10 Apr
2017
10 Apr
'17
9:41 a.m.
Hi,
call me an idiot, but how do I rectify this problem:
MAIL> r
To: MIM::tonyblews at gmail.com
%JBC-E-NOSUCHQUE, no such queue
Press RETURN to continue reading your mail
MAIL>
Thanks for any help.
Tony Blews
10 Apr
10 Apr
11:40 a.m.
Hum. Looks like vms cleverness? Maybe MIM::"tonyblews at gmail.com" works?
Could you try that in general on vms? I can rewrite the from line to that if it helps.
Johnny
tony at blews.co.uk skrev: (10 april 2017 09:41:36 CEST)
Hi,
call me an idiot, but how do I rectify this problem:
MAIL> r
To: MIM::tonyblews at gmail.com
%JBC-E-NOSUCHQUE, no such queue
Press RETURN to continue reading your mail
MAIL>
Thanks for any help.
Tony Blews
--
Skickat fr?n min Android-enhet med K-9 Mail. Urs?kta min f?ordighet.
noon
Tested a little on vms. I've changed the code to rewrite from with quotes so that vms
mail can understand it.
Try now.
Johnny
Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> skrev: (10 april 2017 11:40:10 CEST)
Hum. Looks like vms cleverness? Maybe
MIM::"tonyblews at gmail.com" works?
Could you try that in general on vms? I can rewrite the from line to
that if it helps.
Johnny
tony at blews.co.uk skrev: (10 april 2017 09:41:36 CEST)
--
Skickat fr?n min Android-enhet med K-9 Mail. Urs?kta min f?ordighet.
Hi,
call me an idiot, but how do I rectify this problem:
MAIL> r
To: MIM::tonyblews at gmail.com
%JBC-E-NOSUCHQUE, no such queue
Press RETURN to continue reading your mail
MAIL>
Thanks for any help.
Tony Blews
--
Skickat fr?n min Android-enhet med K-9 Mail. Urs?kta min f?ordighet.
12:25 p.m.
Tested a little on vms. I've changed the code to
rewrite from with quotes
so that vms mail can understand it.
Try now.
I get this reply:
From: MIM::
To: TARDIS::SYSTEM
CC:
Subj: Undelivered mail
This is MIM::POSTMASTER. I'm sorry, but I could not deliver your mail.
An error occured while trying to send it, and I cannot recover.
Actual error is Address error.
Additional information: 5.1.2 RFC-5321 address. m203si7390587lfm.109 - gsmtp
The original mail is attached below.
(it isn't)
Meanwhile, I've got TARDIS receiving its mail as
blah at tardis.recondite-computers.co.uk fine but I'm banging my head against
a wall with outgoing mail. on all machines. Google won't play nice, neith
will my ISP or my VPS.
But that is another story.
2:23 p.m.
Hmm. I tested as well, and I did get the original mail back. Strange if that failed. I did
improve the logging to get the full error now though.
That said - congratulations. You just found out that google is violating rfc 5321. And the
really funny part is that their error message says that the source address is violating
rfc 5321. What rfc 5321 actually says is that only the host is allowed to have opinions
about the user part of a mail address, and so google have no busines trying to parse and
check that part.
Time to write a mail to postmaster at google, but I suspect we will be ignored.
For now, I think there is nothing more I can do. :-(
Johnny
tony at blews.co.uk skrev: (10 april 2017 12:25:47 CEST)
--
Skickat fr?n min Android-enhet med K-9 Mail. Urs?kta min f?ordighet.
Tested a
little on vms. I've changed the code to rewrite from with
quotes
so that vms mail can understand it.
Try now.
I get this reply:
From: MIM::
To: TARDIS::SYSTEM
CC:
Subj: Undelivered mail
This is MIM::POSTMASTER. I'm sorry, but I could not deliver your mail.
An error occured while trying to send it, and I cannot recover.
Actual error is Address error.
