21 Jan
2024
21 Jan
'24
1:16 p.m.
Hi,
Just thought I'd mention that I managed to contact someone who was able to package up
and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime for VAX/VMS. It works very well
under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile something I keep
thinking "at last!"
So happy.
Keith
21 Jan
21 Jan
1:23 p.m.
Keith! This was the first language I was taught in college. I’d love to revisit this.
Is it ok for me to access?
Groet,
Wilm
(Verstuurd vanaf mijn telefoon, dus wat korter dan gewoonlijk.)
(Sent from my phone, so a bit more compact than usual)
Op 21 jan 2024 om 13:16 heeft Keith Halewood
<Keith.Halewood(a)pitbulluk.org> het volgende geschreven:
Hi,
Just thought I’d mention that I managed to contact someone who was able to package up and
send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime for VAX/VMS. It works very well
under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile something I keep
thinking “at last!”
So happy.
Keith
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5:44 p.m.
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
From: Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
Subject: [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I'd mention that I managed to contact someone who was able to
package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime for
VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile something
I keep thinking "at last!"
So happy.
Keith
8:07 p.m.
Hi,
There's a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your target directory.
There's a README.TXT file there. I believe there's a dependency on Fortran (6.6)
mainly because it apparently slips an update/upgrade of the maths library without which
the compiler/runtime has issues. The 'startup' command procedure (to be run as
part of sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important - a number of logical names are
defined, though the image installation as known/shareable is optional.
I'll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there wasn't one.
Keith
From: Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
Sent: 21 January 2024 16:44
To: 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list' <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
From: Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
Subject: [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I'd mention that I managed to contact someone who was able to package up
and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime for VAX/VMS. It works very well
under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile something I keep
thinking "at last!"
So happy.
Keith
10:41 p.m.
Works great - thank you!
Bob
From: Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
To: bob(a)jfcl.com; The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There's a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your target
directory. There's a README.TXT file there. I believe there's a dependency
on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an update/upgrade of the
maths library without which the compiler/runtime has issues. The 'startup'
command procedure (to be run as part of sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is
very important - a number of logical names are defined, though the image
installation as known/shareable is optional.
I'll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there wasn't
one.
Keith
From: Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
Sent: 21 January 2024 16:44
To: 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list' <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
From: Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
Subject: [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I'd mention that I managed to contact someone who was able to
package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime for
VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile something
I keep thinking "at last!"
So happy.
Keith
22 Jan
22 Jan
1:42 a.m.
missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting connects :(
On 1/21/2024 4:41 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Works great – thank you!
Bob
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
*To:* bob(a)jfcl.com; The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There’s a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your target
directory. There’s a README.TXT file there. I believe there’s a
dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
update/upgrade of the maths library without which the compiler/runtime
has issues. The ‘startup’ command procedure (to be run as part of
sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important – a number of logical
names are defined, though the image installation as known/shareable is
optional.
I’ll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there wasn’t
one.
Keith
*From:* Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
*Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
*To:* 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list' <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I’d mention that I managed to contact someone who was able
to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime
for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking “at last!”
So happy.
Keith
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2:21 a.m.
Try SEAHAG::ALGOL68RS.SAV
Chuck
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 7:43 PM Supratim Sanyal <supratim(a)riseup.net> wrote:
missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting
connects :(
On 1/21/2024 4:41 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Works great – thank you!
Bob
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
*To:* bob(a)jfcl.com; The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There’s a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your target
directory. There’s a README.TXT file there. I believe there’s a
dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
update/upgrade of the maths library without which the compiler/runtime
has issues. The ‘startup’ command procedure (to be run as part of
sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important – a number of logical
names are defined, though the image installation as known/shareable is
optional.
I’ll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there wasn’t
one.
Keith
*From:* Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
*Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
*To:* 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list' <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I’d mention that I managed to contact someone who was able
to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime
for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking “at last!”
So happy.
Keith
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3:23 a.m.
I’ve put it on LEGATO too
LEGATO::[.KITS]ALGOL68.BCK
(Note the change of extension!).
