HECnet May 2013

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by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 14 May 2013, G. wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:58:59 -0000, you wrote: It looks like I'm not linking something in to the monitor or not enabling a certain feature. It'd be helpful if TWONKY provided the output from the MONGEN dialogue... In one of your past messages I've seen the output of one of your MONGENs, but had no time to check it. The only thing I've noticed is that there seem to be no defaults provided by the program itself, or at least not in the help text. MONGEN for 7.04 monitors is somewhat different because it was simplified and made more clear, but the relevant settings are still all there. The following is the output in MIC format (that is an executable script) of my standard MONGEN which works flawlessy. I do not remember anymore where I took values from for parameters where no default is used, anyway it does its thing. I have not forgotten everything, so if you have questions try to ask me. :) Here it is: ..RUN MONGEN ;Write MONGEN.MIC (YES,NO) *Y ;MONGEN for 704 monitors ; ;MONGEN will generate any known TOPS-10 configuration. For information ;about which configurations are supported, please refer to the SPD. ; ;/HELP (PROMPT,SHORT,LONG) *PROMPT ;Which GEN (SYS,F) *SYS ;Output(DSK:SYSCNF.MAC) *DSK:SYSCNF.MAC ;DECsystem10 (KL,KS) *KL ;CPUs (1,1-6) *1 ;System name *T10 DECnet node DIECI ;CPU0 serial number (1-10000) *2034 ;Exclude monitor overhead from user run time (YES,NO) *YES ;EBOX/MBOX runtime accounting (YES,NO) *YES ;Exclude PI time from user runtime (YES,NO) *YES ;Account verification (YES,NO) *YES ;MOS memory (YES,NO) *YES ;Autoconfigured device options: ; Include SCA (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include Ethernet service (NO,YES,PROMPT) *YES ; Include SA10 device support (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include RP01/2/3 disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include Swapping drums (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include RS04/5 Massbus disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Prompt for RP0x/RM0x Massbus disks (NO,YES) *NO ; Include DX20/RP20 disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM02/TM03 magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *YES ; Include DX10/TX01/TX02 tapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include DX20/TX02 tapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM78/TU78/TU79 magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM10B magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TC10C magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include BA10/LP100 printers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CFE/LP20 printers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include XY10 plotters (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CR10 card readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CFE/CD20 card readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CP10/CP10D card punches (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include PC04 paper tape punches (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include PC04 paper tape readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ;Types of DTE service to load: ; Load ANF-10 DTE service (YES,NO) *NO ; Load IBMCOMM DTE service (YES,NO) *NO ; Load DECnet DTE service (YES,NO) *YES ; Configure old terminal scanners (NO,YES) *NO ; How many RSX-20F TTYs on CPU0 (0,0-128) *0 ; ; OPR octal line number (CTY,0-3) *CTY ; Data set lines * ; ;Number of Jobs (1-511) *120 ;Maximum pages of core for each job (0,0-16384) *0 ;Total amount of system core in K (512-4096) *4096 ;Number of real-time devices (0,0-77) *0 ;Allow jobs to be locked in core (YES,NO) *YES ;Guaranteed number of pages for unlocked jobs (0,0-16384) *10 ;Number of pages reserved for locking jobs in Exec Virtual Memory (10,0-?) *50 ;Number of high priority interrupt queues (0,0-15) *15 ;Meter (NO,YES) *NO ;KASER (NO,YES) *NO ;MPXSER (YES,NO) *YES ;PSISER (YES,NO) *YES ;IPCF (YES,NO) *YES ;ENQ/DEQ (YES,NO) *YES ;Disk sets (ALL) *ALL ;Configure non-autoconfigured hardware (NO,YES) *NO ;Number of PTYs (20,1-505) *20 ;Network software (YES,NO) *YES ;Node name *DIECI ;Number of remote TTYs (485,0-485) *485 ;ANF-10 software (YES,NO) *NO ;DECnet software (YES,NO) *YES ; Node name (DIECI) *DIECI ; Area number of central site (1,1-63) *1 ; Node number of central site (1,1-1023) *1010 ; Router type (ROUTING,NONROUTING) *NONROUTING ; Transmit password (DECNET20) * ; Remote terminals (YES,NO) *YES ;LAT software (YES,NO) *YES ; Node name (DIECI) *DIECI ; Number of circuits (20,1-100) *20 ; Service groups *0 ;Decimal "symbol,value" *MSGMAX,596 *%DLBSZ,1428 *%RTBSZ,1428 *%RTTM3,90000 ;90*1000 * ;Octal "symbol,value" *M.EDIT,1 *DSDRIC,0 * ;SIXBIT "symbol,value" * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel" for special devices * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel,no.-of-devices" * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel,highest-ac-to-save" * ;Type "ersatz-device,P,Pn,search-list-type" * ;Type "command-name,dispatch,flags,unique-bits,PRVTAB-name" *PATH,,RUNFLG,UNIQ.2, * ;Terminal class * ;Additional terminals for classes: ;Class to extend * ;System default terminal type (TTY) *TTY ;Which GEN (SYS,F) *F ;Output(DSK:F.MAC) *DSK:F.MAC ;Feature set (KL10,KS10) *KL10 ;Standard settings (YES,NO) *YES ;Which GEN (SYS,F) =^Z HTH, G. Are some of your specifically-defined decimal values and similar REQUIRED? I followed that MONGEN almost exactly and OPR.EXE STILL can't be run! -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by bob＠jfcl.com