Additional information: 5.1.2 RFC-5321 address. m203si7390587lfm.109 -
gsmtp
The original mail is attached below.
(it isn't)
Meanwhile, I've got TARDIS receiving its mail as
blah at tardis.recondite-computers.co.uk fine but I'm banging my head
against
a wall with outgoing mail. on all machines. Google won't play nice,
neith
will my ISP or my VPS.
But that is another story.
9:04 p.m.
At home now, and can answer this a little more in depth.
On 2017-04-10 12:25, tony at blews.co.uk wrote:
That line was truncated. Fixed that one.
However, like I said, Google is refusing mails with a source address
that don't pass various rules they have, which is in violation of RFC
5321. And the silly think is that the error Google gives refers to RFC
5321 as a reason why they are refusing.
As the source address should be used when reporting any problems back, I
cannot really fake it either, without potentially loosing more
information. I'm going to try and ping people at Google, but I do not
have very high hopes of this being resolved. So the answer might just be
that Google is broken, and you should avoid it.
Tested a
little on vms. I've changed the code to rewrite from with quotes
so that vms mail can understand it.
Try now.
I get this reply:
From: MIM::
To: TARDIS::SYSTEM
CC:
Subj: Undelivered mail
This is MIM::POSTMASTER. I'm sorry, but I could not deliver your mail.
An error occured while trying to send it, and I cannot recover.
Actual error is Address error.
Additional information: 5.1.2 RFC-5321 address. m203si7390587lfm.109 - gsmtp The original mail is attached below.
(it isn't)
It should have been. Have been all the time I tested. Strange. Are you sure?
Meanwhile, I've got TARDIS receiving its mail as
blah at tardis.recondite-computers.co.uk fine but I'm banging my head against
a wall with outgoing mail. on all machines. Google won't play nice, neith
will my ISP or my VPS.
But that is another story.
Many ISPs won't let you talk SMTP yourself, but you are expected to use
their mailer as a relay. Might that be what you are seeing?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
9:27 p.m.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist <bqt at
softjar.se> wrote:
At home now, and can answer this a little more in depth.
On 2017-04-10 12:25, tony at blews.co.uk wrote:
That line was truncated. Fixed that one.
However, like I said, Google is refusing mails with a source address that don't pass
various rules they have, which is in violation of RFC 5321. And the silly think is that
the error Google gives refers to RFC 5321 as a reason why they are refusing.
As the source address should be used when reporting any problems back, I cannot really
fake it either, without potentially loosing more information. I'm going to try and
ping people at Google, but I do not have very high hopes of this being resolved. So the
answer might just be that Google is broken, and you should avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if anyone is in the mail team.
Tested a
little on vms. I've changed the code to rewrite from with quotes
so that vms mail can understand it.
Try now.
I get this reply:
From: MIM::
To: TARDIS::SYSTEM
CC:
Subj: Undelivered mail
This is MIM::POSTMASTER. I'm sorry, but I could not deliver your mail.
An error occured while trying to send it, and I cannot recover.
Actual error is Address error.
Additional information: 5.1.2 RFC-5321 address. m203si7390587lfm.109 - gsmtp The original mail is attached below.
(it isn't)
It should have been. Have been all the time I tested. Strange. Are you sure?
Meanwhile, I've got TARDIS receiving its mail
as
blah at tardis.recondite-computers.co.uk fine but I'm banging my head against
a wall with outgoing mail. on all machines. Google won't play nice, neith
will my ISP or my VPS.
But that is another story.
Many ISPs won't let you talk SMTP yourself, but you are expected to use their mailer
as a relay. Might that be what you are seeing?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol 
9:32 p.m.
Could this Google thing also be why I can't receive an attachment from
Spain? I'm in the United States.
On Apr 10, 2017 3:27 PM, "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
sure?
their
mailer as a relay. Might that be what you are seeing?
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
At home now, and can answer this a little more in depth.
