HECnet May 2013

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Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by bob＠jfcl.com

>I use Livingston Portmasters (like the 2e). Do you mean like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Livingston-Portmaster-2E-PM2E-24-port-Communication… It s a big guy, isn t it ?? Can it connect directly from one port to another? Bob

11 years, 6 months

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by fcoffey＠misernet.net

On Tue, 14 May 2013, Bob Armstrong wrote: like VMS or RSX. That means my console terminal would have to connect to a VAX, log in, and from there connect out again to the DECserver and the PDP-11 or 8 console port. Kinda complicated and ugly. If I'm understanding you correctly, that doesn't seem to be the case with my DECServer 90M that I have. I have MISER, THRIFTY (a linux box), and used to have FRUGAL's (when it was a physical VAX and not SIMH) consoles connected to the DECServer. Created services on the DECServer that allow me to connect to the console of any host from any other host. I have a VT525 attached to the terminal server and do not have to log in to a host first if I want a console. I have multisessions enabled, and use an "un-named" session on the terminal, and just connect to say "miser_con" service and BOOM there I am on MISER's console. You can even password protect services if you wish. Is this what you are trying/wanting to do? ... or did I just bark up the wrong tree? Fred

11 years, 6 months

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by ploopster＠gmail.com

Mark Benson wrote: I looked into doing the same for my VT510. I found the DECserver 90TL does it but thry are rare. I have 2 frim Mark W but they are bith being petulant. Don't the 700 and 900 do it too? Peace... Sridhar

11 years, 6 months

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by md.benson＠gmail.com

I looked into doing the same for my VT510. I found the DECserver 90TL does it but thry are rare. I have 2 frim Mark W but they are bith being petulant. -- Mark Benson

11 years, 6 months

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by ian＠platinum.net

It doesn't have all of the features you're looking for, but I use Livingston Portmasters (like the 2e). It was originally used as a modem concentrator, but you can telnet into it and attach to any serial port (up to 30). They are usually found quite cheap on eBay. I used them extensively in the 90s when I owned a dial up ISP and if you need to know anything more about them, let me know. Ian Sent from my iPad On 2013-05-14, at 8:07 AM, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote: Guys Here s the situation I ve got several PDP11s and a couple of PDP8s and I want them all to be able to share a single console terminal. I could just use an old fashioned RS232 switch box, but I was looking for something better. For one thing, a smart switch that would actually buffer output from the unselected ports would be nice, and it d be nice to be able to change the selected port from the terminal keyboard. What d be idea is something like the multi session support that some of the later VTxxx terminals had, but with multiple physical ports and without any special host software. It d also be nice if I wasn t limited to just one physical console but I could use any terminal anywhere on the network too. I thought about using a DECserver in reverse LAT for this, but AFAIK the only way to connect to a DECserver in reverse is from a real host system, like VMS or RSX. That means my console terminal would have to connect to a VAX, log in, and from there connect out again to the DECserver and the PDP-11 or 8 console port. Kinda complicated and ugly. I don t think there s any way to have one terminal server connect directly to another terminal server w/o a host system in between, at least not with LAT. Telnet would be OK, if anybody can recommend a multi-port telnet terminal server that works in reverse. It d be especially cool if it can telnet to itself then I could just connect directly from one port on the server to another. Anyway, I was thinking that I can t be the only collector with a bunch of computers and room for only one console, so I thought I d ask what other people are using. Thanks, Bob --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here

11 years, 6 months

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by bob＠jfcl.com

Guys Here s the situation I ve got several PDP11s and a couple of PDP8s and I want them all to be able to share a single console terminal. I could just use an old fashioned RS232 switch box, but I was looking for something better. For one thing, a smart switch that would actually buffer output from the unselected ports would be nice, and it d be nice to be able to change the selected port from the terminal keyboard. What d be idea is something like the multi session support that some of the later VTxxx terminals had, but with multiple physical ports and without any special host software. It d also be nice if I wasn t limited to just one physical console but I could use any terminal anywhere on the network too. I thought about using a DECserver in reverse LAT for this, but AFAIK the only way to connect to a DECserver in reverse is from a real host system, like VMS or RSX. That means my console terminal would have to connect to a VAX, log in, and from there connect out again to the DECserver and the PDP-11 or 8 console port. Kinda complicated and ugly. I don t think there s any way to have one terminal server connect directly to another terminal server w/o a host system in between, at least not with LAT. Telnet would be OK, if anybody can recommend a multi-port telnet terminal server that works in reverse. It d be especially cool if it can telnet to itself then I could just connect directly from one port on the server to another. Anyway, I was thinking that I can t be the only collector with a bunch of computers and room for only one console, so I thought I d ask what other people are using. Thanks, Bob