Johnny Billquist wrote: .nft mim::du:[5,54]*eng*.sys/li Thanks - Dave already sent me V3.3A BL40. Is yours the same version? It's the same size .SYS file as Dave's. And FWIW, I can report that you can indeed define services on the DS200. I did manage to get it working as a console server for the PDPs, although it took a bit of fiddling to get all the settings right. Hint: be sure to define the port as ACCESS REMOTE. And it looks like you also have to set it to AUTOBAUD DISABLED even if you define a baud rate. Bob

11 years, 6 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:58:59 -0000, you wrote: It looks like I'm not linking something in to the monitor or not enabling a certain feature. It'd be helpful if TWONKY provided the output from the MONGEN dialogue... In one of your past messages I've seen the output of one of your MONGENs, but had no time to check it. The only thing I've noticed is that there seem to be no defaults provided by the program itself, or at least not in the help text. MONGEN for 7.04 monitors is somewhat different because it was simplified and made more clear, but the relevant settings are still all there. The following is the output in MIC format (that is an executable script) of my standard MONGEN which works flawlessy. I do not remember anymore where I took values from for parameters where no default is used, anyway it does its thing. I have not forgotten everything, so if you have questions try to ask me. :) Here it is: .RUN MONGEN ;Write MONGEN.MIC (YES,NO) *Y ;MONGEN for 704 monitors ; ;MONGEN will generate any known TOPS-10 configuration. For information ;about which configurations are supported, please refer to the SPD. ; ;/HELP (PROMPT,SHORT,LONG) *PROMPT ;Which GEN (SYS,F) *SYS ;Output(DSK:SYSCNF.MAC) *DSK:SYSCNF.MAC ;DECsystem10 (KL,KS) *KL ;CPUs (1,1-6) *1 ;System name *T10 DECnet node DIECI ;CPU0 serial number (1-10000) *2034 ;Exclude monitor overhead from user run time (YES,NO) *YES ;EBOX/MBOX runtime accounting (YES,NO) *YES ;Exclude PI time from user runtime (YES,NO) *YES ;Account verification (YES,NO) *YES ;MOS memory (YES,NO) *YES ;Autoconfigured device options: ; Include SCA (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include Ethernet service (NO,YES,PROMPT) *YES ; Include SA10 device support (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include RP01/2/3 disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include Swapping drums (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include RS04/5 Massbus disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Prompt for RP0x/RM0x Massbus disks (NO,YES) *NO ; Include DX20/RP20 disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM02/TM03 magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *YES ; Include DX10/TX01/TX02 tapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include DX20/TX02 tapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM78/TU78/TU79 magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM10B magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TC10C magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include BA10/LP100 printers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CFE/LP20 printers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include XY10 plotters (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CR10 card readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CFE/CD20 card readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CP10/CP10D