On 2017-04-10 12:25, tony at blews.co.uk wrote:
>> Tested a little on vms. I've changed the code to rewrite from with
quotes
>> so that vms mail can understand it.
>>
>> Try now.
>
> I get this reply:
>
> From: MIM::
> To: TARDIS::SYSTEM
> CC:
> Subj: Undelivered mail
>
> This is MIM::POSTMASTER. I'm sorry, but I could not deliver your mail.
>
> An error occured while trying to send it, and I cannot recover.
>
> Actual error is Address error.
>
> Additional information: 5.1.2 RFC-5321 address. m203si7390587lfm.109 -
gsmtp
That line was truncated. Fixed that one.
However, like I said, Google is refusing mails with a source address
that
don't pass various rules they have, which is in violation of RFC 5321.
And the silly think is that the error Google gives refers to RFC 5321 as a
reason why they are refusing.
As the source address should be used when reporting any problems back, I
cannot
really fake it either, without potentially loosing more information.
I'm going to try and ping people at Google, but I do not have very high
hopes of this being resolved. So the answer might just be that Google is
broken, and you should avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if anyone is in the mail team.
The original mail is attached below.
(it isn't)
It should have been. Have been all the time I tested. Strange. Are you
> Meanwhile, I've got TARDIS receiving its mail as
> blah at tardis.recondite-computers.co.uk fine but I'm banging my head
against
> a wall with outgoing mail. on all machines.
Google won't play nice,
neith
will my
ISP or my VPS.
But that is another story.
Many ISPs won't let you talk SMTP yourself, but you are expected to use
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
9:46 p.m.
On 2017-04-10 21:32, Ray Jewhurst wrote:
Could this Google thing also be why I can't
receive an attachment from
Spain? I'm in the United States.
Way hard to tell from just us talking like this. It could be any number
of reasons. But, that said, Gmail can certainly be refusing attachements
from specific places, yes.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
10:19 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 10 April 2017 20:46
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] HECnet mail gateway...
On 2017-04-10 21:32, Ray Jewhurst wrote:
> Could this Google thing also be why I can't receive an attachment from
> Spain? I'm in the United States.
More like the attachment has a file type that gmail considers an executable.
Just rename to .CXX or .EXX
Way hard to tell from just us talking like this. It could be any number of
reasons. But, that said, Gmail can certainly be refusing attachements from
specific places, yes.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Dave
9:44 p.m.
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Don't. I know people on that team, and have already pinged them.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
However, like I said, Google is refusing mails
with a source address that don't pass various rules they have, which is in violation
of RFC 5321. And the silly think is that the error Google gives refers to RFC 5321 as a
reason why they are refusing.
As the source address should be used when reporting any problems back, I cannot really
fake it either, without potentially loosing more information. I'm going to try and
ping people at Google, but I do not have very high hopes of this being resolved. So the
answer might just be that Google is broken, and you should avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if anyone is in the mail team.
9:45 p.m.
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Alrighty!
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Don't. I know people on that team, and have already pinged them.
However, like I said, Google is refusing mails
with a source address
that don't pass various rules they have, which is in violation of RFC
5321. And the silly think is that the error Google gives refers to
RFC 5321 as a reason why they are refusing.
As the source address should be used when reporting any problems
back, I cannot really fake it either, without potentially loosing
more information. I'm going to try and ping people at Google, but I
do not have very high hopes of this being resolved. So the answer
might just be that Google is broken, and you should avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if anyone is in the mail team. Johnny
9:47 p.m.
On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can admit now that I've
worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on Gmail though.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Alrighty!
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Don't. I know people on that team, and have already pinged them.
However, like I said, Google is refusing mails
with a source address
that don't pass various rules they have, which is in violation of RFC
5321. And the silly think is that the error Google gives refers to
RFC 5321 as a reason why they are refusing.
