6 Sep
2015
6 Sep
'15
12:13 a.m.
Guys,
Is it possible to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX compatibility
module installed?
Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than the
standard VMS mail client..
Sampsa
6 Sep
6 Sep
4:39 a.m.
New subject: New node: Moshix (8.199)
Johnny,
Could you please add node Moshix to correspond to address 8.199
It's a SIMH VAX running VMS 7.3 based in Houston, TX run by my buddy Moishe Bar.
He'll be connecting via the bridge to GORVAX.
Sampsa
4:53 a.m.
New subject: Running the RSX-11 MAIL-11 client on VAX VMS with the RSX emulation installed
Samosa,
The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that does most
of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program. Then the
actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates with the
MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated program as it
accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval by the ...MAI
task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in Fortran whose sole
job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got mail. This system was
written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I remember seeing the files
also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place to get the files as
I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know that you
would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there are
probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with VMS
time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about the
Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is the
area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email files
different than VMS a.
Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
Mark
On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at
mac.com> wrote:
Guys,
Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX compatibility
module installed?
Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than the
standard VMS mail client..
Sampsa
4:58 a.m.
New subject: Running the RSX-11 MAIL-11 client on VAX VMS with the RSX emulation installed
Their are multiple versions of the MAIL-11 program for RSX. One was written in MACRO-11.
Another was written in BP2. I have not seen the FORTRAN version. The BP2 version was
used heavily by DEC Software Services. It started out life on RSTS/E (written by Steven
Reilly) and was ported to RSX (by Scott Blessley). I worked in the same group with Scott
in Maynard, MA.
-Steve
On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com> wrote:
Samosa,
The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that does most
of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program. Then the
actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates with the
MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated program as it
accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval by the ...MAI
task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in Fortran whose sole
job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got mail. This system was
written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I remember seeing the files
also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place to get the files as
I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know that you
would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there are
probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with VMS
time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about the
Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is the
area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email files
different than VMS a.
Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
Mark
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX compatibility
module installed?
>
> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>
> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than the
standard VMS mail client..
>
> Sampsa
>
4:59 a.m.
I'm talking about the one on MIM - it has a really nice interface.
Sampsa
On 6 Sep 2015, at 03:58, Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net> wrote:
Their are multiple versions of the MAIL-11 program for
RSX. One was written in MACRO-11. Another was written in BP2. I have not seen the
FORTRAN version. The BP2 version was used heavily by DEC Software Services. It started
out life on RSTS/E (written by Steven Reilly) and was ported to RSX (by Scott Blessley).
I worked in the same group with Scott in Maynard, MA.
-Steve
On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com> wrote:
Samosa,
The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that does most
of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program. Then the
actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates with the
MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated program as it
accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval by the ...MAI
task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in Fortran whose sole
job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got mail. This system was
written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I remember seeing the files
also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place to get the files as
I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know that you
would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there are
probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with VMS
time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about the
Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is the
area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email files
different than VMS a.
Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
Mark
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX compatibility
module installed?
>
> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>
> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than the
standard VMS mail client..
>
> Sampsa
>
2:30 p.m.
On 2015-09-06 04:58, Steve Davidson wrote:
Their are multiple versions of the MAIL-11 program for
RSX. One was written in MACRO-11. Another was written in BP2. I have not seen the
FORTRAN version. The BP2 version was used heavily by DEC Software Services. It started
out life on RSTS/E (written by Steven Reilly) and was ported to RSX (by Scott Blessley).
I worked in the same group with Scott in Maynard, MA.
Yes. That would be the one I have. Do you happen to have contact with
any of those people? If we could get sources, there are a couple of
things I'd like to fix, like Y2K bugs. :-)
Johnny
-Steve
On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com> wrote:
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Samosa,
The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that does most
of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program. Then the
actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates with the
MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated program as it
accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval by the ...MAI
task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in Fortran whose sole
job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got mail. This system was
written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I remember seeing the files
also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place to get the files as
I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know that you
would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there are
probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with VMS
time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about the
Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is the
area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email files
different than VMS a.
Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
Mark
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX compatibility
module installed?
>
> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>
> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than the
standard VMS mail client..
>
> Sampsa
>
2:36 p.m.
New subject: Running the RSX-11 MAIL-11 client on VAX VMS with the RSX emulation installed
Johnny,
Well? Steven lives across the street but I doubt he still has any of the sources. Scott
lives in Arizona and I will be there on the 24?th. I will ask him.