card punches (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include PC04 paper tape punches (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include PC04 paper tape readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ;Types of DTE service to load: ; Load ANF-10 DTE service (YES,NO) *NO ; Load IBMCOMM DTE service (YES,NO) *NO ; Load DECnet DTE service (YES,NO) *YES ; Configure old terminal scanners (NO,YES) *NO ; How many RSX-20F TTYs on CPU0 (0,0-128) *0 ; ; OPR octal line number (CTY,0-3) *CTY ; Data set lines * ; ;Number of Jobs (1-511) *120 ;Maximum pages of core for each job (0,0-16384) *0 ;Total amount of system core in K (512-4096) *4096 ;Number of real-time devices (0,0-77) *0 ;Allow jobs to be locked in core (YES,NO) *YES ;Guaranteed number of pages for unlocked jobs (0,0-16384) *10 ;Number of pages reserved for locking jobs in Exec Virtual Memory (10,0-?) *50 ;Number of high priority interrupt queues (0,0-15) *15 ;Meter (NO,YES) *NO ;KASER (NO,YES) *NO ;MPXSER (YES,NO) *YES ;PSISER (YES,NO) *YES ;IPCF (YES,NO) *YES ;ENQ/DEQ (YES,NO) *YES ;Disk sets (ALL) *ALL ;Configure non-autoconfigured hardware (NO,YES) *NO ;Number of PTYs (20,1-505) *20 ;Network software (YES,NO) *YES ;Node name *DIECI ;Number of remote TTYs (485,0-485) *485 ;ANF-10 software (YES,NO) *NO ;DECnet software (YES,NO) *YES ; Node name (DIECI) *DIECI ; Area number of central site (1,1-63) *1 ; Node number of central site (1,1-1023) *1010 ; Router type (ROUTING,NONROUTING) *NONROUTING ; Transmit password (DECNET20) * ; Remote terminals (YES,NO) *YES ;LAT software (YES,NO) *YES ; Node name (DIECI) *DIECI ; Number of circuits (20,1-100) *20 ; Service groups *0 ;Decimal "symbol,value" *MSGMAX,596 *%DLBSZ,1428 *%RTBSZ,1428 *%RTTM3,90000 ;90*1000 * ;Octal "symbol,value" *M.EDIT,1 *DSDRIC,0 * ;SIXBIT "symbol,value" * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel" for special devices * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel,no.-of-devices" * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel,highest-ac-to-save" * ;Type "ersatz-device,P,Pn,search-list-type" * ;Type "command-name,dispatch,flags,unique-bits,PRVTAB-name" *PATH,,RUNFLG,UNIQ.2, * ;Terminal class * ;Additional terminals for classes: ;Class to extend * ;System default terminal type (TTY) *TTY ;Which GEN (SYS,F) *F ;Output(DSK:F.MAC) *DSK:F.MAC ;Feature set (KL10,KS10) *KL10 ;Standard settings (YES,NO) *YES ;Which GEN (SYS,F) =^Z HTH, G.

11 years, 6 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Tue, 14 May 2013 19:34:06 -0000, you wrote: ?Stopcode CCPNUL, type=STOP, on CPU0 at 14-May-113 15:31:03 CPU Status Block APRID = 660442,,350001 ERA = 000000,,000000 CONI APR, = 007760,,000000 CONI PI, = 000000,,000320 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060001 DATAI PAG, = 700100,,000004 AR ARX Data Word = 000000,,000000 IO Page Fail Word = 000000,,000000 SBUS Diags: CNTRLR FNC 0 FNC 1 000010 006000,,000000 000500,,000000 The following is the latest stopcode list available, and the most updated: http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10v704_docc/01/10,7/docupd/stopcd.mem.h… And it says: Name Module Type Message and Explanation ------ ------ ---- ------------------------------------------------ CCPNUL SYSINI STOP Cannot create PDB for NULL job Probably some value in your MONGEN is not correct, so your monitor cannot allocate something it needs. See my other message with my working MONGEN. HTH, G.