As the source address should be used when reporting any problems
back, I cannot really fake it either, without potentially loosing
more information. I'm going to try and ping people at Google, but I
do not have very high hopes of this being resolved. So the answer
might just be that Google is broken, and you should avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if anyone is in the mail team. 
12 Apr
12 Apr
10:37 p.m.
YOU worked at GOOGLE? Say it isn't so, Johnny!
I responded elsewhere, I'm having the reverse problem trying to send mail
to a HECnet address using gmail, and gmail is refusing the user part with
the colons. Quoting it made it go through, but it never arrived at the
destination...
-Mark
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can admit now that I've
worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on Gmail though.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Alrighty!
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
> However, like I said, Google is refusing mails with a source address
> that don't pass various rules they have, which is in violation of RFC
> 5321. And the silly think is that the error Google gives refers to
> RFC 5321 as a reason why they are refusing.
>
> As the source address should be used when reporting any problems
> back, I cannot really fake it either, without potentially loosing
> more information. I'm going to try and ping people at Google, but I
> do not have very high hopes of this being resolved. So the answer
> might just be that Google is broken, and you should avoid it.
>
I'll poke some google friends and see if anyone is in the mail team.
Don't. I know people on that team, and have already pinged them.
13 Apr
13 Apr
12:59 a.m.
On 2017-04-12 22:37, Mark Abene wrote:
YOU worked at GOOGLE? Say it isn't so, Johnny!
Stressing the past tense, yes. No more bqt at google.com for me. :-)
I responded elsewhere, I'm having the reverse
problem trying to send
mail to a HECnet address using gmail, and gmail is refusing the user
part with the colons. Quoting it made it go through, but it never
arrived at the destination...
Not sure exactly what my problem was. But as it was stuck on Mim I
realized that my error handling on the MAIL11 side was not good, so I
redesigned and expanded on it, and somehow that solved the problem with
your mail as well... (or so I think.)
Johnny
-Mark
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
However, like I said, Google is refusing mails with
a source address
that don't pass various rules they have, which is in
violation of RFC
5321. And the silly think is that the error Google
gives refers to
RFC 5321 as a reason why they are refusing.
As the source address should be used when reporting
any problems
back, I cannot really fake it either, without
potentially loosing
more information. I'm going to try and ping people
at Google, but I
do not have very high hopes of this being resolved.
So the answer
might just be that Google is broken, and you should
avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if anyone is in
the mail team.
Don't. I know people on that team, and have already pinged them.
Alrighty!
As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can admit now that I've
worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on Gmail though.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
6:55 a.m.
Hmm.. I don't seem to have received that first test message.
I just sent another to "glgmsh::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se (with quotes) in
gmail, subject is "test #2".
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2017-04-12 22:37, Mark Abene wrote:
YOU worked at GOOGLE? Say it isn't so,
Johnny!
Stressing the past tense, yes. No more bqt at google.com for me. :-)
I responded elsewhere, I'm having the reverse problem trying to send
mail to a HECnet address using gmail, and gmail
is refusing the user
part with the colons. Quoting it made it go through, but it never
arrived at the destination...
Not sure exactly what my problem was. But as it was stuck on Mim I
realized that my error handling on the MAIL11 side was not good, so I
redesigned and expanded on it, and somehow that solved the problem with
your mail as well... (or so I think.)
Johnny
-Mark
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
However, like I said, Google is refusing mails with
a source address
that don't pass various rules they have, which is in
violation of RFC
5321. And the silly think is that the error Google
gives refers to
RFC 5321 as a reason why they are refusing.
As the source address should be used when reporting
any problems
back, I cannot really fake it either, without
potentially loosing
more information. I'm going to try and ping people
at Google, but I
do not have very high hopes of this being resolved.
So the answer
might just be that Google is broken, and you should
avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if anyone is in
the mail team.
Don't. I know people on that team, and have already pinged
them.
Alrighty!
As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can admit now that I've
worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on Gmail though.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
9:39 a.m.