-Steve
On Sep 6, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2015-09-06 04:58, Steve Davidson wrote:
Their are multiple versions of the MAIL-11
program for RSX. One was written in MACRO-11. Another was written in BP2. I have not
seen the FORTRAN version. The BP2 version was used heavily by DEC Software Services. It
started out life on RSTS/E (written by Steven Reilly) and was ported to RSX (by Scott
Blessley). I worked in the same group with Scott in Maynard, MA.
Yes. That would be the one I have. Do you happen to have contact with any of those
people? If we could get sources, there are a couple of things I'd like to fix, like
Y2K bugs. :-)
Johnny
-Steve
On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com> wrote:
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Samosa,
The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that does most
of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program. Then the
actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates with the
MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated program as it
accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval by the ...MAI
task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in Fortran whose sole
job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got mail. This system was
written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I remember seeing the files
also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place to get the files as
I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know that you
would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there are
probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with VMS
time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about the
Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is the
area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email files
different than VMS a.
Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
Mark
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX compatibility
module installed?
>
> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>
> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than the
standard VMS mail client..
>
> Sampsa
>
4:44 p.m.
New subject: Running the RSX-11 MAIL-11 client on VAX VMS with the RSX emulation installed
Sent email to Scott. He does not have the sources. He barely remembers it. SIGH...
-Steve
On Sep 6, 2015, at 08:36, Steve Davidson <steve at
davidson.net> wrote:
Johnny,
Well? Steven lives across the street but I doubt he still has any of the sources. Scott
lives in Arizona and I will be there on the 24?th. I will ask him.
-Steve
On Sep 6, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2015-09-06 04:58, Steve Davidson wrote:
Their are multiple versions of the MAIL-11 program for RSX. One was written in MACRO-11.
Another was written in BP2. I have not seen the FORTRAN version. The BP2 version was
used heavily by DEC Software Services. It started out life on RSTS/E (written by Steven
Reilly) and was ported to RSX (by Scott Blessley). I worked in the same group with Scott
in Maynard, MA.
Yes. That would be the one I have. Do you happen to have contact with any of those
people? If we could get sources, there are a couple of things I'd like to fix, like
Y2K bugs. :-)
Johnny
-Steve
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com> wrote:
>
> Samosa,
> The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that does
most of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program. Then
the actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates with
the MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated program as
it accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval by the
...MAI task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in Fortran whose
sole job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got mail. This system
was written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I remember seeing the
files also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place to get the files as
I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
>
> As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know that you
would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there are
probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with VMS
time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about the
Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is the
area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email files
different than VMS a.
>
> Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
>
> Mark
>
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX
compatibility module installed?
>>
>> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>>
>> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than
the standard VMS mail client..
>>
>> Sampsa
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
4:52 p.m.
On 2015-09-06 16:44, Steve Davidson wrote:
Sent email to Scott. He does not have the sources.
He barely remembers it. SIGH...
Thanks. It was worth a try.
Johnny
-Steve
> On Sep 6, 2015, at 08:36, Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net> wrote:
>
> Johnny,
>
> Well? Steven lives across the street but I doubt he still has any of the sources.
Scott lives in Arizona and I will be there on the 24?th. I will ask him.
>
> -Steve
>
>> On Sep 6, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-09-06 04:58, Steve Davidson wrote:
>>> Their are multiple versions of the MAIL-11 program for RSX. One was written
in MACRO-11. Another was written in BP2. I have not seen the FORTRAN version. The BP2
version was used heavily by DEC Software Services. It started out life on RSTS/E (written
by Steven Reilly) and was ported to RSX (by Scott Blessley). I worked in the same group
with Scott in Maynard, MA.
>>
>> Yes. That would be the one I have. Do you happen to have contact with any of
those people? If we could get sources, there are a couple of things I'd like to fix,
like Y2K bugs. :-)
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Mark Matlock <mark at
matlockfamily.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Samosa,
>>>> The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task
that does most of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran
program. Then the actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It
communicates with the MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most
complicated program as it accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages
for retrieval by the ...MAI task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task
written in Fortran whose sole job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they
just got mail. This system was written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes,
but I remember seeing the files also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better
place to get the files as I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
>>>>
>>>> As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't
know that you would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it
there are probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work
with VMS time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know
about the Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this
is the area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email
files different than VMS a.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the
RSX compatibility module installed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer
to use than the standard VMS mail client..
>>>>>
>>>>> Sampsa
>>
>>
>> --
>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>> || on a psychedelic trip
>> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
9:44 p.m.