11 years, 6 months

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-14 18:02, Bob Armstrong wrote: The DS200 will do it just fine though. ... got a DECserver-200/MC - no problem there. Ummm, does anybody have the load software kit for VMS? I just plugged my DS200/MC in only to discover that I don't have the boot image for it. I forgot: .nft mim::du:[5,54]*eng*.sys/li Directory MIM::DU:[5,54] 14-MAY-13 21:56:41 PR0801ENG.SYS;1 378./378. C 21-AUG-01 01:42:37 SH1601ENG.SYS;2 1139./1139. C 17-MAY-12 06:38:41 MNENG1.SYS;1 1159./1159. 09-MAR-09 09:30:50 PS0801ENG.SYS;1 216./216. 18-JAN-11 15:08:25 Total of 2892./2892. Blocks in 4. Files Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

11 years, 6 months

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by bqt＠softjar.se

11 years, 6 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013, G. wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 08:00:52 -0000, you wrote: Unfortunately it only /mostly/ works. MARLEY TOPS-10 03:23:12 CTY system 1 Connected to Node MARLEY(0) Line # 632 [Checking terminal type . . . found VT100] ..LOGIN 1,2 ..R OPR [CCPWFD Waiting for file daemon to start] %%TTY STOMPER - Starting And it stalls right there unless I repeatedly hit Ctrl/C... That happened to me more than once with some older pre-built monitors, then went away when I did my own install and build of 7.04, so I do not have a solution, and at the time I hadn't any knowledge about TOPS-10. That does not mean that now I'm very proficient on it, but... I have the reverse issue, surprisingly. The monitor provided with TWONKY works fine, but my generated monitors do not work with it. Upon further investigation, the problem is with OPR.EXE. It WILL NOT execute on my generated monitor. The one provided with TWONKY works fine though. .... Make sure that ORION and other Galaxy processes are all there and that none of them shows a "^C" or "TO" status (IIRC). Also compare processes between TWONKY and your installation and see if there are any differences. It looks like I'm not linking something in to the monitor or not enabling a certain feature. It'd be helpful if TWONKY provided the output from the MONGEN dialogue... OPR is just a client that talks to a daemon process so maybe it just stalls because the daemon is not working, not responding, or not there. Compare contents of SYS:SYSJOB.INI too. HTH, G. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments http://pastebin.com/cAEXpme9 Not sure what I'm doing wrong as to what's keeping it from...doing anything. (I'm fairly certain what's happening is that it's not outputting to CTY) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Progress! DECnet works...but OPR.EXE still can't be run. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments ?Stopcode CCPNUL, type=STOP, on CPU0 at 14-May-113 15:31:03 CPU Status Block APRID = 660442,,350001 ERA = 000000,,000000 CONI APR, = 007760,,000000 CONI PI, = 000000,,000320 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060001 DATAI PAG, = 700100,,000004 AR ARX Data Word = 000000,,000000 IO Page Fail Word = 000000,,000000 SBUS Diags: CNTRLR FNC 0 FNC 1 000010 006000,,000000 000500,,000000 Anyone familiar enough with TOPS-10 OPCODES to tell me where this is crashing? This is right after loading the monitor and pressing GO. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013, G. wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 08:00:52 -0000, you wrote: Unfortunately it only /mostly/ works. MARLEY TOPS-10 03:23:12 CTY system 1 Connected to Node MARLEY(0) Line # 632 [Checking terminal type . . . found VT100] ..LOGIN 1,2 ..R OPR [CCPWFD Waiting for file daemon to start] %%TTY STOMPER - Starting And it stalls right there unless I repeatedly hit Ctrl/C... That happened to me more than once with some older pre-built monitors, then went away when I did my own install and build of 7.04, so I do not have a solution, and at the time I hadn't any knowledge about TOPS-10. That does not mean that now I'm very proficient on it, but... I have the reverse issue, surprisingly. The monitor provided with TWONKY works fine, but my generated monitors do not work with it. Upon further investigation, the problem is with OPR.EXE. It WILL NOT execute on my generated monitor. The one provided with TWONKY works fine though. .... Make sure that ORION and other Galaxy processes are all there and that none of them shows a "^C" or "TO" status (IIRC). Also compare processes between TWONKY and your installation and see if there are any differences. It looks like I'm not linking something in to the monitor or not enabling a certain feature. It'd be helpful if TWONKY provided the output from the MONGEN dialogue... OPR is just a client that talks to a daemon process so maybe it just stalls because the daemon is not working, not responding, or not there. Compare contents of SYS:SYSJOB.INI too. HTH, G. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments http://pastebin.com/cAEXpme9 Not sure what I'm doing wrong as to what's keeping it from...doing anything. (I'm fairly certain what's happening is that it's not outputting to CTY) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Progress! DECnet works...but OPR.EXE still can't be run. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013, Bob Armstrong wrote: Johnny Billquist wrote: But any terminal server can also setup a service. Fred wrote: Created services on the DECServer that allow me to connect to the console of any host from any other host. I didn't think a DECserver could do this (or at least not an old, stupid one like a 100 or 200). You guys are saying it can? I've done it fine on my DECserver 200/MC. She's smarter than you think. ;) I'll go dust off an old DECserver and plug it in, and then I'll give it a try. Bob -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! I'll say. I have a collection of 90L-Pluses here. Getting them to work is an interesting problem. I'm basically trying to find the rack that they use to enable a more normal Ethernet connection to them, but it's slow going. If you have a collection, i'll take one! ;) Also, did you ever get those SCSI controllers to work? ----- Dave don't do that. Stop staring. **Sounds of explosions are heard as something outside his building explodes covering the windows in green goo.** ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! Ran out of time for trying them out. I've poked the appropriate amount of time back into my schedule. So it'll be sooner. As for the numbers, only three of them. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 6 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013, G. wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 08:00:52 -0000, you wrote: Unfortunately it only /mostly/ works. MARLEY TOPS-10 03:23:12 CTY system 1 Connected to Node MARLEY(0) Line # 632 [Checking terminal type . . . found VT100] ..LOGIN 1,2 ..R OPR [CCPWFD Waiting for file daemon to start] %%TTY STOMPER - Starting And it stalls right there unless I repeatedly hit Ctrl/C... That happened to me more than once with some older pre-built monitors, then went away when I did my own install and build of 7.04, so I do not have a solution, and at the time I hadn't any knowledge about TOPS-10. That does not mean that now I'm very proficient on it, but... I have the reverse issue, surprisingly. The monitor provided with TWONKY works fine, but my generated monitors do not work with it. Upon further investigation, the problem is with OPR.EXE. It WILL NOT execute on my generated monitor. The one provided with TWONKY works fine though. .... Make sure that ORION and other Galaxy processes are all there and that none of them shows a "^C" or "TO" status (IIRC). Also compare processes between TWONKY and your installation and see if there are any differences. It looks like I'm not linking something in to the monitor or not enabling a certain feature. It'd be helpful if TWONKY provided the output from the MONGEN dialogue... OPR is just a client that talks to a daemon process so maybe it just stalls because the daemon is not working, not responding, or not there. Compare contents of SYS:SYSJOB.INI too. HTH, G. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments http://pastebin.com/cAEXpme9 Not sure what I'm doing wrong as to what's keeping it from...doing anything. (I'm fairly certain what's happening is that it's not outputting to CTY) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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