HECnet December 2012

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/30/2012 09:19 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: To be fair, PDP-11 assembler is...well, nice. I wonder how fat it'd be on an ungainly old x86. Modern or older x86? ;) There's a difference? I mean, I know a handful of instructions were stapled onto the side occasionally throughout the years, and x86_64 made things a BIT more sane...brought it squarely into the late 1980s...but it's still pretty ungainly. I was referring to something like: original 8086 ASM compared with late-model pentium III ASM. ;) Ahhh. In that case, not a whole lot of difference for app-level stuff. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 10 months

"Hacking" attempts

by b4＠gewt.net

On 30 Dec 2012, at 21:16, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 12/29/2012 04:59 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I ported unix `cal' program from OpenBSD sources to RSX, wrote it in MACRO-11, and got an interesting result: OpenBSD's cal.c - 562 lines My CAL.MAC - 490 lines :) That was... unexpected... :-) To be fair, PDP-11 assembler is...well, nice. I wonder how fat it'd be on an ungainly old x86. Modern or older x86? ;) There's a difference? I mean, I know a handful of instructions were stapled onto the side occasionally throughout the years, and x86_64 made things a BIT more sane...brought it squarely into the late 1980s...but it's still pretty ungainly. I was referring to something like: original 8086 ASM compared with late-model pentium III ASM. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

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"Hacking" attempts

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/29/2012 04:59 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I ported unix `cal' program from OpenBSD sources to RSX, wrote it in MACRO-11, and got an interesting result: OpenBSD's cal.c - 562 lines My CAL.MAC - 490 lines :) That was... unexpected... :-) To be fair, PDP-11 assembler is...well, nice. I wonder how fat it'd be on an ungainly old x86. Modern or older x86? ;) There's a difference? I mean, I know a handful of instructions were stapled onto the side occasionally throughout the years, and x86_64 made things a BIT more sane...brought it squarely into the late 1980s...but it's still pretty ungainly. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 10 months

New HECNET.HLP file at RHESUS::[.HECNETHLP]HECNET.HLP

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/30/2012 09:02 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Pretty amusing really, a weekly update about HECNET INFORMATION not being cool because it's auto-generated. I suppose if I just copy pasted the results that'd be OK. This reminds me of the Internet in the early 90s, all the old-timers shouting about breaking netiquette etc. Well, being one of those old-timers in the early 90s myself, with idiots streaming onto the net and making a huge mess of things, I can understand the attitude. But this is about friggin' status messages ABOUT HECNET. WTF? Do these people use mail clients which lack a "delete" function or something? I love HECnet, and I love the crowd, but we do have a few tight-asses in there. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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FW: [HECnet] New HECNET.HLP file at RHESUS::[.HECNETHLP]HECNET.HLP

by jeep＠scshome.net

Sampsa, Please add jeep at scshome.net to the list. Thanks! -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of sampsa at mac.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 03:58 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] New HECNET.HLP file at RHESUS::[.HECNETHLP]HECNET.HLP On 30 Dec 2012, at 10:47, sampsa at mac.com wrote: On 30 Dec 2012, at 10:45, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Yes, I agree with that point of voiew Johnny. OK - I'll turn that off, I just thought it would be nice to remind people there's a new HLP file available, no spamming intended. sampsa PS: The HLP file is compiled at 5 AM Sundays EET (3 AM GMT) :) Anyone who DOES want a reminder, email me off-list, I'll add you to a distribution list :) Sampsa

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INFO.TXT, was Re: [HECnet] UPDATE: HECNET.HLP file for VMS systems

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/29/2012 09:28 PM, Dennis Boone wrote: So what's supposed to be in this INFO.TXT file that everyone's been talking about lately? I think I may be too much of a newcomer here to know about it. Where should it be, and what should it contain? Bob has a nice explanation in his INFO.TXT file on LEGATO. Got it...Thanks! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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New HECNET.HLP file at RHESUS::[.HECNETHLP]HECNET.HLP

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/30/2012 03:57 AM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Yes, I agree with that point of voiew Johnny. OK - I'll turn that off, I just thought it would be nice to remind people there's a new HLP file available, no spamming intended. sampsa PS: The HLP file is compiled at 5 AM Sundays EET (3 AM GMT) :) Anyone who DOES want a reminder, email me off-list, I'll add you to a distribution list :) [OFF-LIST] Yes please! We really need another mailing list for "people who don't freak out when they...oh, you know, receive email". I'd start one myself but Johnny seems a bit territorial about HECnet stuff. (I don't blame him for that..) I run a lot of mailing lists here already. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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New HECNET.HLP file at RHESUS::[.HECNETHLP]HECNET.HLP

by sampsa＠mac.com

Actually DON'T do this. Tried on CHIMPY::, it broke the LIBRARY parser somehow. sampsa On 30 Dec 2012, at 12:22, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Quick idea re: HLP/INFO.TXT files: If you format your INFO.TXT file like a HLP file, it'll automagically be processed and look like a proper VMS help file - however due to the fact that the info.txt puller adds a 2 <NODENAME> section heading, all your sections should be 3 or deeper. So for example, CHIMPY's INFO.TXT could (and will) look like this: ---- SNIP ---- Welcome to CHIMPY::, part of the SAMPSACOM network. 3 Active users Currently active users for email include: SAMPSA DAVIDSON 3 Guest logons We offer the following guest logons: ACCOUNT - Use this to request an account on CHIMPY:: B4BBS - Gateway to the SAMPSACOM Bulletin Board System, B4BBS. TETRIS - Awesome VT100 tetris game. PYFFLE - A Python re-implementation of the coolest BBS software ever, Waffle Thank you, Sampsa Laine (CHIMPY::SAMPSA) --- .BEGIN-HECNET-INFO ADDR |NAME |OWNER |EMAIL |HARDWARE |OS |LOCATION |NOTES 8.401|CHIMPY|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |AlphaServer DS10 |OpenVMS 8.3 |London, England |Main SAMPSACOM system, SMTP gateway (CHIMPYMAIL.COM) 8.400|GORVAX|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |SIMH VAX on OSX/Intel |OpenVMS 7.3 |London, England |MULTINET bridge to Area 2, Area router 8.403|RHESUS|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |HP rx2600 Dual 900MHz |OpenVMS 8.4E |London, England |File libraries available 8.500|PYFFLE|Sampsa Laine |system at pyffle.com|VMWare |Pyffle BBS |London, England |Waffle reimplementation BBS, log in as pyffle for access .END-HECNET-INFO sampsa

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New HECNET.HLP file at RHESUS::[.HECNETHLP]HECNET.HLP

by bob＠jfcl.com

the INFO.TXT thing is a bit of a hack really. Didn't you invent the INFO.TXT idea back around 2009 or so? I could swear it was your idea, and Zane Healy had a WWW real time listing of active nodes on avanthar.com back then. Somebody else was doing a map, but I can't remember who. I'm sure you know that every couple of years somebody comes up with a grand scheme to map and index HECnet. It goes for a while and then looses steam, and then a couple of years later somebody re-invents the idea over again. Bob

11 years, 10 months

UPDATE: HECNET.HLP file for VMS systems

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

BITXOV, BITXOO and BITXOR INFO.TXT files have now the HECNET block. You can pull them when you want. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

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