Wow, what kind of programmer doesn't keep copies of what he/she
writes? I've kept copies of *everything* I've written, even firmware
for missiles, literally. (sometimes getting it out of the workplace is
"interesting", but there's always a way!)
-Dave
On 09/06/2015 10:44 AM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Sent email to Scott. He does not have the sources.
He barely remembers it. SIGH...
-Steve
> On Sep 6, 2015, at 08:36, Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net> wrote:
>
> Johnny,
>
> Well? Steven lives across the street but I doubt he still has any of the sources.
Scott lives in Arizona and I will be there on the 24?th. I will ask him.
>
> -Steve
>
>> On Sep 6, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-09-06 04:58, Steve Davidson wrote:
>>> Their are multiple versions of the MAIL-11 program for RSX. One was written
in MACRO-11. Another was written in BP2. I have not seen the FORTRAN version. The BP2
version was used heavily by DEC Software Services. It started out life on RSTS/E (written
by Steven Reilly) and was ported to RSX (by Scott Blessley). I worked in the same group
with Scott in Maynard, MA.
>>
>> Yes. That would be the one I have. Do you happen to have contact with any of
those people? If we could get sources, there are a couple of things I'd like to fix,
like Y2K bugs. :-)
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Mark Matlock <mark at
matlockfamily.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Samosa,
>>>> The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task
that does most of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran
program. Then the actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It
communicates with the MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most
complicated program as it accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages
for retrieval by the ...MAI task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task
written in Fortran whose sole job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they
just got mail. This system was written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes,
but I remember seeing the files also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better
place to get the files as I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
>>>>
>>>> As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't
know that you would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it
there are probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work
with VMS time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know
about the Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this
is the area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email
files different than VMS a.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the
RSX compatibility module installed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer
to use than the standard VMS mail client..
>>>>>
>>>>> Sampsa
>>
>>
>> --
>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>> || on a psychedelic trip
>> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
2:29 p.m.
On 2015-09-06 04:53, Mark Matlock wrote:
Samosa,
The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that does
most of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program. Then
the actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates with
the MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated program as
it accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval by the
...MAI task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in Fortran whose
sole job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got mail. This system
was written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I remember seeing the
files also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place to get the files as
I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know that you
would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there are
probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with VMS
time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about the
Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is the
area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email files
different than VMS a.
Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
Yes, as I suspect Sampsa is talking about the mail program on MIM, which
is not the thing you are talking about, Mark.
DEC actually made a product called MAIL-11, which is what I have installed.
It's mostly written in BASIC+2, and have a slightly different set of
tasks with responsibilities. And it has way more features than the DECUS
MAIL-11.
But I do not think it is possible to run under VMS. However, it might be
that it is possible to use just the client, since I believe it can talk
to a mail server on another machine. But I have never looked how that
work in DECnet.
Johnny
Mark
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX compatibility
module installed?
>
> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>
> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than the
standard VMS mail client..
>
> Sampsa
>
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
3:18 p.m.
Bummer.
Does anyone have a nice turnkey image of RSX (with DECNET) that I could run this on?
I've been itching to run a PDP-11 OS for a while now but am a total n00b..
Sampsa
On 6 Sep 2015, at 13:29, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2015-09-06 04:53, Mark Matlock wrote:
Samosa,
The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that does most
of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program. Then the
actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates with the
MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated program as it
accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval by the ...MAI
task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in Fortran whose sole
job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got mail. This system was
written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I remember seeing the files
also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place to get the files as
I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know that you
would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there are
probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with VMS
time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about the
Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is the
area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email files
different than VMS a.
Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
Yes, as I suspect Sampsa is talking about the mail program on MIM, which is not the thing
you are talking about, Mark.
DEC actually made a product called MAIL-11, which is what I have installed.
It's mostly written in BASIC+2, and have a slightly different set of tasks with
responsibilities. And it has way more features than the DECUS MAIL-11.
But I do not think it is possible to run under VMS. However, it might be that it is
possible to use just the client, since I believe it can talk to a mail server on another
machine. But I have never looked how that work in DECnet.
Johnny
Mark
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX compatibility
module installed?
>
> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>
> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than the
standard VMS mail client..
>
> Sampsa
>
--
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On 2015-09-06 15:18, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Bummer.
Does anyone have a nice turnkey image of RSX (with DECNET) that I could run this on?
RSX and "turnkey" do not really mesh that well in a sentence... :-)
DEC did try it. It was called MicroRSX. I do not want to play with that.
But it might work for you if you actually prefer something you can't
customize... :-)
Afraid I don't have it, though.
I've been itching to run a PDP-11 OS for a while
now but am a total n00b..