On 2017-04-13 06:55, Mark Abene wrote:
Hmm.. I don't seem to have received that first
test message.
I just sent another to "glgmsh::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se
<http://mim.update.uu.se> (with quotes) in gmail, subject is "test #2".
Well, I can see in the logs that the mail passed through MIM and was
delivered to GLGMSH. What happens after that I have no idea...
Johnny
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
On 2017-04-12 22:37, Mark Abene wrote:
YOU worked at GOOGLE? Say it isn't so, Johnny!
Stressing the past tense, yes. No more bqt at google.com
<mailto:bqt at google.com> for me. :-)
I responded elsewhere, I'm having the reverse problem trying to send
mail to a HECnet address using gmail, and gmail is refusing the user
part with the colons. Quoting it made it go through, but it never
arrived at the destination...
Not sure exactly what my problem was. But as it was stuck on Mim I
realized that my error handling on the MAIL11 side was not good, so
I redesigned and expanded on it, and somehow that solved the problem
with your mail as well... (or so I think.)
Johnny
-Mark
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> wrote:
However, like I said, Google is refusing
mails with
a source address
that don't pass various rules they have,
which is in
violation of RFC
5321. And the silly think is that the error
Google
gives refers to
RFC 5321 as a reason why they are refusing.
As the source address should be used when
reporting
any problems
back, I cannot really fake it either, without
potentially loosing
more information. I'm going to try and ping
people
at Google, but I
do not have very high hopes of this being
resolved.
So the answer
might just be that Google is broken, and you
should
avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if anyone
is in
the mail team.
Don't. I know people on that team, and have already
pinged them.
Alrighty!
As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can admit now
that I've
worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on Gmail though.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -
B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
14 Apr
14 Apr
8:37 a.m.
It does indeed work to my VAX/VMS system, sending to "enkidu::phiber"@
mim.update.uu.se from gmail.
Something odd with my TOPS-20 mail setup on GLGMSH, it assumes ALL mail is
Internet mail, and doesn't seem to know what to do with a DECnet style mail
address. That's a separate issue, not related to your mail gateway.
By the way, if I try to run MAIL on MIM at the moment, it gives me an error:
$ mail
Sorry, no mail reader yet.
It used to work just fine...
Regards
-Mark
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2017-04-13 06:55, Mark Abene wrote:
Hmm.. I don't seem to have received that
first test message.
I just sent another to "glgmsh::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se
<http://mim.update.uu.se> (with quotes) in gmail, subject is "test #2".
Well, I can see in the logs that the mail passed through MIM and was
delivered to GLGMSH. What happens after that I have no idea...
Johnny
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
On 2017-04-12 22:37, Mark Abene wrote:
YOU worked at GOOGLE? Say it isn't so, Johnny!
Stressing the past tense, yes. No more bqt at google.com
<mailto:bqt at google.com> for me. :-)
I responded elsewhere, I'm having the reverse problem trying to
send
mail to a HECnet address using gmail, and gmail is refusing the
user
part with the colons. Quoting it made it go through, but it never
arrived at the destination...
Not sure exactly what my problem was. But as it was stuck on Mim I
realized that my error handling on the MAIL11 side was not good, so
I redesigned and expanded on it, and somehow that solved the problem
with your mail as well... (or so I think.)
Johnny
-Mark
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> wrote:
However, like I said, Google is refusing
mails with
a source address
that don't pass various rules they have,
which is in
violation of RFC
5321. And the silly think is that the error
Google
gives refers to
RFC 5321 as a reason why they are refusing.
As the source address should be used when
reporting
any problems
back, I cannot really fake it either, without
potentially loosing
more information. I'm going to try and ping
people
at Google, but I
do not have very high hopes of this being
resolved.
So the answer
might just be that Google is broken, and you
should
avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if anyone
is in
the mail team.
Don't. I know people on that team, and have already
pinged them.
Alrighty!
