On 3.7.2012 9:12, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 07/02/2012 11:02 PM, Gregg C Levine wrote:
Would anyone on the list recall when the first generation Vaxes were off and
running? For example I know that in the time frame when "Cuckoo's Egg"
happened we were right in the middle of the model series that DEC happened
to be building. But that the BSD release that ran on those was from the 4
series.
The first VAX was the VAX-11/780, which was announced in late 1977 and
shipped in early 1978, if memory serves. (if that was what you were
wondering about)
-Dave
Quite right.
Gregg, please check this:
http://www.dtjcd.vmsresource.org.uk/pdfs/dtj_v07-01_1995-insert.pdf
Kari
On 3 Jul 2012, at 02:57, Johnny Billquist wrote:
We are indeed drifting way off hecnet here. I think I'll continue this outside of the list.
I apologize for the drift as well...
This is why I have a general discussion list at DECtec.info :)
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On 07/02/2012 11:02 PM, Gregg C Levine wrote:
Would anyone on the list recall when the first generation Vaxes were off and
running? For example I know that in the time frame when "Cuckoo's Egg"
happened we were right in the middle of the model series that DEC happened
to be building. But that the BSD release that ran on those was from the 4
series.
The first VAX was the VAX-11/780, which was announced in late 1977 and
shipped in early 1978, if memory serves. (if that was what you were
wondering about)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Gregg C Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com>
wrote:
That Doctor Who book I mentioned
Did you mention the name of it? If so I missed it. What was it?
Tony
Hello!
I didn't mention it, the book's name is "Blue Box". Its one of the
Original Adventures for the Sixth Doctor and Peri. I did describe it
once probably, and that was during the original starter for the thread
we've got running.
Sampsa please don't feed the Yeti, they've been busy glomming food
from the vendors who largely feed tourists.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Gregg C Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
That Doctor Who book I mentioned
Did you mention the name of it? If so I missed it. What was it?
Tony
Hello!
Would anyone on the list recall when the first generation Vaxes were off and
running? For example I know that in the time frame when "Cuckoo's Egg"
happened we were right in the middle of the model series that DEC happened
to be building. But that the BSD release that ran on those was from the 4
series.
That Doctor Who book I mentioned has them running roughshod through the
early Internet, and largely colliding with UNIX on PDP11s, (I believe they
were supposed to be PDP11s, but they were not described, or named.) although
the author stuck an Eclipse in someone's home also running the same.
Interestingly enough I do know that UNIX came to DG rather late in life,
much later then the book took place. And even after the Eclipse that's
described there was first turned on.
----
Gregg C Levine
gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature does not exist!"
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-07-03 03:28, Phil Mendelsohn wrote:
On 12-07-02 03:09 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I have no problems calling -11M a redo of -11D. As far as I know, it was
not done by Cutler at DuPont, but something he did after starting at
DEC. But that is just what I gathered from reading various sources over
the years... I could very well be wrong.
-11M was entirely done at DEC. -11D was brought finished from DuPont,
and was AFAIK written single-handedly by Cutler. Source may or not
reflect this; in order to stamp 'digital' on it, there may have been a
new coat of paint.
Uh...? As far as I know, Dave Cutler was not involved in -11D. Are you
really sure about this? Also, DuPont writing -11D? RSX started as RSX-15 for
the PDP-15, at DEC. And that was around 1972 as well. How could DuPoint have
become involved and written RSX before then? I'm curious here...
DEC was headhunting around '72 - they picked up Cutler earlier because
of what he'd done at Du Pont on his own. My dad had done an OS for the
LINC-8 for the Psych dept. at Michigan State which got back to Central
Engineering through the Life Sciences people, so that's how he ended up
working with Cutler.
Cool.
And Cutler seems to have been quite a person to deal with already back
then. :-)
He didn't write -11M single handedly, but he read and signed off each
and every line of code in it. You probably know the story about how he
had a red ink stamp that said "Size Is Everything." If he could write
code tighter than what came across his desk, the proposed code was
returned to the sender with the stamp right across it. That's not
apocryphal.
I know he didn't write it single handedly, but he did write quite a lot of
it. Just read through the sources... His name is at the top in quite a few
places...
What isn't always told is that if you couldn't ever write tighter code
(two or three iterations), Cutler used his own - but didn't necessarily
take other names off it IIRC.
Dad was pretty full of himself when he successfully argued Cutler out of
2 *bits* in a register for the error logging subsystem. It wasn't
pigheadedness on either side, but you had to formally show something
couldn't be done with n-1 bits. Even for n=2. Absolute brutality when
it came to size.
Memory hasn't been such an issue for a long time now, and now I'm off
topic - sorry guys.
We are indeed drifting way off hecnet here. I think I'll continue this
outside of the list.
I apologize for the drift as well...
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hello!
Not really Johnny. I'm the one who should have stated that. I actually
find this material interesting. And Steve? During the course of the
month I shall be working to bring up an emulated VAX running VMS.
-----
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 2012-07-03 03:28, Phil Mendelsohn wrote:
On 12-07-02 03:09 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I have no problems calling -11M a redo of -11D. As far as I know, it was
not done by Cutler at DuPont, but something he did after starting at
DEC. But that is just what I gathered from reading various sources over
the years... I could very well be wrong.
-11M was entirely done at DEC. -11D was brought finished from DuPont,
and was AFAIK written single-handedly by Cutler. Source may or not
reflect this; in order to stamp 'digital' on it, there may have been a
new coat of paint.
Uh...? As far as I know, Dave Cutler was not involved in -11D. Are you really sure about this? Also, DuPont writing -11D? RSX started as RSX-15 for the PDP-15, at DEC. And that was around 1972 as well. How could DuPoint have become involved and written RSX before then? I'm curious here...
DEC was headhunting around '72 - they picked up Cutler earlier because
of what he'd done at Du Pont on his own. My dad had done an OS for the
LINC-8 for the Psych dept. at Michigan State which got back to Central
Engineering through the Life Sciences people, so that's how he ended up
working with Cutler.
Cool.
And Cutler seems to have been quite a person to deal with already back
then. :-)
He didn't write -11M single handedly, but he read and signed off each
and every line of code in it. You probably know the story about how he
had a red ink stamp that said "Size Is Everything." If he could write
code tighter than what came across his desk, the proposed code was
returned to the sender with the stamp right across it. That's not
apocryphal.
I know he didn't write it single handedly, but he did write quite a lot of it. Just read through the sources... His name is at the top in quite a few places...
What isn't always told is that if you couldn't ever write tighter code
(two or three iterations), Cutler used his own - but didn't necessarily
take other names off it IIRC.
Dad was pretty full of himself when he successfully argued Cutler out of
2 *bits* in a register for the error logging subsystem. It wasn't
pigheadedness on either side, but you had to formally show something
couldn't be done with n-1 bits. Even for n=2. Absolute brutality when
it came to size.
Memory hasn't been such an issue for a long time now, and now I'm off
topic - sorry guys.
We are indeed drifting way off hecnet here. I think I'll continue this outside of the list.
I apologize for the drift as well...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
