HECnet May 2013

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by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Wed, 15 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote: Awesome! What does it use for network device? paul On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Greetings all, Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread... I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420. You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you! I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though! Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;)) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! Isn't obvious? The invisible white mice that escaped from that daft company inside that daft town named for the Greek expression that really means "This bath water is too hot!". ---- Good going. Now why is a red monster wearing cheap sneakers pounding on the keyboard of the connected terminal? I had to summon some demons in order to get TOPS-10 working. It involved lots of dark magic... ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! That's why I presented those two almost obscure references. And everything that goes wrong today is still Dave's fault. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 15 May 2013, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky Sent: 15 May 2013 21:30 To: Paul_Koning Cc: hecnet Subject: Re: [HECnet] Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update On Wed, 15 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: Awesome! What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. I think it was Rob that was working on the requisite devices in SIMH...once he has those tweaked I can attempt this in simh. Yes, indeed I am, I was sent the code for a KMC/DUP device that I am adapting to the latest SIMH and also changing around a bit. I am running into a few problems, but nothing that won't be insurmountable (I hope!). It may take me a little while to get it done though. No rush! Good luck! Regards Rob paul On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Greetings all, Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread... I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420. You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you! I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though! Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;)) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky Sent: 15 May 2013 21:30 To: Paul_Koning Cc: hecnet Subject: Re: [HECnet] Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update On Wed, 15 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: Awesome! What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. I think it was Rob that was working on the requisite devices in SIMH...once he has those tweaked I can attempt this in simh. Yes, indeed I am, I was sent the code for a KMC/DUP device that I am adapting to the latest SIMH and also changing around a bit. I am running into a few problems, but nothing that won't be insurmountable (I hope!). It may take me a little while to get it done though. Regards Rob paul On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Greetings all, Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread... I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420. You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you! I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though! Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;)) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 15 May 2013, G. wrote: On Wed, 15 May 2013 08:51:55 -0000, you wrote: I still have less tasks than I should...but everything seems to work now! Which processes do you think you lack? Note that not all the system processes I wrote about yesterday have to be there. And other processes disappear when not needed (e.g. BATCON). You may want to paste here your SYSTAT output... Disregard, I made some changed to accounting and everything seems operational now. I can't SET KSYS, but every single other thing works! Status of MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR at 16:39:09 on 15-May-113 Uptime 43:17, 114% Null time = 114% Idle + 0% Lost, 1% Overhead 11 Jobs in use out of 120. 11 logged in, 8 detached. Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time 1 [OPR] DET751 MIC 5+15 SL 0 01 2 [OPR] CTY SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 0 3 [OPR] DET751 FILDAE 17 SL 0 4 [OPR] DET751 DAEMON 11+SPY HB 0 5 [OPR] DET751 ACTDAE 182+40 SL 0 6 [OPR] DET751 QUASAR 111+40 SL 0 7 [OPR] DET751 PULSAR 66+40 HB 0 8 [OPR] DET751 ORION 108+40 SL 0 9 [OPR] 751 5 ^C 0 10 400,400 4 4 ^C 0 11 400,400 DET5 REACT 102+40 ^C 0 n means job runs in HPQ n High Segments: Program Device Owner High(P) Users GLXLIB DSKB [SYS] 40 5 MIC DSKB [SYS] 15 1 Swapping space used = 655/9614 = 7% Virt. Core used = 689/9614 = 7% 6689P Core left Active swapping ratio = 23/7378 = .00 Virt. Core saved by sharing = 160/(160+689) = 19% Average job size =634/11 = 57.6P+215/11 = 19.5P Total=849/11 = 77.1P No busy devices System File Structures: Name Free Mount DSKA 195870 0 TSU 164700 0 DSKB 7490 2 Total Free 368060 G. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 15 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote: Awesome! What does it use for network device? paul On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Greetings all, Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread... I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420. You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you! I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though! Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;)) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! Isn't obvious? The invisible white mice that escaped from that daft company inside that daft town named for the Greek expression that really means "This bath water is too hot!". ---- Good going. Now why is a red monster wearing cheap sneakers pounding on the keyboard of the connected terminal? I had to summon some demons in order to get TOPS-10 working. It involved lots of dark magic... ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Wed, 15 May 2013 09:13:28 -0000, you wrote: I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420. Well done! :) You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you! Note that SET HOST to TOPS-10 is quite sluggish because the CTERM protocol behind it is very VMS centric, so does not adapt very well to the TOPS-10 terminal output primitives. The best thing to do is to use the follwing for every connection to non VMS hosts: $ SET HOST /APP=R nodename This forces VMS to use the older RTERM protocol instead of CTERM, and you'll see a very noticeable improvement in response times. Even better than LAT. Unfortunately, RTERM on OpenVMS Alpha V8.3 (and above?) is broken and throws an ACCVIO fatal error even before trying a connection. :( I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though! There is a section in SIG.MEM that explains very clearly and easily how to create a complete system backup on tape. Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;)) The problem with Simh is that it emulates a KS10 CPU without Ethernet... :P HTH, G. P.S. To setup passwords or add users just RUN REACT.

11 years, 6 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Wed, 15 May 2013 08:51:55 -0000, you wrote: I still have less tasks than I should...but everything seems to work now! Which processes do you think you lack? Note that not all the system processes I wrote about yesterday have to be there. And other processes disappear when not needed (e.g. BATCON). You may want to paste here your SYSTAT output... G.

11 years, 6 months

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

I just caught up on this thread. If you don't require LAT and want something smaller than the postmasters the Cisco 2509 routers work very well. -brian On May 14, 2013, at 12:07, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote: Guys Here s the situation I ve got several PDP11s and a couple of PDP8s and I want them all to be able to share a single console terminal. I could just use an old fashioned RS232 switch box, but I was looking for something better. For one thing, a smart switch that would actually buffer output from the unselected ports would be nice, and it d be nice to be able to change the selected port from the terminal keyboard. What d be idea is something like the multi session support that some of the later VTxxx terminals had, but with multiple physical ports and without any special host software. It d also be nice if I wasn t limited to just one physical console but I could use any terminal anywhere on the network too. I thought about using a DECserver in reverse LAT for this, but AFAIK the only way to connect to a DECserver in reverse is from a real host system, like VMS or RSX. That means my console terminal would have to connect to a VAX, log in, and from there connect out again to the DECserver and the PDP-11 or 8 console port. Kinda complicated and ugly. I don t think there s any way to have one terminal server connect directly to another terminal server w/o a host system in between, at least not with LAT. Telnet would be OK, if anybody can recommend a multi-port telnet terminal server that works in reverse. It d be especially cool if it can telnet to itself then I could just connect directly from one port on the server to another. Anyway, I was thinking that I can t be the only collector with a bunch of computers and room for only one console, so I thought I d ask what other people are using. Thanks, Bob

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote: Awesome! What does it use for network device? paul On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Greetings all, Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread... I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420. You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you! I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though! Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;)) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! Isn't obvious? The invisible white mice that escaped from that daft company inside that daft town named for the Greek expression that really means "This bath water is too hot!". ---- Good going. Now why is a red monster wearing cheap sneakers pounding on the keyboard of the connected terminal? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 15 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: Awesome! What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. I think it was Rob that was working on the requisite devices in SIMH...once he has those tweaked I can attempt this in simh. paul On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Greetings all, Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread... I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420. You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you! I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though! Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;)) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

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