As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can admit now
that I've
worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on Gmail
though.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -
B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
1:27 p.m.
On 2017-04-14 08:37, Mark Abene wrote:
It does indeed work to my VAX/VMS system, sending to
"enkidu::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se <http://mim.update.uu.se> from gmail.
Good.
Something odd with my TOPS-20 mail setup on GLGMSH, it
assumes ALL mail
is Internet mail, and doesn't seem to know what to do with a DECnet
style mail address. That's a separate issue, not related to your mail
gateway.
Yeah. So you could not even send to just MIM::BQT from GLGMSH?
By the way, if I try to run MAIL on MIM at the moment,
it gives me an error:
$ mail
Sorry, no mail reader yet.
It used to work just fine...
Yeah. It defaulted to send, since there is no mail reader. Which I
decided was wrong. Try the command "SEND" instead, which does just the
mail sending.
(It can also take two arguments: 1) A short text, and 2) an address, at
which point it will just immediately send that short text.)
Johnny
Regards
-Mark
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
On 2017-04-13 06:55, Mark Abene wrote:
Hmm.. I don't seem to have received that first test message.
I just sent another to "glgmsh::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se
<http://mim.update.uu.se>
<http://mim.update.uu.se> (with quotes) in gmail, subject is
"test #2".
Well, I can see in the logs that the mail passed through MIM and was
delivered to GLGMSH. What happens after that I have no idea...
Johnny
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> wrote:
On 2017-04-12 22:37, Mark Abene wrote:
YOU worked at GOOGLE? Say it isn't so, Johnny!
Stressing the past tense, yes. No more bqt at google.com
<mailto:bqt at google.com>
<mailto:bqt at google.com <mailto:bqt at google.com>> for me.
:-)
I responded elsewhere, I'm having the reverse problem
trying to send
mail to a HECnet address using gmail, and gmail is
refusing the user
part with the colons. Quoting it made it go through, but
it never
arrived at the destination...
Not sure exactly what my problem was. But as it was stuck on
Mim I
realized that my error handling on the MAIL11 side was not
good, so
I redesigned and expanded on it, and somehow that solved the
problem
with your mail as well... (or so I think.)
Johnny
-Mark
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
However, like I said, Google is refusing
mails with
a source address
that don't pass various rules they have,
which is in
violation of RFC
5321. And the silly think is that
the error
Google
gives refers to
RFC 5321 as a reason why they are
refusing.
As the source address should be used
when
reporting
any problems
back, I cannot really fake it
either, without
potentially loosing
more information. I'm going to try
and ping
people
at Google, but I
do not have very high hopes of this
being
resolved.
So the answer
might just be that Google is broken,
and you
should
avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if
anyone
is in
the mail team.
Don't. I know people on that team, and have
already
pinged them.
Alrighty!
As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can
admit now
that I've
worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on
Gmail though.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a
psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>
||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay
hip" -
B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -
B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
15 Apr
15 Apr
8:07 a.m.
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2017-04-14 08:37, Mark Abene wrote:
Nope. The mailer strips DECnet addresses to "HOST:" and fails trying to
deliver this over the Internet.
E.g: if I try to send mail to MIM::BQT, it tries to deliver to "MIM:" and
immediately fails. Haven't yet had time to track down what's going on.
It does indeed work to my VAX/VMS system, sending
to
"enkidu::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se <http://mim.update.uu.se> from gmail.
Good.
Something odd with my TOPS-20 mail setup on GLGMSH, it assumes ALL mail
is Internet mail, and doesn't seem to know
what to do with a DECnet
style mail address. That's a separate issue, not related to your mail
gateway.
Yeah. So you could not even send to just MIM::BQT from GLGMSH?
By the way, if I try to run MAIL on MIM at the moment, it gives me an
How about reading mail sent to MIM? I'm pretty sure I've read test e-mails
that I've sent to MIM, using MAIL on MIM.
