10 Mar
2020
10 Mar
'20
5:14 p.m.
Has anybody done a map (an actual geographic map, not just a list) of
HECnet locations?
Bob
10 Mar
10 Mar
7:22 p.m.
Didn?t someone create this about 10 years ago? I remember someone had done a
significantly better job than my page.
http://www.avanthar.com:8080/nodes/
Zane
Sent from my iPod
On Mar 10, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Robert Armstrong <bob
at jfcl.com> wrote:
Has anybody done a map (an actual geographic map, not just a list) of HECnet
locations?
Bob
8:07 p.m.
On 2020-03-10 17:14, Robert Armstrong wrote:
? Has anybody done a map (an actual geographic map,
not just a list) of
HECnet locations?
There was an attempt several years ago, but I think it fizzled out.
It would be interesting. Even better if it could also draw lines between
points that have direct connections.
A slight problem is that the physical location of nodes are not always
known...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
8:30 p.m.
My page uses a data file that is over 10 years out of date. It even needs updates for my
area as SAVAGE is now an Alpha. It would be easy to add data to the file. Plotting it on
a map would take real effort. It would also be interesting to track when a node was last
seen online. Putting something together with a RDB backend would be fun.
Zane
Sent from my iPod
On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt
at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2020-03-10 17:14, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Has anybody done a map (an actual geographic map, not just a list) of HECnet locations?
There was an attempt several years ago, but I think it fizzled out.
It would be interesting. Even better if it could also draw lines between points that have
direct connections.
A slight problem is that the physical location of nodes are not always known...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol 
9:43 p.m.
On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt
at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2020-03-10 17:14, Robert Armstrong wrote:
The open source genealogy program Gramps has some similar requirements. It uses a package
"Graphviz" that has lots of charting options. The documentation for that
package shows a network map as one example.
The other thing Gramps does is interface to map services like OpenStreetMap, which
suggests ways to make a "geographic map".
paul
Has anybody done a map (an actual geographic
map, not just a list) of HECnet locations?
There was an attempt several years ago, but I think it fizzled out.
It would be interesting. Even better if it could also draw lines between points that have
direct connections.
A slight problem is that the physical location of nodes are not always known... 
10:49 p.m.
I tried to reply to this with an svg attachment, the result of me parsing out the results
from a series of NCP TELL xxxx SHOW KNOWN CIRC STAT and turning it into a graph.
It doesn't appear to have propagated. It sent ok.
Keith
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul
Koning
Sent: 10 March 2020 20:43
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Map of HECnet locations
On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt
at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2020-03-10 17:14, Robert Armstrong wrote:
The open source genealogy program Gramps has some similar requirements. It uses a package
"Graphviz" that has lots of charting options. The documentation for that
package shows a network map as one example.
The other thing Gramps does is interface to map services like OpenStreetMap, which
suggests ways to make a "geographic map".
paul
Has anybody done a map (an actual geographic
map, not just a list) of HECnet locations?
There was an attempt several years ago, but I think it fizzled out.
It would be interesting. Even better if it could also draw lines between points that have
direct connections.
A slight problem is that the physical location of nodes are not always known... 
11 Mar
11 Mar
2:04 a.m.
On 3/10/20 4:43 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
The open source genealogy program Gramps has some similar requirements. It uses a
package "Graphviz" that has lots of charting options. The documentation for
that package shows a network map as one example.
The other thing Gramps does is interface to map services like OpenStreetMap, which
suggests ways to make a "geographic map".
It might be easier to use a generalized GIS application like QGIS.
This immensely powerful (and free) software allows one to connect to GIS
servers, like WMS servers, which are the industry standard method for
publshing GIS data. Really the best way to do this (IMO) is to set up a
WMS server to serve the map data for HECnet. That way, anyone can
overlay it on any mapping system that speaks WMS, which is pretty much
all of them.
And it would be friggin' COOL.
