhibit: true
rsx.title: RSX terminal
rsx.vt100.loginShell: false
rsx.vt100.scrollBar: true
rsx.sunKeyboard: true
vms.utmpInhibit: true
vms.title: VMS terminal
vms.vt100.loginShell: false
vms.vt100.scrollBar: true
iMac:/Users/bqt>
Johnny
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:40, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-05 18:01, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, thinking of going that route, even though Xterm does look like crap and isn't really well integrated into the rest of OS X.
Looks like crap? Not sure I agree with that. It does not have a lot of eye candy and similar drivel. Instead it just looks like a terminal - which is what I think it should look like.
Ok, that's a tad harsh, but let's say it doesn't visually integrate well with the rest of the UI. If I didn't care about this stuff I wouldn't be on an OS X box, but seriously, the xterm UI is abysmal (Want to change the font or say background colour? Oh, edit .Xresources - WTF?!?).
Oh and there's so simple way of doing copy/cut/paste between it and other apps - I'll stick to Terminal.app / iTerm which (I just found out) support the keymappings out of the box too, probably because they used the same code base as xterm.
As for the sixel support, my bad,it wasn't Erik who wrote it, he's just been messing around with sixels a lot lately.
On 2014-01-05 19:03, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Actually forget, xterm is unusable, even basic copy-paste between OS X apps and xterm doesn't work.
It works just fine.
I'll hack out a keyboard mapping later for a slightly more modern terminal.
Good luck with your buggy "modern" terminal.
Johnny
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:54, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
OK, xterm works pretty well after some investigation..
I've never before attempted to change the setting of an old-skool X program and it looks like an absolute nightmare. Could any of you gurus produce an .xtermrc with a beige background and black text and font size set to 14?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2014-01-05 18:13, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
Everything works correct for me.
I don't have any .xtermrc. Didn't even know it used one...
However, I start xterm with the following:
---8<---
#!/bin/tcsh
unsetenv LC_CTYPE
unsetenv LANG
xterm +sf +sp -aw -ut -132 -ti vt220 -sb -sl 500 -name rsx &
---8<---
And my X resources:
iMac:/Users/bqt> cat .Xresources
! *.hold: true
*.vt100.decTerminalID: 220
*.vt100.c132: true
! *.vt100.deleteIsDEL: true
*.vt100.saveLines: 1000
*.ptyInitialErase: true
*.backarrowKeyIsErase: true
*.backarrowKey: false
*.sunKeyboard: true
*.rightScrollBar: true
xterm.vt100.activeIcon: false
xterm.vt100.multiScroll: true
local.utmpInhibit: false
local.title: Terminal
local.vt100.loginShell: false
local.vt100.scrollBar: true
remote.utmpInhibit: false
remote.title: Terminal
remote.vt100.loginShell: true
remote.vt100.scrollBar: true
xunix.utmpInhibit: true
xunix.title: Xunix terminal
xunix.vt100.loginShell: false
xunix.vt100.scrollBar: true
rsx.utmpInhibit: true
rsx.title: RSX terminal
rsx.vt100.loginShell: false
rsx.vt100.scrollBar: true
rsx.sunKeyboard: true
vms.utmpInhibit: true
vms.title: VMS terminal
vms.vt100.loginShell: false
vms.vt100.scrollBar: true
iMac:/Users/bqt>
Johnny
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2014-01-05 18:05, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
It's an X application. You either set parameters on the command line, or use the X resource database for it.
(man xrdb)
Besides, if you emulate a terminal from 1982, why would it not look like 1982?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2014-01-05 18:01, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, thinking of going that route, even though Xterm does look like crap and isn't really well integrated into the rest of OS X.
Looks like crap? Not sure I agree with that. It does not have a lot of eye candy and similar drivel. Instead it just looks like a terminal - which is what I think it should look like.
As a bonus, I'll get Erik's SIXEL support too..
Erik's? Who is Erik? I know of SIXEL support for xterm, and I believe I know the guy who wrote it, and his name is not Erik...
Or have two people done similar work at the same point in time?
Johnny
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Turns out iTerm 2 supports the same key mappings as xterm, out of the box.
Terminal.app does SORT of but is a bit random..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:03, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Actually forget, xterm is unusable, even basic copy-paste between OS X apps and xterm doesn't work.
I'll hack out a keyboard mapping later for a slightly more modern terminal.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:54, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
OK, xterm works pretty well after some investigation..
I've never before attempted to change the setting of an old-skool X program and it looks like an absolute nightmare. Could any of you gurus produce an .xtermrc with a beige background and black text and font size set to 14?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
Well actually I did not write the SIXEL support for XTerm,
but did write SIXEL support for gnuplot and the ZX81 emulator
(http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/zx81ce.html) to be used within XTerm.
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 07:01:24PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, thinking of going that route, even though Xterm does look like crap and isn't really well integrated into the rest of OS X.
As a bonus, I'll get Erik's SIXEL support too..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
