HECnet November 2012

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Anyone running KLH10 in the Raspberry Pi?

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

Is Pi big endian? Does KLH10 assume little endian? paul On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 28/11/12 22:42, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: Anyone has gone past this? I've not, but is it possibly related to solftfloat versus hardfloat ABI in some distr I have built it from sources... I don't think the ABI differences can make any difference. But I could be wrong if KLH10 uses something really tied to the host hardware.

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Anyone running KLH10 in the Raspberry Pi?

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Al 28/11/12 22:42, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: Anyone has gone past this? I've not, but is it possibly related to solftfloat versus hardfloat ABI in some distr I have built it from sources... I don't think the ABI differences can make any difference. But I could be wrong if KLH10 uses something really tied to the host hardware.

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Anyone running KLH10 in the Raspberry Pi?

by b4＠gewt.net

On 28 Nov 2012, at 16:40, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: I have compiled KLH10 in the Pi, following the indications in this post: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.sys.pdp10/vHcQ49tjM… After correcting a stupid syntax error I get a mostly clean compilation, but when I try to run TOPS-10 on it (cloning a configuration that works in an intel machine), I get this: KLH10# load klboot.exe Using word format "c36"... Loading aborted, read failed for file page 1, proc page 0 Loading aborted, read failed for file page 2, proc page 448 Loading aborted, read failed for file page 4, proc page 451 Loaded "klboot.exe": Format: DEC-PEXE Of course it does not boot... Anyone has gone past this? I've not, but is it possibly related to solftfloat versus hardfloat ABI in some distros?

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3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by clemc＠ccc.com

I think you are describing the 3B20S. Looked like a VAX/780 (but had a pull starter ;) for the battery bring up. The duplex 3B20D was the control systems for the 5ESS. After the consent decree was dropped, AT&T tried to market the S (simplex) version as a general purpose computer. IIRC the 3B20 >>architecture<< became the WE32100 microprocessor that was used in the desktop machines. Clem On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Boyanich, Alastair <Alastair.Boyanich at au.fujitsu.com> wrote: > Hello! > He's thinking of the WE designed processors that were used in the > later units. They were not bit slice but were fabricated using the > normal methods. Not surprisingly enough the devices could not even be > sold separately. > > They were ran an appropriately written release of UNIX as native. One > of the first applications for them and the later models was in running > the first and second generation Electronic Switching Services > otherwise known as exchanges. > > There's a whole article online someplace on the RT extensions that > needed to be written out and added to UNIX for that application. Hi Greg, Maybe it wasn't bit-sliced then.. interesting, but this seems to fit as it was definitely: a) a different ISA to the m68k stuff. Wouldn't even disassemble. b) telco gear for very large PABX/exchange switching/management c) UNIX (tm) based. Al.

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3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 11/28/2012 04:20 PM, Boyanich, Alastair wrote: The "UNIX PC" is the 7300, which is nearly identical to the 3B1. The 3B1 has a slightly larger top cover to accommodate a full-height hard drive, while the 7300 will only hold a half-height drive. They are otherwise identical, using 68010s. Okay. I've seen one of the 68010 jobs and repaired the psu for a friend in the early 90's with a discard he'd taken home from work. It's all pretty vague as this was about 1993, 1994. I'd sure like to know more about the "proprietary cpu" version you're talking about. Same guy had some "other" VME (Might not've been.. was rack mount and telco power) AT&T gear at work that I saw a couple of times. There was at least one VME-based WE32K processor, but most (all?) of the 3B line (which does NOT include the 3B1) was very much "its own thing". Moved a couple of bin's off the system and tried to get it running on the m68k system he had at home which didn't work. We were pretty in the dark about these things and doco was scarce and assumed that "AT&T meant they were compatible". Not even close. ;) AT&T built computers with a dozen different processors...if not more...over several decades. AT&T is a BIG company. The idea behind the home machine was a learning exercise, fiddle system for home. Old guy that managed a lot of the esoteric stuff at his work said when we questioned the incompatibility said "of course not. It's older than the m68k workstation, and it's all micro-coded off bit-sliced CPU's". Maybe it wasn't? Either way, the rack stuff's binaries were not runnable on the SysV r3.5 m68k jobs. It was probably 3B2-family WE32K stuff. Not bit-slice though. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Area 11 going offline for sometime

by Alastair.Boyanich＠au.fujitsu.com

SS1 and SS1+, maybe sme SS5 also, and got some IPC/IPX on another location Any of the 1/2/IPX systems have the 80Mhz Weitek SPARC PowerUP! Chips and SBUS ram cards? If so, they make a very nice little hobby machine. Al.