Warning, if you've never heard of QGIS, and if you go grab it and
start farting around with it, you will fall down a very deep rabbit
hole. There are WMS servers everywhere, for every kind of global data
and map that you can imagine, and it's an incredible piece of software.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Has anybody done a map (an actual geographic map,
not just a list) of HECnet locations?
There was an attempt several years ago, but I think it fizzled out.
It would be interesting. Even better if it could also draw lines between points that have
direct connections.
A slight problem is that the physical location of nodes are not always known...
2:27 a.m.
On 2020-03-11 02:04, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 3/10/20 4:43 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
The open source genealogy program Gramps has some similar requirements. It uses a
package "Graphviz" that has lots of charting options. The documentation for
that package shows a network map as one example.
The other thing Gramps does is interface to map services like OpenStreetMap, which
suggests ways to make a "geographic map".
It might be easier to use a generalized GIS application like QGIS.
This immensely powerful (and free) software allows one to connect to GIS
servers, like WMS servers, which are the industry standard method for
publshing GIS data. Really the best way to do this (IMO) is to set up a
WMS server to serve the map data for HECnet. That way, anyone can
overlay it on any mapping system that speaks WMS, which is pretty much
all of them.
And it would be friggin' COOL.
Warning, if you've never heard of QGIS, and if you go grab it and
start farting around with it, you will fall down a very deep rabbit
hole. There are WMS servers everywhere, for every kind of global data
and map that you can imagine, and it's an incredible piece of software.
I'd be happy to work with someone to try and hook up the information in
my nodename database with something that can visualize it on a map. But
I have no clue about the map side of things right now...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Has anybody done a map (an actual geographic map,
not just a list) of HECnet locations?
There was an attempt several years ago, but I think it fizzled out.
It would be interesting. Even better if it could also draw lines between points that have
direct connections.
A slight problem is that the physical location of nodes are not always known...
2:46 a.m.
Try Google Maps. Here's a quickie one I made for A2RTR -
https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/documents/share/images/services/maps-2.png
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=1x3zVlMUrbNWXBDvChhYklyAVTOcZwg6n&usp=sharing_eil>
HECnet
Bob
3:15 a.m.
On 2020-03-11 02:46, Robert Armstrong wrote:
? Try Google Maps.? Here's a quickie one I made
for A2RTR -
https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/documents/share/images/services/maps-2.png
HECnet
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=1x3zVlMUrbNWXBDvChhYklyAVTOcZwg6n&usp=sharing_eil>
That's a good start. I wonder how hard it would be to generate that on a
regular basis? I have cities for a fair part of the nodes in HECnet. No
exact coordinates, though.
And then I don't have a current view of all links, but that could
possibly be somewhat extracted through NCP. But then, that would then
also required that you could makes lines or arches between two points...
And of course, I only have all of this under RSX. Looks like this is
using Google drive, which I think it could be a bit too complicated to
access from RSX. Someone with VMS who wants to give it a shot? :-)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
3:20 a.m.
There's an API for Google Maps, but don't ask me how it works.
You can allegedly do all kinds of things - draw lines, add text, change the colors of
the pins, add annotations, etc.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of
Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 7:15 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Map of HECnet locations
On 2020-03-11 02:46, Robert Armstrong wrote:
? Try Google Maps.? Here's a quickie one I made
for A2RTR -
https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/documents/share/images/services/maps-2.png
HECnet
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=1x3zVlMUrbNWXBDvChhYklyAVTOcZwg6n&usp=sharing_eil>
That's a good start. I wonder how hard it would be to generate that on a
regular basis? I have cities for a fair part of the nodes in HECnet. No
exact coordinates, though.
And then I don't have a current view of all links, but that could
possibly be somewhat extracted through NCP. But then, that would then
also required that you could makes lines or arches between two points...
And of course, I only have all of this under RSX. Looks like this is
using Google drive, which I think it could be a bit too complicated to
access from RSX. Someone with VMS who wants to give it a shot? :-)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
3:25 a.m.
