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7:44 p.m.
You would be hard pressed to find a Cisco router that doesn?t route, so that opens your
options up pretty nicely .:)
I?m a huge fan of the ISR line as they tend to be cheap and have quite nice features.
The big question is what routing bandwidth do you need.
If you just want to route between DSL and LAN then just about any router will do as DSL
speeds are low enough.
If you want to route between LAN segments you will have to be pickier about what models
you are willing to consider.
As an example, the 1800 series routers (like the ones I?ll be sending to Steve and Cory
[and you Ian, I promise to finally send that one!]) route about 70k PPS and 35mbit/sec.
The 2851 I have at home that sits on the edge of my network can route 220K PPS and
112Mbit/sec.
I do all my inter-LAN routing on my switch (3560G) which in comparison can do 38.7M PPS
(with a 32Gbit/sec switch fabric)
This is a great resource for trying to figure out what routers can do:
http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/router…
<http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf>
The additional benefit of having a cisco on the edge is that cisco can route DECnet
natively and you can join the GRE tunnel setup. :)
Please feel free to ask any and all questions!
-brian
On Feb 9, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Hans Vlems <hvlems at
zonnet.nl> wrote:
On my home LAN I have several IP networks in use. VMS systems take care of IP routing.
The ADSL router is too simple to do anything beyond routing to the WAN and one IP net on
the LAN (10.0.0.0/24).
What would be a good Cisco model to rout a few IP nets ( on an otherwise flat LAN)?
?Secondhand and cheap are more important than fast and new :-)
Hans
Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
7:52 p.m.
On 10/02/2016 2:44 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
The additional benefit of having a cisco on the edge
is that cisco can
route DECnet natively and you can join the GRE tunnel setup. :)
Just to add to this...
I have a Cisco 1841 on the edge with a HWIC for handling the DSL side of
things. It of course natively routed DECnet so all my tunnels come into it.
However, prior to this I used to have a Cisco 857 on the edge and a
DECbrouter 90T2a (really a Cisco router for a DEChub 90) behind it. The
Cisco 857 will not do DECnet as it is one of the little IP-only "SOHO"
routers. That did not prevent the DECbrouter from establishing tunnels
through the NAT provided by the 857 though.
As Brian says, feel free to ask more questions, there are plenty Cisco
nerds here :-)
Regards, Tim.
7:55 p.m.
I?ve never used those SOHO ones. Good to know that about them.
So I guess the takeaway is: get a model with 4 digits in the model number. :)
-brian
On Feb 9, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Tim Sneddon <tim at
sneddon.id.au> wrote:
On 10/02/2016 2:44 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
The additional benefit of having a cisco on the
edge is that cisco can
route DECnet natively and you can join the GRE tunnel setup. :)
Just to add to this...
I have a Cisco 1841 on the edge with a HWIC for handling the DSL side of things. It of
course natively routed DECnet so all my tunnels come into it.
However, prior to this I used to have a Cisco 857 on the edge and a DECbrouter 90T2a
(really a Cisco router for a DEChub 90) behind it. The Cisco 857 will not do DECnet as it
is one of the little IP-only "SOHO" routers. That did not prevent the
DECbrouter from establishing tunnels through the NAT provided by the 857 though.
As Brian says, feel free to ask more questions, there are plenty Cisco nerds here :-)
Regards, Tim.
8:03 p.m.
Like 7301. Which there are some on eBay for $150 right now.
Sooooooo tempting. :)
-brian
On Feb 9, 2016, at 1:58 PM, Tim Sneddon <tim at
sneddon.id.au> wrote:
On 10/02/2016 2:55 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I?ve never used those SOHO ones. Good to know
that about them.
So I guess the takeaway is: get a model with 4 digits in the model number. :)
Totally :-)
Tim.
8:10 p.m.
On 10/02/2016 3:03 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Like 7301. Which there are some on eBay for $150 right
now.
Sooooooo tempting. :)
Wow! That is a great price. Have you seen these pictures? They are
from a Telstra Exchange in Queensland. Some pretty serious Cisco and
Juniper gear in there...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/22617113 at N05/sets/72157625780074560/
Tim.
8:13 p.m.
On Feb 9, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Tim Sneddon <tim at
sneddon.id.au> wrote:
On 10/02/2016 3:03 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, $150 for a 7301 is something that I need to resist. I don?t *need* better
performance than what I have now, but if my internet speeds ever go up?? :)
Like 7301. Which there are some on eBay for $150
right now.