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3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by Alastair.Boyanich＠au.fujitsu.com

Hello! He's thinking of the WE designed processors that were used in the later units. They were not bit slice but were fabricated using the normal methods. Not surprisingly enough the devices could not even be sold separately. They were ran an appropriately written release of UNIX as native. One of the first applications for them and the later models was in running the first and second generation Electronic Switching Services otherwise known as exchanges. There's a whole article online someplace on the RT extensions that needed to be written out and added to UNIX for that application. Hi Greg, Maybe it wasn't bit-sliced then.. interesting, but this seems to fit as it was definitely: a) a different ISA to the m68k stuff. Wouldn't even disassemble. b) telco gear for very large PABX/exchange switching/management c) UNIX (tm) based. Al.

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3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by Alastair.Boyanich＠au.fujitsu.com

G'day Dave, The "UNIX PC" is the 7300, which is nearly identical to the 3B1. The 3B1 has a slightly larger top cover to accommodate a full-height hard drive, while the 7300 will only hold a half-height drive. They are otherwise identical, using 68010s. Okay. I've seen one of the 68010 jobs and repaired the psu for a friend in the early 90's with a discard he'd taken home from work. It's all pretty vague as this was about 1993, 1994. I'd sure like to know more about the "proprietary cpu" version you're talking about. Same guy had some "other" VME (Might not've been.. was rack mount and telco power) AT&T gear at work that I saw a couple of times. Moved a couple of bin's off the system and tried to get it running on the m68k system he had at home which didn't work. We were pretty in the dark about these things and doco was scarce and assumed that "AT&T meant they were compatible". The idea behind the home machine was a learning exercise, fiddle system for home. Old guy that managed a lot of the esoteric stuff at his work said when we questioned the incompatibility said "of course not. It's older than the m68k workstation, and it's all micro-coded off bit-sliced CPU's". Maybe it wasn't? Either way, the rack stuff's binaries were not runnable on the SysV r3.5 m68k jobs. I only really remember it because AT&T stuff was around '93/94 pretty unique here in Australia. At the time I was pretty obsessed with HP/Apollo and SGI kit. Al.

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Area 11 going offline for sometime

by setala＠gmail.com

Rob, 2 MicroVAX 3400's went to Sampsa. I still have one VAX 6310 to give away (diskless). I just wonder is it any use to ship those PDP-11 parts, since it's going to be expensive. --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote: I d love the PSU (or at least some of the boards from the PSU) from the 11/24. Not that I would really advocate parting it out, but if you can t find a home for it I have a faulty PSU in my 11/24 and I have yet to successfully run my machine. If you were to part it out I suppose the other boards would be good too What VAXen do you have? Regards Rob From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Saku Set l Sent: 28 November 2012 15:29 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 11 going offline for sometime Here's a poor photo, PDP-11/24 on left, some SparcStations on right. https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/604137_4787358489318… How much space do you have? I have 50+ VAXen... --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:25 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: How big is a PDP 11/24, physically? Sampsa On 28 Nov 2012, at 17:24, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Sampsa, I'm here in Espoo, the junk^H^H^H treasures are at Pasila. Do you want to have a PDP-11/24? Or are you interested about Sun SS1+? --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:19 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: If you want to temporarily host any equipment at my place, I've got the space and a decent-ish HECnet connection in Kirkkonummi. Where are you based in Finland? Sampsa On 28 Nov 2012, at 17:18, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: 2 MicroVAX 3400's on their way to their new home.. no problem to fit into my Smart 4Four https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395143_4787315808251… --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Well that sucks. On 28 Nov 2012, at 16:03, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: > After a decade of running, I have to shut down and move the cluster. > > Planning to be back online after a while, but don't hold your breath.. > > Regards, > > Saku >

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Area 11 going offline for sometime

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I d love the PSU (or at least some of the boards from the PSU) from the 11/24. Not that I would really advocate parting it out, but if you can t find a home for it I have a faulty PSU in my 11/24 and I have yet to successfully run my machine. If you were to part it out I suppose the other boards would be good too What VAXen do you have? Regards Rob From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Saku Set l Sent: 28 November 2012 15:29 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 11 going offline for sometime Here's a poor photo, PDP-11/24 on left, some SparcStations on right. https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/604137_4787358489318… How much space do you have? I have 50+ VAXen... --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:25 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: How big is a PDP 11/24, physically? Sampsa On 28 Nov 2012, at 17:24, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Sampsa, I'm here in Espoo, the junk^H^H^H treasures are at Pasila. Do you want to have a PDP-11/24? Or are you interested about Sun SS1+? --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:19 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: If you want to temporarily host any equipment at my place, I've got the space and a decent-ish HECnet connection in Kirkkonummi. Where are you based in Finland? Sampsa On 28 Nov 2012, at 17:18, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: 2 MicroVAX 3400's on their way to their new home.. no problem to fit into my Smart 4Four https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395143_4787315808251… --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Well that sucks. On 28 Nov 2012, at 16:03, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: > After a decade of running, I have to shut down and move the cluster. > > Planning to be back online after a while, but don't hold your breath.. > > Regards, > > Saku >

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