You should. PDP-11s are fun. However, it all depends on your definition
of fun.
Johnny
Sampsa
On 6 Sep 2015, at 13:29, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
--
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2015-09-06 04:53, Mark Matlock wrote:
Samosa,
The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that does
most of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program. Then
the actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates with
the MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated program as
it accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval by the
...MAI task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in Fortran whose
sole job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got mail. This system
was written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I remember seeing the
files also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place to get the files as
I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know that you
would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there are
probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with VMS
time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about the
Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is the
area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email files
different than VMS a.
Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
Yes, as I suspect Sampsa is talking about the mail program on MIM, which is not the thing
you are talking about, Mark.
DEC actually made a product called MAIL-11, which is what I have installed.
It's mostly written in BASIC+2, and have a slightly different set of tasks with
responsibilities. And it has way more features than the DECUS MAIL-11.
But I do not think it is possible to run under VMS. However, it might be that it is
possible to use just the client, since I believe it can talk to a mail server on another
machine. But I have never looked how that work in DECnet.
Johnny
Mark
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX compatibility
module installed?
>
> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>
> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than the
standard VMS mail client..
>
> Sampsa
>
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
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pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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4 p.m.
BTW, this is the RSX mail client I was talking about:
http://sampsa.com/decmail11.png
I'm sure there must be SOMEONE with a fairly easy to use RSX image for SIMH on this
list? :)
On 6 Sep 2015, at 14:22, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2015-09-06 15:18, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Bummer.
Does anyone have a nice turnkey image of RSX (with DECNET) that I could run this on?
RSX and "turnkey" do not really mesh that well in a sentence... :-)
DEC did try it. It was called MicroRSX. I do not want to play with that. But it might
work for you if you actually prefer something you can't customize... :-)
Afraid I don't have it, though.
I've been itching to run a PDP-11 OS for a
while now but am a total n00b..
You should. PDP-11s are fun. However, it all depends on your definition of fun.
Johnny
Sampsa
On 6 Sep 2015, at 13:29, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
--
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https://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/hecnet-list On 2015-09-06 04:53, Mark Matlock wrote:
Samosa,
The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that does most
of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program. Then the
actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates with the
MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated program as it
accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval by the ...MAI
task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in Fortran whose sole
job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got mail. This system was
written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I remember seeing the files
also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place to get the files as
I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know that you
would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there are
probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with VMS
time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about the
Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is the
area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email files
different than VMS a.
Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
Yes, as I suspect Sampsa is talking about the mail program on MIM, which is not the thing
you are talking about, Mark.
DEC actually made a product called MAIL-11, which is what I have installed.
It's mostly written in BASIC+2, and have a slightly different set of tasks with
responsibilities. And it has way more features than the DECUS MAIL-11.
But I do not think it is possible to run under VMS. However, it might be that it is
possible to use just the client, since I believe it can talk to a mail server on another
machine. But I have never looked how that work in DECnet.
Johnny
Mark
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX compatibility
module installed?
>
> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>
> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than the
standard VMS mail client..
>
> Sampsa
>
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
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4:22 p.m.
On 2015-09-06 16:00, Sampsa Laine wrote:
BTW, this is the RSX mail client I was talking about:
http://sampsa.com/decmail11.png
Yup. That is the DEC Mail-11. Version 3.1. Also exists for RSTS/E, but I
haven't tried it.
I actually also have the paper manuals for it. :-)
I'm sure there must be SOMEONE with a fairly easy
to use RSX image for SIMH on this list? :)
I know there is a disk image with RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 on trailing-edge,
and I think it also has DECnet on there. Try that one?
However, I believe you will have to run through a SYSGEN before things
are reasonable.
Johnny
On 6 Sep 2015, at 14:22, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2015-09-06 15:18, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Bummer.
Does anyone have a nice turnkey image of RSX (with DECNET) that I could run this on?
RSX and "turnkey" do not really mesh that well in a sentence... :-)
DEC did try it. It was called MicroRSX. I do not want to play with that. But it might
work for you if you actually prefer something you can't customize... :-)
Afraid I don't have it, though.
I've been itching to run a PDP-11 OS for a
while now but am a total n00b..
You should. PDP-11s are fun. However, it all depends on your definition of fun.
Johnny
Sampsa
On 6 Sep 2015, at 13:29, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
--
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https://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/hecnet-list On 2015-09-06 04:53, Mark Matlock wrote:
> Samosa,
> The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that does
most of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program. Then
the actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates with
the MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated program as
it accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval by the
...MAI task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in Fortran whose
sole job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got mail. This system
was written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I remember seeing the
files also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place to get the files as
I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
>
> As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know that
you would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there are
probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with VMS
time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about the
Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is the
area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email files
different than VMS a.