Sooooooo tempting. :)
Wow! That is a great price. Have you seen these pictures? They are from a Telstra
Exchange in Queensland. Some pretty serious Cisco and Juniper gear in there... https://www.flickr.com/photos/22617113 at
N05/sets/72157625780074560/
Sexy!!
-brian
8:20 p.m.
On 10/02/2016 3:13 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, $150 for a 7301 is something that I need to
resist. I don?t
*need* better performance than what I have now, but if my internet
speeds ever go up?? :)
I can resist. Internet speed in Australia is shit and it's not going
anywhere for the foreseeable future...
Tim.
8:22 p.m.
Not so here. The gigabit internet war is starting in the US. Google is putting their Fiber
offering in Atlanta (although not where I live, boo!!) and AT&T/Comcast are fighting
back.
It?s just a matter of time until I have gigabit internet. The 2851 totally won?t be able
to handle that.
Hell, the 7301 would have a hard time keeping up. :)
-brian
On Feb 9, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Tim Sneddon <tim at
sneddon.id.au> wrote:
On 10/02/2016 3:13 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yeah, $150 for a 7301 is something that I need to
resist. I don?t
*need* better performance than what I have now, but if my internet
speeds ever go up?? :)
I can resist. Internet speed in Australia is shit and it's not going anywhere for
the foreseeable future...
Tim.
8:27 p.m.
On 10/02/2016 3:22 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Not so here. The gigabit internet war is starting in
the US. Google
is putting their Fiber offering in Atlanta (although not where I
live, boo!!) and AT&T/Comcast are fighting back.
It?s just a matter of time until I have gigabit internet. The 2851
totally won?t be able to handle that.
Hell, the 7301 would have a hard time keeping up. :)
I'm reminded of the scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian, where Brian
is thrown into the cell with the crazy old guy chained to the wall...
"You lucky, lucky, lucky bastard!"
:-)
Regards, Tim.
8:28 p.m.
:)
Maybe by the time I can get gigabit internet an NPE-G2 won?t cost so much.
-brian
On Feb 9, 2016, at 2:27 PM, Tim Sneddon <tim at
sneddon.id.au> wrote:
On 10/02/2016 3:22 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Not so here. The gigabit internet war is starting
in the US. Google
is putting their Fiber offering in Atlanta (although not where I
live, boo!!) and AT&T/Comcast are fighting back.
It?s just a matter of time until I have gigabit internet. The 2851
totally won?t be able to handle that.
Hell, the 7301 would have a hard time keeping up. :)
I'm reminded of the scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian, where Brian is
thrown into the cell with the crazy old guy chained to the wall...
"You lucky, lucky, lucky bastard!"
:-)
Regards, Tim. 
9:42 p.m.
On 02/09/2016 02:22 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Not so here. The gigabit internet war is starting in
the US. Google is putting their Fiber offering in Atlanta (although not where I live,
boo!!) and AT&T/Comcast are fighting back.
It?s just a matter of time until I have gigabit internet. The 2851 totally won?t be able
to handle that.
Hell, the 7301 would have a hard time keeping up. :)
I recently picked up a Catalyst 6503 (with Sup32, but I have a Sup720
on the way for it) for the new building. Ohhh MAN is it nice!
I was so impressed with it that I bought another one to replace the
4503 that's acting as the core switch in the first building. It'll also
likely end up replacing the 7206VXR (NPE-G1) for tunneling and routing
tasks.
Now I have to find IOS for the Sup720. Anyone gots? =)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
9:48 p.m.
On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire
at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/09/2016 02:22 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I can only imagine! The 6500 is a swell beast.
Not so here. The gigabit internet war is starting
in the US. Google is putting their Fiber offering in Atlanta (although not where I live,
boo!!) and AT&T/Comcast are fighting back.
It?s just a matter of time until I have gigabit internet. The 2851 totally won?t be able
to handle that.
Hell, the 7301 would have a hard time keeping up. :)
I recently picked up a Catalyst 6503 (with Sup32, but I have a Sup720
on the way for it) for the new building. Ohhh MAN is it nice! I was so impressed with it that I bought another one
to replace the
4503 that's acting as the core switch in the first building. It'll also
likely end up replacing the 7206VXR (NPE-G1) for tunneling and routing
tasks.
I wonder how much of that a 3560G could do. Although I like having a proper router on the
edge. :)
Now I have to find IOS for the Sup720. Anyone gots?
