On Dec 17, 2012, at 13:20, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 01:18 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they interconnect?
Yes. Exactly that. :)
I would LOVE to see that running.
My attempt to do it in DCL failed but I think I've got how to do it. Just need to find a reasonable way to access NCP.
-brian
On 12/17/2012 01:18 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they interconnect?
Yes. Exactly that. :)
I would LOVE to see that running.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
That would rock. Let me know when you get it working :)
Sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 20:18, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:03, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 17 Dec 2012, at 11:58, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 11:56 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they interconnect?
Yes. Exactly that. :)
Is there a way to access NCP from a library so I can write it in something like C?
-brian
Once upon a time, Peter Coghlan allegedly said
Do people really want digest mode here?
Yes (for me, at least - I always have!). And an archive of past
messages
would be really nice...
I've never see the attraction of digest mode. People who are not on digest
reply to topics of interest immediately. People on digest reply hours or
days
later when everyone else has lost interest. Sometimes they end up replying
with the subject of the digest instead of the subject of the posting they
are
replying to. Topics become very disjointed.
I just shove hecnet mails in a VMS MAIL folder as they arrive and I have
an
instant message archive. This works ok provided there isn't too much
off-topic
stuff so I don't have to decide what to keep and what to toss.
If we could agree to keep things more on topic and to put more thought
into
it before banging off a quick message to the list, I wonder would that
reduce
the need for a digest mode?
No. And it's far easier to implement digest than get users to behave.
Digest is less desirable if you are active on the list and can do it
often. When there are high
volumes of traffic you only want to read, digest becomes more desirable.
You can still get individual msgs if you want them. Why take the option
away from someone else?
Phil
--
"There is some truth in your fiction,
and some fiction in your truth." -- Animatrix
On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:03, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 17 Dec 2012, at 11:58, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 11:56 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they interconnect?
Yes. Exactly that. :)
Is there a way to access NCP from a library so I can write it in something like C?
-brian
With this in mind, I'm considering adding an opt-out system for the HECnet info system on RHESUS, maybe a NOINFO.TXT file in the public FAL directory and it won't run the NCP SHOW EXECs?
Or is everyone OK with what RHESUS is doing now?
sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 20:15, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I know that you weren't personally attacking me of course, no offence taken :)
I'm aware of the privacy considerations but for now, I find it a very useful and easy to use tool.
Sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 20:13, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 12:53 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I don't disagree with any of that, but just run NoScript when accessing RHESUS then :)
It won't break anything, it's a tiny hobby site and I am not a professional sysadmin so Google Analytics is an easy choice for me.
I'm not trashing you at all, and I'm sorry if I came across that way.
I do a lot of data security work these days, and some of the stuff I
see in the field just horrifies me. Google is the data version of The
Borg, and all it takes is one corporate paradigm shift..
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I know that you weren't personally attacking me of course, no offence taken :)
I'm aware of the privacy considerations but for now, I find it a very useful and easy to use tool.
Sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 20:13, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 12:53 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I don't disagree with any of that, but just run NoScript when accessing RHESUS then :)
It won't break anything, it's a tiny hobby site and I am not a professional sysadmin so Google Analytics is an easy choice for me.
I'm not trashing you at all, and I'm sorry if I came across that way.
I do a lot of data security work these days, and some of the stuff I
see in the field just horrifies me. Google is the data version of The
Borg, and all it takes is one corporate paradigm shift..
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Once upon a time, Dave McGuire allegedly said
On 12/17/2012 11:41 AM, Phil Mendelsohn wrote:
(filtering was sufficient until mobile devices entered the fray.)
Filtering will again be sufficient if you do it on the server
True but not always possible.
Phil
--
"There is some truth in your fiction,
and some fiction in your truth." -- Animatrix
On 12/17/2012 12:53 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I don't disagree with any of that, but just run NoScript when accessing RHESUS then :)
It won't break anything, it's a tiny hobby site and I am not a professional sysadmin so Google Analytics is an easy choice for me.
I'm not trashing you at all, and I'm sorry if I came across that way.
I do a lot of data security work these days, and some of the stuff I
see in the field just horrifies me. Google is the data version of The
Borg, and all it takes is one corporate paradigm shift..
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 17 Dec 2012, at 12:49, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 12:39 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Automagically generated charts.
Analog, Webalizer...lots of others. All of them have been doing
this for more than fifteen years.
I know, but they need to be set up, which is slightly less automagic
for a lazy sysadmin. ;)
Setup is like five minutes. A sysadmin THAT lazy should not be
trusted with root.
I agree with that. I'm coming up with some ideas for helping someone migrate away from google analytics now.
Seriously man.
Also, some people prefer out-of-band analytics. I'd be fine with
webaizer or analog personally, I have google analytics set up but i
never use it. Mind I get about 1 hit/year...
I'd like to see a convincing argument for running the analytics
out-of-band.
I can come up with some reasons, but they're not exactly /convincing/.
Analytics data would be less susceptible to failure of personal infrastructure. (I've seen logging break firsthand before I don't get how I can manage to break logging).
Some people just like to slow down page load time by requiring data be sent somewhere else. ;)
Not trying to be argumentative...but too many people these days in
this business insist on things for the sake of insisting on something,
without anything to back them up. I am not accusing YOU of this of
course, as you've mentioned that you don't use it.
The only time I enjoy this is when I paid to clean up the resultant
mess. ;)
Google offers these services because they want any and all data that
they can get their paws on. It is far from high-minded community
service thinking. First they offer free email, now they've got your
email. Next they offer free office "web apps", now they have your
business documents. Now your web traffic stats.
Which is why I want to migrate away from gmail. ;)
Mind you, I don't think Google as a company is evil, but they employ a
LOT of people, and a LOT of people have access to those databases.
Further, Google has a history of just rolling over when the federal
government demands information.
Oh noes! The government knows that I sometimes visit my website with IE 3. ;)
(I see the problem here, just needed to make a joke)
I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind being comfortable with
this, especially when respectable, self-contained, state-of-the-art
network services can be set up with 100% free software on hardware that
can be picked up on the curb on trash day.
I'm definitely losing the appeal of the google kook-aid, ;)
</soapbox>
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
