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Anybody know what happened to BITNET II?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Was reading some stuff and apparently the main protocol were ported to VAX _and_ made to work over IP? Anyone know what happened to this project? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

12 years

Config Details Required

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

That raises a good question. Which 1800 is it? -brian On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 09:33:00PM -0400, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! What is the difference between the 1811w and 1841 and the DEC whosis that Tim described? My trick knee (and everything else associated with Doctor Who, (Dave, Corey)) tells me that probably not much. ----- Oddly enough guys the Yetis surrounding both your places left for home, they were replaced by a crowd who spent the weekend last causing mayhem for a fellow enthusiast in NJ. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got images here I'm sure. -brian On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote: Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/** network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

12 years

Config Details Required

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! What is the difference between the 1811w and 1841 and the DEC whosis that Tim described? My trick knee (and everything else associated with Doctor Who, (Dave, Corey)) tells me that probably not much. ----- Oddly enough guys the Yetis surrounding both your places left for home, they were replaced by a crowd who spent the weekend last causing mayhem for a fellow enthusiast in NJ. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got images here I'm sure. -brian On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote: Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/** network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

12 years

Config Details Required

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got images here I'm sure. -brian On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote: Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/** network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

12 years

Config Details Required

by tim＠sneddon.id.au

Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

12 years

Config Details Required

by mark.darvill＠mac.com

On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

12 years

Slightly OT - USB serial controllers that work in Linux?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 09/10/2013 06:49 AM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: So I'm toying with the idea of putting a Raspberry Pi + LCD screen + = keyboard into an old Intertec (?) SuperBrain case, for use as a beefed = up terminal (basically have it boot Linux, run SIMH and load VMS or = something). Any of you guys got a recommendation as to what USB-serial adapter works = best in Linux? I have a KeySpan 19HS which works quite well with Linux. I also have an EdgePort/416 which works with both Linux and OpenVMS! EdgePort/416 => http://tinyurl.com/nqa78we Those EdgePort boxes also work on Sun Ray thin clients, showing up as serial devices on the host system. Very nice. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 1 month

Slightly OT - USB serial controllers that work in Linux?

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So I'm toying with the idea of putting a Raspberry Pi + LCD screen + keyboard into an old Intertec (?) SuperBrain case, for use as a beefed up terminal (basically have it boot Linux, run SIMH and load VMS or something). Any of you guys got a recommendation as to what USB-serial adapter works best in Linux? I have used two, both of which work fine with Linux on a PC: the FTDI "chip in the cable" adapters, and one made by TrippLite (sold at Staples). However, neither was recognized by my BeagleBone (which runs ARM Linux, ngstr m distribution). That may well be just a case of not having the right modules installed. I don't use Raspberry PI (I prefer the open hardware that I get with BB) but since it too is ARM the situation might be the same. Then again, BB also comes with a Ubuntu distribution, which might have the necessary USB modules included as standard. Finally, again on BB, there's an additional option: that device has 6 built-in UARTs, of which 5.5 are available on connectors (one on a 6-pin "debug" header, the rest on the 2x46 pin expansion connectors). Those are 3.3 volt logic levels, but you can get, or build, RS232 adapters for them. I just built a 4 port RS232 adapter, in fact. So with that, you don't need any USB devices at all and the stock small OS build is sufficient. paul

12 years, 1 month

Slightly OT - USB serial controllers that work in Linux?

by pechter＠gmail.com

Actually, I've had problems finding ones that won't work in Linux -- including the really cheap $8.00 ones of eBay. The ones that stopped working in Windows7 all still work in Linux. The ones with the FTDI chipset are supposed to be the most stable and best. http://www.ftdichip.com/FTDrivers.htm http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/DataSheets/Cables/DS_USB_RS232_CA… One vendor with that chipset appears to be: http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67&produ… -- d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now! pechter-at-gmail.com On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system at tmesis.com> wrote: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes: >So I'm toying with the idea of putting a Raspberry Pi + LCD screen + = >keyboard into an old Intertec (?) SuperBrain case, for use as a beefed = >up terminal (basically have it boot Linux, run SIMH and load VMS or = >something). > >Any of you guys got a recommendation as to what USB-serial adapter works = >best in Linux? I have a KeySpan 19HS which works quite well with Linux. I also have an EdgePort/416 which works with both Linux and OpenVMS! EdgePort/416 => http://tinyurl.com/nqa78we -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

12 years, 1 month

If you're in the US, check this out

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 10/09/2013 12:46, Mark Benson wrote: Would I be a mile out if I thought the CPU board was the same board they used in the PWS series Alpha/Pentium systems. They also used 21164s on a slot-in board with a sepsrate backplane board for ISA/PCI? Also anyone got any idea what OSs these run. I know some other DEC flavour industrial machines are restricted and won't run VMS? Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dec-Digital-Alpha-21164-500-Mhz-PICMG-DMCC-Indust… No bids and it's pretty low priced for now.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 -- Mark Benson It will run all DIGITAL operating systems. It is a Takara apparently. The ebay seller is really good - it came with a CD will all the original PDFs on. Regards, Mark.

12 years, 1 month

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