Bob
From: Charles Guldenschuh [mailto:cguldenschuh@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 5:22 PM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Try SEAHAG::ALGOL68RS.SAV
Chuck
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 7:43 PM Supratim Sanyal <supratim(a)riseup.net> wrote:
missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting connects :(
On 1/21/2024 4:41 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Works great – thank you!
Bob
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
*To:* bob(a)jfcl.com; The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There’s a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your target
directory. There’s a README.TXT file there. I believe there’s a
dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
update/upgrade of the maths library without which the compiler/runtime
has issues. The ‘startup’ command procedure (to be run as part of
sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important – a number of logical
names are defined, though the image installation as known/shareable is
optional.
I’ll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there wasn’t
one.
Keith
*From:* Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
*Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
*To:* 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list' <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I’d mention that I managed to contact someone who was able
to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime
for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking “at last!”
So happy.
Keith
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2:22 a.m.
Yes, I have the same problem. DUNE is no longer accepting connects while I was
downloading files from DUNE.
I checked the contents of Algol 68RS, but it does not have source codes. It is an
open-source compiler. I found Algol 68 RS on Sourceforge.net.
Also, I now found VAX lisp on DUNE that I was looking for it in long time.
Tim
________________________________
From: Supratim Sanyal <supratim(a)riseup.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 7:42 PM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting connects :(
On 1/21/2024 4:41 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Works great – thank you!
Bob
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
*To:* bob(a)jfcl.com; The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There’s a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your target
directory. There’s a README.TXT file there. I believe there’s a
dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
update/upgrade of the maths library without which the compiler/runtime
has issues. The ‘startup’ command procedure (to be run as part of
sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important – a number of logical
names are defined, though the image installation as known/shareable is
optional.
I’ll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there wasn’t
one.
Keith
*From:* Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
*Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
*To:* 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list' <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I’d mention that I managed to contact someone who was able
to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime
for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking “at last!”
So happy.
Keith
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10:19 a.m.
The compiler in this saveset is NOT the open source compiler!
The open-source version on github originally part of ELLA is a cut-down compiler (it lacks
FORMATs and a few other things) and generates C code.
The compiler I have acquired is one of the original Algol 68 RS compilers - this one
generates VAX code directly.
From: Timothy Stark [mailto:fsword007@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 January 2024 01:23
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Yes, I have the same problem. DUNE is no longer accepting connects while I was
downloading files from DUNE.
I checked the contents of Algol 68RS, but it does not have source codes. It is an
open-source compiler. I found Algol 68 RS on Sourceforge.net.
Also, I now found VAX lisp on DUNE that I was looking for it in long time.
Tim
________________________________
From: Supratim Sanyal <supratim@riseup.net<mailto:supratim@riseup.net>>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 7:42 PM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
<hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting connects :(
On 1/21/2024 4:41 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Works great - thank you!
Bob
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
*To:* bob@jfcl.com<mailto:bob@jfcl.com>; The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There's a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your target
directory. There's a README.TXT file there. I believe there's a
dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
update/upgrade of the maths library without which the compiler/runtime
has issues. The 'startup' command procedure (to be run as part of
sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important - a number of logical
names are defined, though the image installation as known/shareable is
optional.
I'll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there wasn't
one.
Keith
*From:* Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
*Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
*To:* 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list'
<hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I'd mention that I managed to contact someone who was able
to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime
for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking "at last!"
So happy.
Keith
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12:50 p.m.
Thanks everyone, it is now also mirrored at
qcocal::[.software-downloads.openvms-vax]ALGOL68RS.SAV
On 1/22/2024 04:19, Keith Halewood wrote:
The compiler in this saveset is NOT the open source
compiler!
The open-source version on github originally part of ELLA is a cut-down
compiler (it lacks FORMATs and a few other things) and generates C code.
The compiler I have acquired is one of the original Algol 68 RS
compilers – this one generates VAX code directly.
*From:*Timothy Stark [mailto:fsword007@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 22 January 2024 01:23
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Yes, I have the same problem. DUNE is no longer accepting connects
while I was downloading files from DUNE.
I checked the contents of Algol 68RS, but it does not have source
codes. It is an open-source compiler. I found Algol 68 RS on
Sourceforge.net.
Also, I now found VAX lisp on DUNE that I was looking for it in long time.