=)
I should be able to, I?ll look later tonight.
-brian
10 Feb
10 Feb
12:26 a.m.
I do
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On Feb 9, 2016, at 12:42, Dave McGuire <mcguire at
neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/09/2016 02:22 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Not so here. The gigabit internet war is starting in the US. Google is putting their
Fiber offering in Atlanta (although not where I live, boo!!) and AT&T/Comcast are
fighting back.
It?s just a matter of time until I have gigabit internet. The 2851 totally won?t be able
to handle that.
Hell, the 7301 would have a hard time keeping up. :)
I recently picked up a Catalyst 6503 (with Sup32, but I have a Sup720
on the way for it) for the new building. Ohhh MAN is it nice!
I was so impressed with it that I bought another one to replace the
4503 that's acting as the core switch in the first building. It'll also
likely end up replacing the 7206VXR (NPE-G1) for tunneling and routing
tasks.
Now I have to find IOS for the Sup720. Anyone gots? =)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
9 Feb
9 Feb
8:36 p.m.
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9:23 p.m.
I guess the next steps are finding out what your budget is and what the local used cisco
market looks like.
-brian
On Feb 9, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Hans Vlems <hvlems at
zonnet.nl> wrote:
Yes, if that wasn't a tautology :-)
My objectives are simple:
- just LAN routing
- at least two ethernet interfaces
- 100 Mb/s, 1 Gb/s would be nice
- learn a bit about configuring a Cisco
Hans
Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
Van: Brian Hechinger
Verzonden: dinsdag 9 februari 2016 19:44
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] OT Cisco question
You would be hard pressed to find a Cisco router that doesn?t route, so that opens your
options up pretty nicely .:)
I?m a huge fan of the ISR line as they tend to be cheap and have quite nice features.
The big question is what routing bandwidth do you need.
If you just want to route between DSL and LAN then just about any router will do as DSL
speeds are low enough.
If you want to route between LAN segments you will have to be pickier about what models
you are willing to consider.
As an example, the 1800 series routers (like the ones I?ll be sending to Steve and Cory
[and you Ian, I promise to finally send that one!]) route about 70k PPS and 35mbit/sec.
The 2851 I have at home that sits on the edge of my network can route 220K PPS and
112Mbit/sec.
I do all my inter-LAN routing on my switch (3560G) which in comparison can do 38.7M PPS
(with a 32Gbit/sec switch fabric)
This is a great resource for trying to figure out what routers can do:
http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/router…
<http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf>
The additional benefit of having a cisco on the edge is that cisco can route DECnet
natively and you can join the GRE tunnel setup. :)
Please feel free to ask any and all questions!
-brian
On Feb 9, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Hans Vlems
<hvlems at zonnet.nl <mailto:hvlems at zonnet.nl>> wrote:
On my home LAN I have several IP networks in use. VMS systems take care of IP routing.
The ADSL router is too simple to do anything beyond routing to the WAN and one IP net on
the LAN (10.0.0.0/24).
What would be a good Cisco model to rout a few IP nets ( on an otherwise flat LAN)?
?Secondhand and cheap are more important than fast and new :-)
Hans
Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
9:30 p.m.
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10 Feb
10 Feb
3:40 a.m.
On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I?m a huge fan of the ISR line as they tend to be
cheap and have quite nice features.
The big question is what routing bandwidth do you need.
If you just want to route between DSL and LAN then just about any router
will do as DSL speeds are low enough.
If you want to route between LAN segments you will have to be pickier about
what models you are willing to consider.
As an example, the 1800 series routers (like the ones I?ll be sending to Steve
and Cory [and you Ian, I promise to finally send that one!]) route about
70k PPS and 35mbit/sec.
The 2851 I have at home that sits on the edge of my network can route
220K PPS and 112Mbit/sec.
I had been very happy with the ISR line having bought a 2901 a few years back.
This past June my bookkeeper was ready for an upgrade at her site (the
offered 851 came from there). I took this as an opportune time to upgrade
my ISR2901 to a new ISR4321 and migrate my existing ISR2901 to the
bookkeeper's office.
At the time we were upgrading the internet links at both sites from 12Mbit
cable service to 50Mbit cable service. Hence the need for a device with more
throughput. The upgrade at my place came along first and I was getting 59Mbits
on the service while paying for 50Mbits. It was nice that Comcast rounded up
their rate limiting so I would have no basis to complain. I then received the
ISR4321 and got it running and deployed the 2901 at the Bookkeepers office.