Google Earth Studio is fascinating too. You apply for the beta for
educational/personal use, and they approve you for access within a
business day. It is an animation tool, a lot of it will be familiar to
users of Daz 3D for example.
On 3/10/20 10:20 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
There's an API for Google Maps, but don't
ask me how it works.
You can allegedly do all kinds of things - draw lines, add text, change the colors of
the pins, add annotations, etc.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of
Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 7:15 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Map of HECnet locations
On 2020-03-11 02:46, Robert Armstrong wrote:
--
Supratim Sanyal, W1XMT
39.19151 N, 77.23432 W
QCOCAL::SANYAL via HECnet
? Try Google Maps.? Here's a quickie one I
made for A2RTR -
https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/documents/share/images/services/maps-2.png
HECnet
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=1x3zVlMUrbNWXBDvChhYklyAVTOcZwg6n&usp=sharing_eil>
That's a good start. I wonder how hard it would be to generate that on a
regular basis? I have cities for a fair part of the nodes in HECnet. No
exact coordinates, though.
And then I don't have a current view of all links, but that could
possibly be somewhat extracted through NCP. But then, that would then
also required that you could makes lines or arches between two points...
And of course, I only have all of this under RSX. Looks like this is
using Google drive, which I think it could be a bit too complicated to
access from RSX. Someone with VMS who wants to give it a shot? :-)
Johnny
9:38 a.m.
I did the mapping for Wainwright's on the air, that works well:
http://www.wota.org.uk/mapping/index.html
Mark
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, 02:26 Supratim Sanyal, <supratim at riseup.net> wrote:
Google Earth Studio is fascinating too. You apply for
the beta for
educational/personal use, and they approve you for access within a business
day. It is an animation tool, a lot of it will be familiar to users of Daz
3D for example.
On 3/10/20 10:20 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
There's an API for Google Maps, but don't ask me how it works.
You can allegedly do all kinds of things - draw lines, add text, change the colors of
the pins, add annotations, etc.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet
at Update.UU.SE>] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 7:15 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Map of HECnet locations
On 2020-03-11 02:46, Robert Armstrong wrote:
? Try Google Maps.? Here's a quickie one I made for A2RTR -
https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/documents/share/images/services/maps-2.png
HECnet
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=1x3zVlMUrbNWXBDvChhYklyAVTOcZwg6n&usp=sharing_eil>
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=1x3zVlMUrbNWXBDvChhYklyAVTOcZwg6n&usp=sharing_eil>
That's a good start. I wonder how hard it would be to generate that on a
regular basis? I have cities for a fair part of the nodes in HECnet. No
exact coordinates, though.
And then I don't have a current view of all links, but that could
possibly be somewhat extracted through NCP. But then, that would then
also required that you could makes lines or arches between two points...
And of course, I only have all of this under RSX. Looks like this is
using Google drive, which I think it could be a bit too complicated to
access from RSX. Someone with VMS who wants to give it a shot? :-)
Johnny
--
Supratim Sanyal, W1XMT
39.19151 N, 77.23432 W
QCOCAL::SANYAL via HECnet
3:19 p.m.
On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:20 PM, Robert Armstrong <bob
at jfcl.com> wrote:
There's an API for Google Maps, but don't ask me how it works.
You can allegedly do all kinds of things - draw lines, add text, change the colors of
the pins, add annotations, etc.
I saw in the Gramps code that there are Python APIs for the various maps (Google,
OpenStreetMap, others). Haven't tried them. Would be entertaining to have a PyDECnet
helper app to make these maps. I'd first have to get the client session API
implemented for that, but that's on the list anyway.
paul
1748
days inactive
1749
days old
13 comments
8 participants
participants (8)
-
bob＠jfcl.com -
bqt＠softjar.se -
healyzh＠avanthar.com -
Keith.Halewood＠pitbulluk.org -
mark＠wickensonline.co.uk -
mcguire＠neurotica.com -
paulkoning＠comcast.net -
supratim＠riseup.net