On 2012-12-17 18:05, Peter Coghlan wrote:
Do people really want digest mode here?
Yes (for me, at least - I always have!). And an archive of past messages
would be really nice...
I've never see the attraction of digest mode. People who are not on digest
reply to topics of interest immediately. People on digest reply hours or days
later when everyone else has lost interest. Sometimes they end up replying
with the subject of the digest instead of the subject of the posting they are
replying to. Topics become very disjointed.
That is sortof my opinion as well, which is why I asked.
Obviously different people have different usage patterns, so I don't object to it being perhaps more useful to others. But I wanted to check.
(And don't forget people who forget to trim their digest when replying, resulting in everyone getting the whole digest mail when they get a reply...)
And usually you also loose thread id's from message headers, meaning even correctly trimmed replies are not always gathered in the same thread as the rest of the messages.
Johnny
On 2012-12-17 17:58, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On 12/17/2012 11:56 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on
scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Is there a way to access NCP from a library so I can write it in
something like C?
I've never seen any. I think Peter might have something for TOPS-20, though... ;-)
However, the general thing isn't hard in principle. Anyone can open a connection to NCP and talk. However, I don't know if the NICE protocol has enough documentation around, or if people have just reverse engineered parts of it.
And then of course, you need to talk DECnet, but the API to DECnet is usually not so hard to play with.
Johnny
Sure - I just need to work out the UI, the actual execution of this is trivial :)
Sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:03, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:58, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I try to do it weekly - I _THINK_ Steve Davidson set up a script to do it automatically once a week, but I suppose I could add a batch job to do it daily automatically too.
Ah, yes. It was Steve who have something automated. He polls a file on MIM to get a node list, checking when that file was last modified.
Maybe Steve can share that, if he hasn't already...
What more NCP info would you like to see?
NCP SHO NOD <foobar> STATUS could be useful perhaps? However, it is less so when the node is several hops away. You could be clever and traverse until you get next to it...
Or something like NCP TELL <foobar> SHO EXEC could be something. Both CHARACTERISTICS and COUNTERS?
There are many things that can be done. :-)
Johnny
Sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 18:56, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
Johnny
sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 18:40, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Well, I figured it might be fun for people to know that there are, as of this moment, 405 known node names at MIM.
Not bad...
I know there are some more coming in, and in general, there is a steady stream of new registrations.
Speaking of which, is noone running a phase V area router? (Or could phase V not even be an area router?)
Johnny
Do people really want digest mode here?
Yes (for me, at least - I always have!). And an archive of past messages
would be really nice...
I've never see the attraction of digest mode. People who are not on digest
reply to topics of interest immediately. People on digest reply hours or days
later when everyone else has lost interest. Sometimes they end up replying
with the subject of the digest instead of the subject of the posting they are
replying to. Topics become very disjointed.
I just shove hecnet mails in a VMS MAIL folder as they arrive and I have an
instant message archive. This works ok provided there isn't too much off-topic
stuff so I don't have to decide what to keep and what to toss.
If we could agree to keep things more on topic and to put more thought into
it before banging off a quick message to the list, I wonder would that reduce
the need for a digest mode?
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
On 17 Dec 2012, at 12:03, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:58, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I try to do it weekly - I _THINK_ Steve Davidson set up a script to do it automatically once a week, but I suppose I could add a batch job to do it daily automatically too.
Ah, yes. It was Steve who have something automated. He polls a file on MIM to get a node list, checking when that file was last modified.
Maybe Steve can share that, if he hasn't already...
What more NCP info would you like to see?
NCP SHO NOD <foobar> STATUS could be useful perhaps? However, it is less so when the node is several hops away. You could be clever and traverse until you get next to it...
Or something like NCP TELL <foobar> SHO EXEC could be something. Both CHARACTERISTICS and COUNTERS?
There are many things that can be done. :-)
Now i almost want to propose Cacti/monitorix/munin graphs for HECnet...
Johnny
Sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 18:56, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
Johnny
sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 18:40, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Well, I figured it might be fun for people to know that there are, as of this moment, 405 known node names at MIM.
Not bad...
I know there are some more coming in, and in general, there is a steady stream of new registrations.
Speaking of which, is noone running a phase V area router? (Or could phase V not even be an area router?)
Johnny
On 2012-12-17 17:58, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I try to do it weekly - I _THINK_ Steve Davidson set up a script to do it automatically once a week, but I suppose I could add a batch job to do it daily automatically too.
Ah, yes. It was Steve who have something automated. He polls a file on MIM to get a node list, checking when that file was last modified.
Maybe Steve can share that, if he hasn't already...
What more NCP info would you like to see?
NCP SHO NOD <foobar> STATUS could be useful perhaps? However, it is less so when the node is several hops away. You could be clever and traverse until you get next to it...
Or something like NCP TELL <foobar> SHO EXEC could be something. Both CHARACTERISTICS and COUNTERS?
There are many things that can be done. :-)
Johnny
Sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 18:56, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
Johnny
sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 18:40, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Well, I figured it might be fun for people to know that there are, as of this moment, 405 known node names at MIM.
Not bad...
I know there are some more coming in, and in general, there is a steady stream of new registrations.
Speaking of which, is noone running a phase V area router? (Or could phase V not even be an area router?)
Johnny
On 17 Dec 2012, at 11:58, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 11:56 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they interconnect?
Is there a way to access NCP from a library so I can write it in something like C?
-brian
On 12/17/2012 11:58 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On 12/17/2012 11:53 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:40, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Do people really want digest mode here?
Yes (for me, at least - I always have!). And an archive of past
messages
would be really nice...
Ok. We'll hopefully have digest sorted once we move from Majordomo. As
for archives, gha... Yes, I have everything, but I need to scrub it of
personal messages, as well as figure out how to make it accessible.
That part I'm open to suggestions about.
If you move to mailman you should be able to just dump them into mailman
and let it handle it for you.
What do you mean "dump them"? They are mails. They are in a folder in my mail box...
I can certainly extract them from there, and in various formats. My own mail is handled by imap, and it sits in a maildir format on my own server...
It's been a little while since I've dealt with that, so I will have to research it, but I *think* the archive area of mailman is just Maildir style.
-brian
On 12/17/2012 11:56 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Is there a way to access NCP from a library so I can write it in something like C?
-brian
On 2012-12-17 17:55, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On 12/17/2012 11:53 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:40, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Do people really want digest mode here?
Yes (for me, at least - I always have!). And an archive of past
messages
would be really nice...
Ok. We'll hopefully have digest sorted once we move from Majordomo. As
for archives, gha... Yes, I have everything, but I need to scrub it of
personal messages, as well as figure out how to make it accessible.
That part I'm open to suggestions about.
If you move to mailman you should be able to just dump them into mailman
and let it handle it for you.
What do you mean "dump them"? They are mails. They are in a folder in my mail box...
I can certainly extract them from there, and in various formats. My own mail is handled by imap, and it sits in a maildir format on my own server...
Johnny