>
> Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
Yes, as I suspect Sampsa is talking about the mail program on MIM, which is not the thing
you are talking about, Mark.
DEC actually made a product called MAIL-11, which is what I have installed.
It's mostly written in BASIC+2, and have a slightly different set of tasks with
responsibilities. And it has way more features than the DECUS MAIL-11.
But I do not think it is possible to run under VMS. However, it might be that it is
possible to use just the client, since I believe it can talk to a mail server on another
machine. But I have never looked how that work in DECnet.
Johnny
>
> Mark
>
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX
compatibility module installed?
>>
>> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>>
>> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than
the standard VMS mail client..
>>
>> Sampsa
>>
--
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4:24 p.m.
New subject: Running the RSX-11 MAIL-11 client on VAX VMS with the RSX emulation installed
Sampsa,
That is what comes with RSTS/E. Send me a node name and number and I will try to build you
a system. I may have time later tomorrow.
-Steve
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 6, 2015, at 10:00, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at
mac.com> wrote:
BTW, this is the RSX mail client I was talking about:
http://sampsa.com/decmail11.png
I'm sure there must be SOMEONE with a fairly easy to use RSX image for SIMH on this
list? :)
On 6 Sep 2015, at 14:22, Johnny Billquist <bqt
at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2015-09-06 15:18, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Bummer.
Does anyone have a nice turnkey image of RSX (with DECNET) that I could run this on?
RSX and "turnkey" do not really mesh that well in a sentence... :-)
DEC did try it. It was called MicroRSX. I do not want to play with that. But it might
work for you if you actually prefer something you can't customize... :-)
Afraid I don't have it, though.
I've been itching to run a PDP-11 OS for a
while now but am a total n00b..
You should. PDP-11s are fun. However, it all depends on your definition of fun.
Johnny
Sampsa
> On 6 Sep 2015, at 13:29, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-09-06 04:53, Mark Matlock wrote:
>> Samosa,
>> The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that
does most of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program.
Then the actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates
with the MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated
program as it accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval
by the ...MAI task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in
Fortran whose sole job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got
mail. This system was written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I
remember seeing the files also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place
to get the files as I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
>>
>> As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know
that you would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there
are probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with
VMS time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about
the Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is
the area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email
files different than VMS a.
>>
>> Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
>
> Yes, as I suspect Sampsa is talking about the mail program on MIM, which is not the
thing you are talking about, Mark.
>
> DEC actually made a product called MAIL-11, which is what I have installed.
>
> It's mostly written in BASIC+2, and have a slightly different set of tasks with
responsibilities. And it has way more features than the DECUS MAIL-11.
>
> But I do not think it is possible to run under VMS. However, it might be that it is
possible to use just the client, since I believe it can talk to a mail server on another
machine. But I have never looked how that work in DECnet.
>
> Johnny
>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX
compatibility module installed?
>>>
>>> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>>>
>>> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use
than the standard VMS mail client..
>>>
>>> Sampsa
>
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
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4:29 p.m.
New subject: Running the RSX-11 MAIL-11 client on VAX VMS with the RSX emulation installed
Samosa,
Johnny is right that RSX is typically customized for a particular set of hardware but
with Simh and DU disk drives it is pretty easy to set up a fairly generic system that will
run under Simh on PC Linux, BeagleBones, Raspberry PI or Windows.
I can send you a generic image that is configured for a PDP a-11/93 (has TOY clock that
saves some typing at boot) with a DU (4 units), DL (you will want this RL02) to load
updates of Johnny's BQTCP/IP), an MS, MU, and DY (to access floppy images). I usually
use a RD54 image (~154MB) as a nice size for RSX. I am travelling today and tomorrow, but
if you have an anonymous FTP somewhere I can upload a RSX11M+ V4.6 (with DECnet, F77, BP2
V2.5, DTR, APL, etc) .DSK file.
I don't have Mail-11 on it but now I want to figure out how.
Mark
On Sep 6, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at
mac.com> wrote:
BTW, this is the RSX mail client I was talking about:
http://sampsa.com/decmail11.png
I'm sure there must be SOMEONE with a fairly easy to use RSX image for SIMH on this
list? :)
On 6 Sep 2015, at 14:22, Johnny Billquist <bqt
at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2015-09-06 15:18, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Bummer.
