One of my area routers (Nikkel) runs phase V. It is a VaxStation 4000/60 that runs VMS 7.3.
I can switch it on tomorrow when desired?
Hans
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Van: Kari Uusim ki
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Statistics
Verzonden: 17 december 2012 23:50
On 17.12.2012 18:40, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Well, I figured it might be fun for people to know that there are, as of
this moment, 405 known node names at MIM.
Not bad...
I know there are some more coming in, and in general, there is a steady
stream of new registrations.
Speaking of which, is noone running a phase V area router? (Or could
phase V not even be an area router?)
Johnny
.
A Phase V node can act as an Area router, yes.
I would still like to connect to HECnet using a Phase V router
(DECnet-plus), but I think there isn't anybody else running DECnet-plus
or some other Phase V router?
Regards,
Kari
On 2012-12-17 23:50, Boyanich, Alastair wrote:
Hi all,
Can someone straighten me out on a few things.
1) Other than the tuhs/pups guys that seem to have archives of 2.11BSD,
is there a central place that manages source / build / patch trees ?
I've seen the "RetroBSD" guys running this on MIPS PIC32 stuff, but I
suspect from my readings thus far they don't much care about the 11
tree.
Eh. The obvious canonical source would be sms. Steve M. Schultz, who is the official maintainer. I don't remember where he keeps stuff, but that should be easy to locate.
Nobody cares about 2BSD except for the PDP-11 people, since 2BSD by now are rather distant in relation to all the "modern" BSD.
2) Was 2.11BSD ever ported to other platforms? Given the age/era, I'm
curious about 8088/8086/NECv20/80286 given the banked memory models used
and looking at the 8088/8086 XENIX disassembly.
Nope. That would not have been 2BSD then. And since the PDP-11 don't even have banked memory, it would probably cause some headaches to port 2BSD to something like 80286 or other similar machines.
To make it clear - the PDP-11 have a very normal MMU with pages.
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Once upon a time, Peter Coghlan allegedly said
And it's far easier to implement digest than get users to behave.
If there is a problem with the way people are behaving, I think it is
better
to try to encourage and reward better behaviour than to try to accomodate
it.
Sorry, that should be read "get users to change behaviour." I don't want
to restrict what anyone wants to talk about, personally.
You can still get individual msgs if you want them. Why take the option
away from someone else?
I spent a bit of time composing my posting and I thought I carefully
avoided
giving the impression that I wanted to take away any option from anyone.
I'm
more interested in seeing why people want digest mode (as I said, I am
having
difficulty in seeing the attraction it clearly has for some) and whether
we
are trying to solve a problem that will still be there after a digest mode
is
made available.
Sorry again, I don't feel you're trying to oppress anyone. And I
appreciate kicking the tires before buying the car. In my particular case
- and I can accept it graciously if I'm the only one - I would be very
happy if the HECnet list were available in digest form. I just don't see
that impinging on any other forms. If Mailman is adopted, it's already
part of the picture.
On the other hand, I might actually be happy reading a weekly paper
version - something to keep in the "necessary room" with the Farmer's
Almanac?, but it would have to be run off on an LP20. ;)
Cheers,
Phil
--
"There is some truth in your fiction,
and some fiction in your truth." -- Animatrix
Hi all,
Can someone straighten me out on a few things.
1) Other than the tuhs/pups guys that seem to have archives of 2.11BSD,
is there a central place that manages source / build / patch trees ?
I've seen the "RetroBSD" guys running this on MIPS PIC32 stuff, but I
suspect from my readings thus far they don't much care about the 11
tree.
2) Was 2.11BSD ever ported to other platforms? Given the age/era, I'm
curious about 8088/8086/NECv20/80286 given the banked memory models used
and looking at the 8088/8086 XENIX disassembly.
Thoughts?
Additionally, I'd like to wish you all a safe and happy silly season :)
Al.
On 17.12.2012 18:40, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Well, I figured it might be fun for people to know that there are, as of
this moment, 405 known node names at MIM.
Not bad...
I know there are some more coming in, and in general, there is a steady
stream of new registrations.
Speaking of which, is noone running a phase V area router? (Or could
phase V not even be an area router?)
Johnny
.
A Phase V node can act as an Area router, yes.
I would still like to connect to HECnet using a Phase V router (DECnet-plus), but I think there isn't anybody else running DECnet-plus or some other Phase V router?
Regards,
Kari
This is what I could reach earlier this afternoon from GATE18.
Hmm, not sure why you couldn't see my area. (61)
It's entirely possible something here is busted. I don't have details
from the earlier run, but what I'm seeing right now if I MC NCP TELL GW
SHO ADJ NOD is:
%NCP-F-CONNEC, unable to connect to listener
-SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHOBJ, network object is unknown at remote node
I'm treewalking, so if GW is the only uplink, I won't find your internal
stuff.
De
Is anyone at the moment crawling for the formal section inside the INFO.TXT files (i.e. the .BEGIN-HECNET-INFO -> ..END-HECNET-INFO) parts?
Is it viewable anywhere?
Sampsa
Oh I can see it - my bad.
Sampsa
On 18 Dec 2012, at 00:20, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Can't see my second area (47, actually most of the links from GORVAX don't seem to be on there)...
Sampsa
On 18 Dec 2012, at 00:02, Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> wrote:
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they
interconnect?
I've been fiddling with drawing a map of sorts. It's pretty crude, and
it's not generated using DEC software (boo hiss!), but here's a look at
the current output:
http://yagi.h-net.msu.edu/hecnet_map_20121217_alpha2.pdf
This is what I could reach earlier this afternoon from GATE18.
De
Can't see my second area (47, actually most of the links from GORVAX don't seem to be on there)...
Sampsa
On 18 Dec 2012, at 00:02, Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> wrote:
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they
interconnect?
I've been fiddling with drawing a map of sorts. It's pretty crude, and
it's not generated using DEC software (boo hiss!), but here's a look at
the current output:
http://yagi.h-net.msu.edu/hecnet_map_20121217_alpha2.pdf
This is what I could reach earlier this afternoon from GATE18.
De
On 12/17/2012 05:02 PM, Dennis Boone wrote:
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they
interconnect?
I've been fiddling with drawing a map of sorts. It's pretty crude, and
it's not generated using DEC software (boo hiss!), but here's a look at
the current output:
http://yagi.h-net.msu.edu/hecnet_map_20121217_alpha2.pdf
Neat!!
This is what I could reach earlier this afternoon from GATE18.
Hmm, not sure why you couldn't see my area. (61)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