-Mark
error:
$ mail
Sorry, no mail reader yet.
It used to work just fine...
Yeah. It defaulted to send, since there is no mail reader. Which I decided
was wrong. Try the command "SEND" instead, which does just the mail sending.
(It can also take two arguments: 1) A short text, and
2) an address, at
which point it will just immediately send that short text.)
Johnny
Regards
-Mark
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
On 2017-04-13 06:55, Mark Abene wrote:
Hmm.. I don't seem to have received that first test message.
I just sent another to "glgmsh::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se
<http://mim.update.uu.se>
<http://mim.update.uu.se> (with quotes) in gmail, subject is
"test #2".
Well, I can see in the logs that the mail passed through MIM and was
delivered to GLGMSH. What happens after that I have no idea...
Johnny
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> wrote:
On 2017-04-12 22:37, Mark Abene wrote:
YOU worked at GOOGLE? Say it isn't so, Johnny!
Stressing the past tense, yes. No more bqt at google.com
<mailto:bqt at google.com>
<mailto:bqt at google.com <mailto:bqt at google.com>> for me.
:-)
I responded elsewhere, I'm having the reverse problem
trying to send
mail to a HECnet address using gmail, and gmail is
refusing the user
part with the colons. Quoting it made it go through, but
it never
arrived at the destination...
Not sure exactly what my problem was. But as it was stuck on
Mim I
realized that my error handling on the MAIL11 side was not
good, so
I redesigned and expanded on it, and somehow that solved the
problem
with your mail as well... (or so I think.)
Johnny
-Mark
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny
Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
However, like I said, Google is
refusing
mails with
a source address
that don't pass various rules they
have,
which is in
violation of RFC
5321. And the silly think is that
the error
Google
gives refers to
RFC 5321 as a reason why they are
refusing.
As the source address should be used
when
reporting
any problems
back, I cannot really fake it
either, without
potentially loosing
more information. I'm going to try
and ping
people
at Google, but I
do not have very high hopes of this
being
resolved.
So the answer
might just be that Google is broken,
and you
should
avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if
anyone
is in
the mail team.
Don't. I know people on that team, and have
already
pinged them.
Alrighty!
As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can
admit now
that I've
worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on
Gmail though.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a
psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>
||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay
hip" -
B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -
B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
8:25 a.m.
I found an old message by MRC where he says that he separated out DECnet
mail server functionality from his TOPS-20 MMAILR because it didn't work
right, and created a standalone MAISER to handle DECnet mail only, leaving
MMAILR to handle Internet mail only. Anyone here know the details of this?
Regards,
Mark
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2017-04-14 08:37, Mark Abene wrote:
Nope. The mailer strips DECnet addresses to "HOST:" and fails trying to
deliver this over the Internet.
E.g: if I try to send mail to MIM::BQT, it tries to deliver to "MIM:" and
immediately fails. Haven't yet had time to track down what's going on.
It does indeed work to my VAX/VMS system, sending
to
"enkidu::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se <http://mim.update.uu.se> from gmail.
Good.
Something odd with my TOPS-20 mail setup on GLGMSH, it assumes ALL mail
is Internet mail, and doesn't seem to know
what to do with a DECnet
style mail address. That's a separate issue, not related to your mail
gateway.
Yeah. So you could not even send to just MIM::BQT from GLGMSH?
By the way, if I try to run MAIL on MIM at the moment, it gives me an
How about reading mail sent to MIM? I'm pretty sure I've read test e-mails
that I've sent to MIM, using MAIL on MIM.
-Mark
error:
$ mail
Sorry, no mail reader yet.
It used to work just fine...
Yeah. It defaulted to send, since there is no mail reader. Which I
decided was wrong. Try the command "SEND" instead, which does just the mail
sending.
(It can also take two arguments: 1) A short text,
and 2) an address, at
which point it will just immediately send that short text.)