Does anyone have a nice turnkey image of RSX (with DECNET) that I could run this on?
RSX and "turnkey" do not really mesh that well in a sentence... :-)
DEC did try it. It was called MicroRSX. I do not want to play with that. But it might
work for you if you actually prefer something you can't customize... :-)
Afraid I don't have it, though.
I've been itching to run a PDP-11 OS for a
while now but am a total n00b..
You should. PDP-11s are fun. However, it all depends on your definition of fun.
Johnny
Sampsa
> On 6 Sep 2015, at 13:29, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-09-06 04:53, Mark Matlock wrote:
>> Samosa,
>> The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI task that
does most of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran program.
Then the actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It communicates
with the MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most complicated
program as it accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages for retrieval
by the ...MAI task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task written in
Fortran whose sole job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they just got
mail. This system was written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes, but I
remember seeing the files also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better place
to get the files as I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
>>
>> As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I don't know
that you would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest. With out it there
are probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be modified to work with
VMS time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I don't know about
the Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I recall, but this is
the area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX stores in the email
files different than VMS a.
>>
>> Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
>
> Yes, as I suspect Sampsa is talking about the mail program on MIM, which is not the
thing you are talking about, Mark.
>
> DEC actually made a product called MAIL-11, which is what I have installed.
>
> It's mostly written in BASIC+2, and have a slightly different set of tasks with
responsibilities. And it has way more features than the DECUS MAIL-11.
>
> But I do not think it is possible to run under VMS. However, it might be that it is
possible to use just the client, since I believe it can talk to a mail server on another
machine. But I have never looked how that work in DECnet.
>
> Johnny
>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX
compatibility module installed?
>>>
>>> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>>>
>>> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use
than the standard VMS mail client..
>>>
>>> Sampsa
>
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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On 2015-09-06 16:29, Mark Matlock wrote:
Samosa,
Johnny is right that RSX is typically customized for a particular set of hardware but
with Simh and DU disk drives it is pretty easy to set up a fairly generic system that will
run under Simh on PC Linux, BeagleBones, Raspberry PI or Windows.
Yes, if you just configure a system with lots of stuff in there, you can
pretty much just run with it.
I can send you a generic image that is configured
for a PDP a-11/93 (has TOY clock that saves some typing at boot) with a DU (4 units), DL
(you will want this RL02) to load updates of Johnny's BQTCP/IP), an MS, MU, and DY (to
access floppy images). I usually use a RD54 image (~154MB) as a nice size for RSX. I am
travelling today and tomorrow, but if you have an anonymous FTP somewhere I can upload a
RSX11M+ V4.6 (with DECnet, F77, BP2 V2.5, DTR, APL, etc) .DSK file.
Mark. 11/93 is indeed a very good choice. Have all the hardware features
you might want, and with Qbus you also do not have a resource bottleneck
with Unibus map registers. Not that it actually matters much these days
with the speed of things, but anyway.
One MSCP controller with four or more disks is also good. You do not
need MS, DL or DY however. If you have RL images, or floppy images, you
can just download them directly into RSX, and use the VF: driver to
access them all.
For tapes, you can either deal with images and the MU driver, or else
either download directly between RSX systems, or else using some
trickery when downloading .TAP files from other systems, and then access
these too using the VF: device driver.
I would never go as low as an RD54 for my actual disks, though. Disks
are cheap.
On MAGICA, which is a real PDP-11/70, I have RA73 disks now (2G each).
For my home 11/93, I have some RZ disk. (4G and 8G disks.)
For my emulated systems, I usually go for 8G disks if I can.
I don't have Mail-11 on it but now I want to
figure out how.
It is a rather nice mail system. But it only speaks DECnet. I am so
tempted to start working on something that will speak both DECnet and
TCP/IP... But I'm short on time, as always. Anyone else interested? :-)
Johnny
Mark
> On Sep 6, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>
> BTW, this is the RSX mail client I was talking about:
>
> http://sampsa.com/decmail11.png
>
> I'm sure there must be SOMEONE with a fairly easy to use RSX image for SIMH on
this list? :)
>
>
>
>> On 6 Sep 2015, at 14:22, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-09-06 15:18, Sampsa Laine wrote:
>>> Bummer.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a nice turnkey image of RSX (with DECNET) that I could run
this on?
>>
>> RSX and "turnkey" do not really mesh that well in a sentence... :-)
>> DEC did try it. It was called MicroRSX. I do not want to play with that. But it
might work for you if you actually prefer something you can't customize... :-)
>> Afraid I don't have it, though.
