26 Aug
2015
26 Aug
'15
12:45 a.m.
Hi all. Update have an 11/10, that was recently powered on again for the
first time in I don't know when. After some fiddling with the RX01
disks, we put an RL11 and an RL02 on it. Lots of space, I know. :-)
Also, we have RT-11 running on it. And for fun, we wanted to run the
original Tetris. But here is the catch - Tetris is using some
instructions that the 11/10 don't have. (I would guess EIS stuff.)
Do anyone know if there is some software emulation of these instructions
that can be added to RT-11 in order to be able to run such programs?
RT-11 V5.5 by the way, if anyone wants to know. And no, I am not sitting
by the machine, or trying to play with it personally. It's other people
at Update. But an 11/10 is cute.
And we did boot the RL02 on Magica (11/70) to check that there is
nothing wrong with the binary, and it runs fine on that large machine.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
26 Aug
26 Aug
1:56 a.m.
If Tetris is written in FORTRAN then re-link with the NHD (no hardware dependency) version
of the OTS.
-Steve
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 25, 2015, at 18:45, Johnny Billquist <bqt at
softjar.se> wrote:
Hi all. Update have an 11/10, that was recently powered on again for the first time in I
don't know when. After some fiddling with the RX01 disks, we put an RL11 and an RL02
on it. Lots of space, I know. :-)
Also, we have RT-11 running on it. And for fun, we wanted to run the original Tetris. But
here is the catch - Tetris is using some instructions that the 11/10 don't have. (I
would guess EIS stuff.)
Do anyone know if there is some software emulation of these instructions that can be
added to RT-11 in order to be able to run such programs?
RT-11 V5.5 by the way, if anyone wants to know. And no, I am not sitting by the machine,
or trying to play with it personally. It's other people at Update. But an 11/10 is
cute.
And we did boot the RL02 on Magica (11/70) to check that there is nothing wrong with the
binary, and it runs fine on that large machine.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
5:07 a.m.
Very nice! It looks like Steve's got you covered on the FORTRAN OTS
issue.
I recently got my 11/05 running too (same machine, as you know), also
RT-11 but v5.3. It's got an RK05 and an RX01. It's a really fun
system. It is my oldest PDP-11.
-Dave
On 08/25/2015 06:45 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Hi all. Update have an 11/10, that was recently
powered on again for the
first time in I don't know when. After some fiddling with the RX01
disks, we put an RL11 and an RL02 on it. Lots of space, I know. :-)
Also, we have RT-11 running on it. And for fun, we wanted to run the
original Tetris. But here is the catch - Tetris is using some
instructions that the 11/10 don't have. (I would guess EIS stuff.)
Do anyone know if there is some software emulation of these instructions
that can be added to RT-11 in order to be able to run such programs?
RT-11 V5.5 by the way, if anyone wants to know. And no, I am not sitting
by the machine, or trying to play with it personally. It's other people
at Update. But an 11/10 is cute.
And we did boot the RL02 on Magica (11/70) to check that there is
nothing wrong with the binary, and it runs fine on that large machine.
Johnny
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
5:31 a.m.
On 2015-08-26 05:07, Dave McGuire wrote:
Very nice! It looks like Steve's got you covered on the FORTRAN OTS
issue.
Unfortunately I don't know if it is written in Fortran, and we certainly
do not have source or object files. Only a binary.
I recently got my 11/05 running too (same machine,
as you know), also
RT-11 but v5.3. It's got an RK05 and an RX01. It's a really fun
system. It is my oldest PDP-11.
It's neat.
Johnny
-Dave
On 08/25/2015 06:45 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hi all. Update have an 11/10, that was recently
powered on again for the
first time in I don't know when. After some fiddling with the RX01
disks, we put an RL11 and an RL02 on it. Lots of space, I know. :-)
Also, we have RT-11 running on it. And for fun, we wanted to run the
original Tetris. But here is the catch - Tetris is using some
instructions that the 11/10 don't have. (I would guess EIS stuff.)
Do anyone know if there is some software emulation of these instructions
that can be added to RT-11 in order to be able to run such programs?
RT-11 V5.5 by the way, if anyone wants to know. And no, I am not sitting
by the machine, or trying to play with it personally. It's other people
at Update. But an 11/10 is cute.
And we did boot the RL02 on Magica (11/70) to check that there is
nothing wrong with the binary, and it runs fine on that large machine.
Johnny
5:37 a.m.
On 08/26/2015 09:31 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-08-26 05:07, Dave McGuire wrote:
I have original tetris game for RT-11 which runs well without EIS.
Also I have EIS emulator driver for RT-11.
Please wait about 20-30 minutes (my web server is being upgraded) and I'll tell you
where to get them :)
Very nice! It looks like Steve's got you covered on the FORTRAN OTS
issue.
Unfortunately I don't know if it is written in Fortran, and we certainly do not have
source or object files. Only a binary.
7:43 a.m.
I put an archive here: http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/files/rt11test/tetris-em.zip
It contains TETRIS which runs at least at 11/03-compatible CPU withoud EIS, and EIS
emulator driver for RT-11 w/o device timeout
support (I can ask for driver sources later).