Tim
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*Supratim Sanyal <supratim(a)riseup.net <mailto:supratim@riseup.net>>
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 7:42 PM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se
<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting connects :(
On 1/21/2024 4:41 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Works great – thank you!
Bob
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
*To:* bob(a)jfcl.com <mailto:bob@jfcl.com>; The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There’s a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your target
directory. There’s a README.TXT file there. I believe there’s a
dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
update/upgrade of the maths library without which the compiler/runtime
has issues. The ‘startup’ command procedure (to be run as part of
sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important – a number of logical
names are defined, though the image installation as known/shareable is
optional.
I’ll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there wasn’t
one.
Keith
*From:* Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com <mailto:bob@jfcl.com>]
*Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
*To:* 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list' <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se
<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org <mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I’d mention that I managed to contact someone who was able
to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime
for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking “at last!”
So happy.
Keith
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1:17 p.m.
At one point last night, there were 4 DECnet server processes running on DUNE. One of them
seemed to have FAL issues whereas the other 3 were fine, judging by the logs.
I suppose if your request was being handled by the bad one, you were unlucky.
And to repeat myself, I cannot overstress this point:
The Algol 68 RS compiler in the saveset on dune IS NOT the public domain version you see
as part of ELLA or algol68toc. Even a quick comparison of some front-end translation
routines between the two shows the
expected omissions and some surprising ones too on the public domain version. The public
domain translator will not compile the fully featured compiler source properly. The
production compiler in the save-set will!
I hope to use this to create a compiler backend that will translate the 'streams'
intermediate language the RS compiler frontend generates into LLVM and therefore produce
versions for IA64 and X86. I'd love to be able to do the equivalent with GEM for AXP
but it seems unlikely I'd get access to a GEM to AXP translator.
Keith
-----Original Message-----
From: Supratim Sanyal [mailto:supratim@riseup.net]
Sent: 22 January 2024 11:50
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Thanks everyone, it is now also mirrored at
qcocal::[.software-downloads.openvms-vax]ALGOL68RS.SAV
On 1/22/2024 04:19, Keith Halewood wrote:
The compiler in this saveset is NOT the open source
compiler!
The open-source version on github originally part of ELLA is a
cut-down compiler (it lacks FORMATs and a few other things) and generates C code.
The compiler I have acquired is one of the original Algol 68 RS
compilers – this one generates VAX code directly.
*From:*Timothy Stark [mailto:fsword007@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 22 January 2024 01:23
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Yes, I have the same problem. DUNE is no longer accepting connects
while I was downloading files from DUNE.
I checked the contents of Algol 68RS, but it does not have source
codes. It is an open-source compiler. I found Algol 68 RS on
Sourceforge.net.
Also, I now found VAX lisp on DUNE that I was looking for it in long time.
Tim
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
*From:*Supratim Sanyal <supratim(a)riseup.net
<mailto:supratim@riseup.net>>
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 7:42 PM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se
<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting connects :(
On 1/21/2024 4:41 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
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Works great – thank you!
Bob
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
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*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There’s a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your
target directory. There’s a README.TXT file there. I believe there’s
a dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
update/upgrade of the maths library without which the
compiler/runtime has issues. The ‘startup’ command procedure (to be
run as part of
sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important – a number of
logical names are defined, though the image installation as
known/shareable is optional.
I’ll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there
wasn’t one.
Keith
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*Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
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*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>>]
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*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I’d mention that I managed to contact someone who was
able to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and
runtime for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking “at last!”
So happy.
Keith
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5:58 p.m.
Ok, I now got it. I now learned that there are two versions of Algol 68RS packages -
VAX/VMS package and open source (cut-down) package. I got both. All done.
Someone needs to expand the open-sourced Algol 68RS compiler to generate native codes for
x86 code, etc. That is on sourceforge.net but has old CVS repository. I have to rsync
CVS files for downloading because sourceforge.net no longer supports CVS - only SVN, GIT
and Mercurial at this time.
Tim
________________________________
From: Keith Halewood <Keith.Halewood(a)pitbulluk.org>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 7:17 AM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
At one point last night, there were 4 DECnet server processes running on DUNE. One of them
seemed to have FAL issues whereas the other 3 were fine, judging by the logs.
I suppose if your request was being handled by the bad one, you were unlucky.