11 years, 6 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM, G. <gerry77 at mail.com> wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 08:00:52 -0000, you wrote: Unfortunately it only /mostly/ works. MARLEY TOPS-10 03:23:12 CTY system 1 Connected to Node MARLEY(0) Line # 632 [Checking terminal type . . . found VT100] ..LOGIN 1,2 ..R OPR [CCPWFD Waiting for file daemon to start] %%TTY STOMPER - Starting And it stalls right there unless I repeatedly hit Ctrl/C... That happened to me more than once with some older pre-built monitors, then went away when I did my own install and build of 7.04, so I do not have a solution, and at the time I hadn't any knowledge about TOPS-10. That does not mean that now I'm very proficient on it, but... Upon further investigation, the problem is with OPR.EXE. It WILL NOT execute on my generated monitor. The one provided with TWONKY works fine though. ... Make sure that ORION and other Galaxy processes are all there and that none of them shows a "^C" or "TO" status (IIRC). Also compare processes between TWONKY and your installation and see if there are any differences. OPR is just a client that talks to a daemon process so maybe it just stalls because the daemon is not working, not responding, or not there. Compare contents of SYS:SYSJOB.INI too. HTH, Hello! We are discussing the concepts of running DECNET via TOPS over the implied serial connectors that are now available? Correct? The big problem is the circumstances behind it. You'd need to rebuild your entire monitor to support it, I believe. --- These problems are also Dave's fault as supplied by four dozen Yetis, and an equal amount of Cybernen. And not your fault completely Cory, outside of tempting the deities of the ceiling. (Now if that implied science fiction reference misses you please ask off list.) ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 6 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Tue, 14 May 2013 08:00:52 -0000, you wrote: Unfortunately it only /mostly/ works. MARLEY TOPS-10 03:23:12 CTY system 1 Connected to Node MARLEY(0) Line # 632 [Checking terminal type . . . found VT100] ..LOGIN 1,2 ..R OPR [CCPWFD Waiting for file daemon to start] %%TTY STOMPER - Starting And it stalls right there unless I repeatedly hit Ctrl/C... That happened to me more than once with some older pre-built monitors, then went away when I did my own install and build of 7.04, so I do not have a solution, and at the time I hadn't any knowledge about TOPS-10. That does not mean that now I'm very proficient on it, but... Upon further investigation, the problem is with OPR.EXE. It WILL NOT execute on my generated monitor. The one provided with TWONKY works fine though. ... Make sure that ORION and other Galaxy processes are all there and that none of them shows a "^C" or "TO" status (IIRC). Also compare processes between TWONKY and your installation and see if there are any differences. OPR is just a client that talks to a daemon process so maybe it just stalls because the daemon is not working, not responding, or not there. Compare contents of SYS:SYSJOB.INI too. HTH, G.

11 years, 6 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Tue, 14 May 2013 03:15:12 -0000, you wrote: Could this be related? *SYSTEM/SAVE/NOINITIAL/HASH:13K = /LOCALS - #COMMON,COMDEV,COMMOD,TOPS10/SEARCH- #/PATCH:200/COUNTERS/GO [LNKRLC Reloc. ctr. initial value current value limit value .LOW. 0 65125 330000 .HIGH. 340000 671326 734000 .CSUB. 330000 333466 340000 .INIT. 740000 766655 771000 .TWIC. 771000 772714 1000000 .XHGH. 2630000 2703030 2734000 .SYMS. 2000000 2000000 2630000 Absolute code loaded] EXIT It doesn't look like an error though...so I'm rather confused. I've read the other message saying to disregard this one, anyway the above is correct and I think is caused by the /COUNTERS switch. It's a status message because its text is enclosed in square brackets. Warning and error messages are preceded by "%" or "?" depending on their severity. HTH, :) G.

11 years, 6 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Mon, 13 May 2013, G. wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 00:27:49 +0200, you wrote: Well, here are the symbols: M.SNAM is the system name (apparently not related to DECnet) M.DNAM is the DECnet node name M.LNAM is te LAT (default?) service name M.DHOM is the DECnet area number (octal!) M.DNUM is the DECnet node number (octal!) Beware: the names are SIXBIT strings, so you must discover how to input SIXBIT vaules with FILDDT (I have no idea, probably it's something like <ESC>letter). Correction/update: the above symbols are only used during MONGEN, but then are equated to other ones inside the monitor sources. These are the equivalences: STANAM is the system name (apparently not related to DECnet) DCNNAM is the DECnet node name LATNAM is te LAT (default?) service name DCNHOM is the DECnet area number (octal!) DCNNUM is the DECnet node number (octal!) HTH, G. I have made progress! (I think) BOOT>dskb:system.exe [Loading from DSKB:SYSTEM.EXE[1,4]] MARLEY TOPS-10 13-May-13 Why reload: new Date: Time: It does however stall there... -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Could this be related? *SYSTEM/SAVE/NOINITIAL/HASH:13K = /LOCALS - #COMMON,COMDEV,COMMOD,TOPS10/SEARCH- #/PATCH:200/COUNTERS/GO [LNKRLC Reloc. ctr. initial value current value limit value .LOW. 0 65125 330000 .HIGH. 340000 671326 734000 .CSUB. 330000 333466 340000 .INIT. 740000 766655 771000 .TWIC. 771000 772714 1000000 .XHGH. 2630000 2703030 2734000 .SYMS. 2000000 2000000 2630000 Absolute code loaded] EXIT It doesn't look like an error though...so I'm rather confused. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Disregard. The monitor works now. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Unfortunately it only /mostly/ works. MARLEY TOPS-10 03:23:12 CTY system 1 Connected to Node MARLEY(0) Line # 632 [Checking terminal type . . . found VT100] ..LOGIN 1,2 ..R OPR [CCPWFD Waiting for file daemon to start] %%TTY STOMPER - Starting And it stalls right there unless I repeatedly hit Ctrl/C... -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Upon further investigation, the problem is with OPR.EXE. It WILL NOT execute on my generated monitor. The one provided with TWONKY works fine though. Will investigate further. Hopefully they left their MONGEN scripts laying around! -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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