Also you can get patched version of TETRIS which runs under RTEM-11 from
CTAKAH/GUEST::TETRIS.SAV
On 08/26/2015 09:37 AM, Oleg Safiullin wrote:
On 08/26/2015 09:31 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-08-26 05:07, Dave McGuire wrote:
I have original tetris game for RT-11 which runs well without EIS.
Also I have EIS emulator driver for RT-11.
Please wait about 20-30 minutes (my web server is being upgraded) and I'll tell you
where to get them :)
Very nice! It looks like Steve's got you covered on the FORTRAN OTS
issue.
Unfortunately I don't know if it is written in Fortran, and we certainly do not have
source or object files. Only a binary. 
7:51 a.m.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:43:38AM +0600, Oleg Safiullin wrote:
I put an archive here:
http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/files/rt11test/tetris-em.zip It contains
TETRIS which runs at least at 11/03-compatible CPU withoud EIS, and
EIS emulator driver for RT-11 w/o device timeout support (I can ask
for driver sources later).
Also you can get patched version of TETRIS which runs under RTEM-11
from CTAKAH/GUEST::TETRIS.SAV
Hi Oleg
This is the very TETRIS.SAV that Johnny (and bjarni and vol) are running
on the 11/10 and the same one that I successfully ran on my 11/73 with
RT-11 v5.3 (I think it was).
But I suffer memory loss here, what is that your patch does? I recall
that the terminal _input_ was fixed to work with VT52 mode terminals.
Anything else?
What are the memory requirements for running TETRIS.SAV?
Regards,
Pontus
8:06 a.m.
But I suffer memory loss here, what is that your patch
does? I recall
I need more info to look what's happening at 11/10 :)
My patch just disables instructions to test if terminal outpur interrupts are disabled (no
pending output in RT-11). I don't know
why tetris does this (it uses RT-11 standard tty i/o directives then).
What are the memory requirements for running
TETRIS.SAV?
TETRIS uses addresses 1000-32416, no MMU required :)
8:36 a.m.
Is that in octal?
sure
This 11/10 only has 16kW of memory.
16kW is enough to run tetris :)
--
.ME
Address Module Words
------- ------ -----
160000 IOPAGE 4096.
100000 MEMTOP 12288.
077436 HD 113.
060144 RMON 3933.
053626 SL 1127.
001000 ..BG.. 10955.
.RU TETRIS
??? ???????? (0-9) -
9:44 a.m.
On 2015-08-26 07:43, Oleg Safiullin wrote:
I put an archive here:
http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/files/rt11test/tetris-em.zip
It contains TETRIS which runs at least at 11/03-compatible CPU withoud
EIS, and EIS emulator driver for RT-11 w/o device timeout support (I can
ask for driver sources later).
Also you can get patched version of TETRIS which runs under RTEM-11 from
CTAKAH/GUEST::TETRIS.SAV
That's the one we copied. So then then question becomes what is it
failing on? It gets an illegal instruction trap.
The 11/10 have even less instructions than an 11/03, I think. But I know
too little of RT-11 to really know how to debug this.
Johnny
On 08/26/2015 09:37 AM, Oleg Safiullin wrote:
>
>
> On 08/26/2015 09:31 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2015-08-26 05:07, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>>
>>> Very nice! It looks like Steve's got you covered on the FORTRAN OTS
>>> issue.
>>
>> Unfortunately I don't know if it is written in Fortran, and we
>> certainly do not have source or object files. Only a binary.
>
> I have original tetris game for RT-11 which runs well without EIS.
> Also I have EIS emulator driver for RT-11.
> Please wait about 20-30 minutes (my web server is being upgraded) and
> I'll tell you where to get them :)
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
10:20 a.m.
That's the one we copied. So then then question
becomes what is it failing on? It gets an illegal instruction trap.
The 11/10 have even less instructions than an 11/03, I think. But I know too little of
RT-11 to really know how to debug this.
Please send me content of memory block where program traps. Something like that:
--
?MON-F-Trap to 4 001012
..E 1000-1040
012700 123456 005727 000241 000000 000240 000404 040004
000000 000000 001032 000167 000422 045640 000020 000000
000001
.
--
Or you can use DBG-11 to debug the program:
.REN SDH.SYS SD.SYS
.SET SD SYSGEN
.SET SD REG
.INS SD
.LO SD
DBG Y01.16 - RT-11 ( SOFT PRO SD: GRH )
......
??????R0???????????R1???????????R2???????????R3???????????R4???????????R5??????
? 001000? 005567? 010000? 047000? 132000? 135744?
? 000,002? 167,013? 000,020? 000,116? 000,264? 344,273?
?"^@^B % L2?"w^K %A3O?"^@^P %BVP?"^@N %LSH?"^@4 %.2
?"d; %0BT?
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?PC = 010002?SP = 001000?(SP) =000000?2(SP)=123456?4(SP)=005727?6(SP)=000241?
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
T4:10002
DBG>
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