>>
>>> I've been itching to run a PDP-11 OS for a while now but am a total
n00b..
>>
>> You should. PDP-11s are fun. However, it all depends on your definition of fun.
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>>>
>>> Sampsa
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6 Sep 2015, at 13:29, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-09-06 04:53, Mark Matlock wrote:
>>>>> Samosa,
>>>>> The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI
task that does most of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran
program. Then the actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It
communicates with the MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most
complicated program as it accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages
for retrieval by the ...MAI task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task
written in Fortran whose sole job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they
just got mail. This system was written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes,
but I remember seeing the files also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better
place to get the files as I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I
don't know that you would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest.
With out it there are probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be
modified to work with VMS time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I
don't know about the Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I
recall, but this is the area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX
stores in the email files different than VMS a.
>>>>>
>>>>> Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, as I suspect Sampsa is talking about the mail program on MIM, which
is not the thing you are talking about, Mark.
>>>>
>>>> DEC actually made a product called MAIL-11, which is what I have
installed.
>>>>
>>>> It's mostly written in BASIC+2, and have a slightly different set of
tasks with responsibilities. And it has way more features than the DECUS MAIL-11.
>>>>
>>>> But I do not think it is possible to run under VMS. However, it might be
that it is possible to use just the client, since I believe it can talk to a mail server
on another machine. But I have never looked how that work in DECnet.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at
mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has
the RSX compatibility module installed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much
nicer to use than the standard VMS mail client..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sampsa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>>>> || on a psychedelic trip
>>>> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
>>>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B.
Idol
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>>
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5:21 p.m.
New subject: Running the RSX-11 MAIL-11 client on VAX VMS with the RSX emulation installed
Johnny,
Good point on the VF: driver, I've started to use it more and more but before that
I happened to Include those things in the SYSGEN. You mentioned the Baseline RSX11M+ V4.6
.DSK image on bitsavers and it is the best place to start, however the image is short on
file headers and needs to be BRUed to a new disk to expand the headers.
I agree with your comments on disk space below, but I use the RD54 sized images as a
minimum that is easily moved around between the various BeagleBone, PI, OSX and other
computers. Then the large disk that I typically choose is the RA92 at -1.5 GB which can
also be moved between systems. You need that kind of space to play with DECUS Sig tapes
and disks.
In the future, if you do start working on a dual DECNet - TCP/IP mail system for RSX, I
would love to act as a beta tester.
Mark
On Sep 6, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt
at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2015-09-06 16:29, Mark Matlock wrote:
Samosa,
Johnny is right that RSX is typically customized for a particular set of hardware but
with Simh and DU disk drives it is pretty easy to set up a fairly generic system that will
run under Simh on PC Linux, BeagleBones, Raspberry PI or Windows.
Yes, if you just configure a system with lots of stuff in there, you can pretty much just
run with it.
I can send you a generic image that is
configured for a PDP a-11/93 (has TOY clock that saves some typing at boot) with a DU (4
units), DL (you will want this RL02) to load updates of Johnny's BQTCP/IP), an MS, MU,
and DY (to access floppy images). I usually use a RD54 image (~154MB) as a nice size for
RSX. I am travelling today and tomorrow, but if you have an anonymous FTP somewhere I can
upload a RSX11M+ V4.6 (with DECnet, F77, BP2 V2.5, DTR, APL, etc) .DSK file.
Mark. 11/93 is indeed a very good choice. Have all the hardware features you might want,
and with Qbus you also do not have a resource bottleneck with Unibus map registers. Not
that it actually matters much these days with the speed of things, but anyway.
One MSCP controller with four or more disks is also good. You do not need MS, DL or DY
however. If you have RL images, or floppy images, you can just download them directly into
RSX, and use the VF: driver to access them all.
For tapes, you can either deal with images and the MU driver, or else either download
directly between RSX systems, or else using some trickery when downloading .TAP files from
other systems, and then access these too using the VF: device driver.
I would never go as low as an RD54 for my actual disks, though. Disks are cheap.
On MAGICA, which is a real PDP-11/70, I have RA73 disks now (2G each). For my home 11/93,
I have some RZ disk. (4G and 8G disks.)
For my emulated systems, I usually go for 8G disks if I can.
I don't have Mail-11 on it but now I want
to figure out how.