Johnny
Regards
-Mark
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
On 2017-04-13 06:55, Mark Abene wrote:
Hmm.. I don't seem to have received that first test message.
I just sent another to "glgmsh::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se
<http://mim.update.uu.se>
<http://mim.update.uu.se> (with quotes) in gmail, subject is
"test #2".
Well, I can see in the logs that the mail passed through MIM and was
delivered to GLGMSH. What happens after that I have no idea...
Johnny
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> wrote:
On 2017-04-12 22:37, Mark Abene wrote:
YOU worked at GOOGLE? Say it isn't so, Johnny!
Stressing the past tense, yes. No more bqt at google.com
<mailto:bqt at google.com>
<mailto:bqt at google.com <mailto:bqt at google.com>> for me.
:-)
I responded elsewhere, I'm having the reverse problem
trying to send
mail to a HECnet address using gmail, and gmail is
refusing the user
part with the colons. Quoting it made it go through, but
it never
arrived at the destination...
Not sure exactly what my problem was. But as it was stuck on
Mim I
realized that my error handling on the MAIL11 side was not
good, so
I redesigned and expanded on it, and somehow that solved the
problem
with your mail as well... (or so I think.)
Johnny
-Mark
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny
Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
However, like I said, Google is
refusing
mails with
a source address
that don't pass various rules they
have,
which is in
violation of RFC
5321. And the silly think is that
the error
Google
gives refers to
RFC 5321 as a reason why they are
refusing.
As the source address should be used
when
reporting
any problems
back, I cannot really fake it
either, without
potentially loosing
more information. I'm going to try
and ping
people
at Google, but I
do not have very high hopes of this
being
resolved.
So the answer
might just be that Google is broken,
and you
should
avoid it.
I'll poke some google friends and see if
anyone
is in
the mail team.
Don't. I know people on that team, and have
already
pinged them.
Alrighty!
As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can
admit now
that I've
worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on
Gmail though.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a
psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>
||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay
hip" -
B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -
B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
11:13 a.m.
Hi.
On 2017-04-15 08:07, Mark Abene wrote:
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
On 2017-04-14 08:37, Mark Abene wrote:
It does indeed work to my VAX/VMS system, sending to
"enkidu::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se <http://mim.update.uu.se>
<http://mim.update.uu.se> from gmail.
Good.
Something odd with my TOPS-20 mail setup on GLGMSH, it assumes
ALL mail
is Internet mail, and doesn't seem to know what to do with a DECnet
style mail address. That's a separate issue, not related to your
mail
gateway.
Yeah. So you could not even send to just MIM::BQT from GLGMSH?
Nope. The mailer strips DECnet addresses to "HOST:" and fails trying to
deliver this over the Internet.
E.g: if I try to send mail to MIM::BQT, it tries to deliver to "MIM:"
and immediately fails. Haven't yet had time to track down what's going on.
Ok. So it's not DECnet aware. There should be some DECnet aware mail
software for TOPS-20 I would think.
By the way, if I try to run MAIL on MIM at the
moment, it gives
me an error:
$ mail
Sorry, no mail reader yet.
It used to work just fine...
Yeah. It defaulted to send, since there is no mail reader. Which I
decided was wrong. Try the command "SEND" instead, which does just
the mail sending.
How about reading mail sent to MIM? I'm pretty sure I've read test
e-mails that I've sent to MIM, using MAIL on MIM.
Currently I just put them all in a text file in DU:[1,7], so look for a
file named as your UIC in that directory. You can read it with MORE or
TYPE, or whatever.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
17 Apr
17 Apr
9:24 a.m.
Yes, I remembered it was SMTDCN, which is the DECnet mailserver analog of
SMTJFN, the TCP/IP mail server. I run SMTJFN right now with no problems.
But I can't seem to find any information on making SMTDCN work...
-Mark
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:13 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Ok. So it's not DECnet aware. There should be some DECnet aware mail
software for TOPS-20 I would think.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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