And to repeat myself, I cannot overstress this point:
The Algol 68 RS compiler in the saveset on dune IS NOT the public domain version you see
as part of ELLA or algol68toc. Even a quick comparison of some front-end translation
routines between the two shows the
expected omissions and some surprising ones too on the public domain version. The public
domain translator will not compile the fully featured compiler source properly. The
production compiler in the save-set will!
I hope to use this to create a compiler backend that will translate the 'streams'
intermediate language the RS compiler frontend generates into LLVM and therefore produce
versions for IA64 and X86. I'd love to be able to do the equivalent with GEM for AXP
but it seems unlikely I'd get access to a GEM to AXP translator.
Keith
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From: Supratim Sanyal [mailto:supratim@riseup.net]
Sent: 22 January 2024 11:50
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Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Thanks everyone, it is now also mirrored at
qcocal::[.software-downloads.openvms-vax]ALGOL68RS.SAV
On 1/22/2024 04:19, Keith Halewood wrote:
The compiler in this saveset is NOT the open source
compiler!
The open-source version on github originally part of ELLA is a
cut-down compiler (it lacks FORMATs and a few other things) and generates C code.
The compiler I have acquired is one of the original Algol 68 RS
compilers – this one generates VAX code directly.
*From:*Timothy Stark [mailto:fsword007@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 22 January 2024 01:23
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Yes, I have the same problem. DUNE is no longer accepting connects
while I was downloading files from DUNE.
I checked the contents of Algol 68RS, but it does not have source
codes. It is an open-source compiler. I found Algol 68 RS on
Sourceforge.net.
Also, I now found VAX lisp on DUNE that I was looking for it in long time.
Tim
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missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting connects :(
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Works great – thank you!
Bob
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<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
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*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There’s a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your
target directory. There’s a README.TXT file there. I believe there’s
a dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
update/upgrade of the maths library without which the
compiler/runtime has issues. The ‘startup’ command procedure (to be
run as part of
sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important – a number of
logical names are defined, though the image installation as
known/shareable is optional.
I’ll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there
wasn’t one.
Keith
*From:* Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com <mailto:bob@jfcl.com>]
*Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
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*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
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*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I’d mention that I managed to contact someone who was
able to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and
runtime for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking “at last!”
So happy.
Keith
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6:08 p.m.
Here's some technical detail on the RS portable compiler
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA049572.pdf
As I said, I have the full source described above which was more or less useless to me
until I found the working VAX/VMS compiler.
The VAX/VMS compiler compiles itself which is fantastic.
I can work from there and write a streams language (the intermediate compiled form)
processor to generate LLVM. I might even finish this project :)
Keith
From: Timothy Stark [mailto:fsword007@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 January 2024 16:59
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Ok, I now got it. I now learned that there are two versions of Algol 68RS packages -
VAX/VMS package and open source (cut-down) package. I got both. All done.
Someone needs to expand the open-sourced Algol 68RS compiler to generate native codes for
x86 code, etc. That is on sourceforge.net but has old CVS repository. I have to rsync
CVS files for downloading because sourceforge.net no longer supports CVS - only SVN, GIT
and Mercurial at this time.
Tim
________________________________
From: Keith Halewood
<Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 7:17 AM
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<hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
At one point last night, there were 4 DECnet server processes running on DUNE. One of them
seemed to have FAL issues whereas the other 3 were fine, judging by the logs.
I suppose if your request was being handled by the bad one, you were unlucky.
And to repeat myself, I cannot overstress this point:
The Algol 68 RS compiler in the saveset on dune IS NOT the public domain version you see
as part of ELLA or algol68toc. Even a quick comparison of some front-end translation
routines between the two shows the
expected omissions and some surprising ones too on the public domain version. The public
domain translator will not compile the fully featured compiler source properly. The
production compiler in the save-set will!
I hope to use this to create a compiler backend that will translate the 'streams'
intermediate language the RS compiler frontend generates into LLVM and therefore produce
versions for IA64 and X86. I'd love to be able to do the equivalent with GEM for AXP
but it seems unlikely I'd get access to a GEM to AXP translator.