The bookkeeper was now getting 59Mbits as well, however back at my office,
I was only seeing 47Mbits with the newly deployed ISR4321. In fact, I could
still measure 59Mbits with the WiFi router connected to the same Cable
modem. I dig around and read the detail I had originally overlooked when
I selected the ISR4321. As it turns out, the ISR4321 comes with some built
in software throttling which is rated at 50Mbits. The measurements I've
been quoting are speedtest.net measurements which I think are merely
measuring TCP payload delivery rates and ignore the IP and TCP packet
headers in the computation. The Cisco 50Mbit rate limit includes all the
bits on the wire and as such the 47Mbits of TCP payload was in fact the
Cisco limit. This rate limit can be upgraded to 100Mbits for an extra fee
of $1000. Needless to say I was not particularly happy. The solution I
came up with was to buy a used 2901 on eBay for about $800 and sell
the lightly used ISR4321 for about $1200. The 2901 is rated to go up to
about 160Mbit/sec without any extra fees!
To repeat the previous offer, there are a Cisco 851 and Cisco 2620 routers
available for the asking for the cost of shipping.
- Mark
3:49 a.m.
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016, Mark Pizzolato wrote:
To repeat the previous offer, there are a Cisco 851 and Cisco 2620 routers
available for the asking for the cost of shipping.
I'll take the 851...it'll find use here for some sort of bridge I bet.
...at this rate, I will have a 24-port switch and router for every lamp.
(I like labbing networking!)
- Mark
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
5:17 a.m.
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 02/09/2016 09:49 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
As have I, apparently.
(I like labbing networking!)
"Lab" has been verbed?
-Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
10:27 a.m.
Mark,
How many ethernet ports has the 2620?
Any idea what shipping to the Netherlands Would amount to?
And can it run on 230V / 50 Hz mains power?
Hans
Verzonden?vanaf?mijn?BlackBerry?10-smartphone.
? Origineel bericht ?
Van: Mark Pizzolato
Verzonden: woensdag 10 februari 2016 03:40
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: RE: [HECnet] OT Cisco question
On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I?m a huge fan of the ISR line as they tend to be
cheap and have quite nice features.
The big question is what routing bandwidth do you need.
If you just want to route between DSL and LAN then just about any router
will do as DSL speeds are low enough.
If you want to route between LAN segments you will have to be pickier about
what models you are willing to consider.
As an example, the 1800 series routers (like the ones I?ll be sending to Steve
and Cory [and you Ian, I promise to finally send that one!]) route about
70k PPS and 35mbit/sec.
The 2851 I have at home that sits on the edge of my network can route
220K PPS and 112Mbit/sec.
I had been very happy with the ISR line having bought a 2901 a few years back.
This past June my bookkeeper was ready for an upgrade at her site (the
offered 851 came from there). I took this as an opportune time to upgrade
my ISR2901 to a new ISR4321 and migrate my existing ISR2901 to the
bookkeeper's office.
At the time we were upgrading the internet links at both sites from 12Mbit
cable service to 50Mbit cable service. Hence the need for a device with more
throughput. The upgrade at my place came along first and I was getting 59Mbits
on the service while paying for 50Mbits. It was nice that Comcast rounded up
their rate limiting so I would have no basis to complain. I then received the
ISR4321 and got it running and deployed the 2901 at the Bookkeepers office.
The bookkeeper was now getting 59Mbits as well, however back at my office,
I was only seeing 47Mbits with the newly deployed ISR4321. In fact, I could
still measure 59Mbits with the WiFi router connected to the same Cable
modem. I dig around and read the detail I had originally overlooked when
I selected the ISR4321. As it turns out, the ISR4321 comes with some built
in software throttling which is rated at 50Mbits. The measurements I've
been quoting are speedtest.net measurements which I think are merely
measuring TCP payload delivery rates and ignore the IP and TCP packet
headers in the computation. The Cisco 50Mbit rate limit includes all the
bits on the wire and as such the 47Mbits of TCP payload was in fact the
Cisco limit. This rate limit can be upgraded to 100Mbits for an extra fee
of $1000. Needless to say I was not particularly happy. The solution I
came up with was to buy a used 2901 on eBay for about $800 and sell
the lightly used ISR4321 for about $1200. The 2901 is rated to go up to
about 160Mbit/sec without any extra fees!
To repeat the previous offer, there are a Cisco 851 and Cisco 2620 routers
available for the asking for the cost of shipping.
- Mark
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