It is a rather nice mail system. But it only speaks DECnet. I am so tempted to start
working on something that will speak both DECnet and TCP/IP... But I'm short on time,
as always. Anyone else interested? :-)
Johnny
Mark
> On Sep 6, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
>
> BTW, this is the RSX mail client I was talking about:
>
> http://sampsa.com/decmail11.png
>
> I'm sure there must be SOMEONE with a fairly easy to use RSX image for SIMH on
this list? :)
>
>
>
>>> On 6 Sep 2015, at 14:22, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2015-09-06 15:18, Sampsa Laine wrote:
>>> Bummer.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a nice turnkey image of RSX (with DECNET) that I could run
this on?
>>
>> RSX and "turnkey" do not really mesh that well in a sentence... :-)
>> DEC did try it. It was called MicroRSX. I do not want to play with that. But it
might work for you if you actually prefer something you can't customize... :-)
>> Afraid I don't have it, though.
>>
>>> I've been itching to run a PDP-11 OS for a while now but am a total
n00b..
>>
>> You should. PDP-11s are fun. However, it all depends on your definition of fun.
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>>>
>>> Sampsa
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On 6 Sep 2015, at 13:29, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-09-06 04:53, Mark Matlock wrote:
>>>>> Samosa,
>>>>> The RSX-11 Mail system consists of 4 tasks as I recall. The ...MAI
task that does most of the interaction with the user is a pretty straight forward Fortran
program. Then the actually task that sends mail ...SEN is also a Fortran program. It
communicates with the MAL$$$ task which is written in BasicPlus2 and this is the most
complicated program as it accepts the various DECnet connections and stores the messages
for retrieval by the ...MAI task. Lastly, the MAL$$$ program connects to a MAL... task
written in Fortran whose sole job is to notify the user if they are logged in that they
just got mail. This system was written by DEC and put on one of the early RSX SIG tapes,
but I remember seeing the files also in a folder on ftp.update.uu.se which may be a better
place to get the files as I'm sure Johnny has updated and improved them.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as running on VMS, I would think it could be done. I
don't know that you would have to run RSX compatibility, but that might be easiest.
With out it there are probably a number of date/time routines that would need to be
modified to work with VMS time formats. The Fortran is probably quite easy to port but I
don't know about the Basic part. That said the RSX task sends email to VMS fine as I
recall, but this is the area I would think would be most difficult. Also, the way RSX
stores in the email files different than VMS a.
>>>>>
>>>>> Johnny could probably provide a much better overview however.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, as I suspect Sampsa is talking about the mail program on MIM, which
is not the thing you are talking about, Mark.
>>>>
>>>> DEC actually made a product called MAIL-11, which is what I have
installed.
>>>>
>>>> It's mostly written in BASIC+2, and have a slightly different set of
tasks with responsibilities. And it has way more features than the DECUS MAIL-11.
>>>>
>>>> But I do not think it is possible to run under VMS. However, it might be
that it is possible to use just the client, since I believe it can talk to a mail server
on another machine. But I have never looked how that work in DECnet.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at
mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possibles to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has
the RSX compatibility module installed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much
nicer to use than the standard VMS mail client..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sampsa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>>>> || on a psychedelic trip
>>>> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
>>>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B.
Idol
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Hecnet-list mailing list
>>>> Hecnet-list at lists.sonic.net
>>>> https://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/hecnet-list
>>
>>
>> --
>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>> || on a psychedelic trip
>> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
9:44 p.m.
On 09/06/2015 10:40 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
It is a rather nice mail system. But it only speaks
DECnet. I am so
tempted to start working on something that will speak both DECnet and
TCP/IP... But I'm short on time, as always. Anyone else interested? :-)
Yes!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
10:51 p.m.
On 2015-09-06 21:44, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/06/2015 10:40 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Well, if you want to write on this, I can talk more with you offline. I
have some notes and some experiments, including some half-started code.
I pretty much figured out how the Mail-11 protocol works. I have TCP/IP,
and SMTP isn't that hard. But there is a lot of code to write to make it
all play together in a nice way...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
It is a rather nice mail system. But it only
speaks DECnet. I am so
tempted to start working on something that will speak both DECnet and
TCP/IP... But I'm short on time, as always. Anyone else interested? :-)
Yes!
2:20 p.m.
On 2015-09-06 00:13, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
Is it possible to run the RSX-11 MAIL client on a VAX that has the RSX compatibility
module installed?
Will it work alongside the normal VMS MAIL client?
I'm asking because frankly the mail client on MIM is much nicer to use than the
standard VMS mail client..
Doubt it. The problem is that MAIL-11 talks DECnet. I doubt you get
access to DECnet from the RSX environment under VMS. Also, you'll need
the mail daemon running to receive mails, but the RSX environment under
VMS is not a running, complete RSX system, but just the current running
program that you might be running.
Johnny
--
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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