Keith
-----Original Message-----
From: Supratim Sanyal [mailto:supratim@riseup.net]
Sent: 22 January 2024 11:50
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
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Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Thanks everyone, it is now also mirrored at
qcocal::[.software-downloads.openvms-vax]ALGOL68RS.SAV
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The compiler in this saveset is NOT the open source
compiler!
The open-source version on github originally part of ELLA is a
cut-down compiler (it lacks FORMATs and a few other things) and generates C code.
The compiler I have acquired is one of the original Algol 68 RS
compilers - this one generates VAX code directly.
*From:*Timothy Stark [mailto:fsword007@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 22 January 2024 01:23
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
<hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Yes, I have the same problem. DUNE is no longer accepting connects
while I was downloading files from DUNE.
I checked the contents of Algol 68RS, but it does not have source
codes. It is an open-source compiler. I found Algol 68 RS on
Sourceforge.net.
Also, I now found VAX lisp on DUNE that I was looking for it in long time.
Tim
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*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting connects :(
On 1/21/2024 4:41 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
> Works great - thank you!
>
> Bob
>
> *From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
> <mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
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Hobbyist DECnet mailing
> list
> *Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
>
> Hi,
>
> There's a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your
> target directory. There's a README.TXT file there. I believe there's
> a dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
> update/upgrade of the maths library without which the
> compiler/runtime has issues. The 'startup' command procedure (to be
> run as part of
> sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important - a number of
> logical names are defined, though the image installation as
> known/shareable is optional.
>
> I'll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there
> wasn't one.
>
> Keith
>
> *From:* Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com <mailto:bob@jfcl.com>]
> *Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
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<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se%20%0b>>>
<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
*Subject:*
[HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I'd mention that I managed to contact someone who was
able to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and
runtime for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking "at last!"
So happy.
Keith
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23 Jan
6:34 a.m.
On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 at 20:17, Keith Halewood <Keith.Halewood(a)pitbulluk.org>
wrote:
At one point last night, there were 4 DECnet server
processes running on
DUNE. One of them seemed to have FAL issues whereas the other 3 were fine,
judging by the logs.
I suppose if your request was being handled by the bad one, you were
unlucky.
And to repeat myself, I cannot overstress this point:
The Algol 68 RS compiler in the saveset on dune IS NOT the public domain
version you see as part of ELLA or algol68toc. Even a quick comparison of
some front-end translation routines between the two shows the
expected omissions and some surprising ones too on the public domain
version. The public domain translator will not compile the fully featured
compiler source properly. The production compiler in the save-set will!
I hope to use this to create a compiler backend that will translate the
'streams' intermediate language the RS compiler frontend generates into
LLVM and therefore produce versions for IA64 and X86.
Unfortunately LLVM will only produce binaries for x86-64. The Itanium
support is long gone and was never anywhere near complete in the first
place.
I'd love to be able to do the equivalent with GEM
for AXP but it seems
unlikely I'd get access to a GEM to AXP translator.
That I definitely don't see ever happening :-( Nor the GEM/IA64 target.
There are not too many places outside DEC that got access to GEM.
Regards, Tim.
3:03 p.m.
On Jan 23, 2024, at 12:34 AM, Tim Sneddon
<tim(a)sneddon.id.au> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 at 20:17, Keith Halewood <Keith.Halewood(a)pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>> wrote:
At one point last night, there were 4 DECnet server processes running on DUNE. One of
them seemed to have FAL issues whereas the other 3 were fine, judging by the logs.
I suppose if your request was being handled by the bad one, you were unlucky.
And to repeat myself, I cannot overstress this point:
The Algol 68 RS compiler in the saveset on dune IS NOT the public domain version you see
as part of ELLA or algol68toc. Even a quick comparison of some front-end translation
routines between the two shows the
expected omissions and some surprising ones too on the public domain version. The public
domain translator will not compile the fully featured compiler source properly. The
production compiler in the save-set will!
I hope to use this to create a compiler backend that will translate the 'streams'
intermediate language the RS compiler frontend generates into LLVM and therefore produce
versions for IA64 and X86.
Unfortunately LLVM will only produce binaries for x86-64. The Itanium support is long
gone and was never anywhere near complete in the first place.
GCC, on the other hand, can do that as well as many other machine architectures. And GCC
has a lot of front ends.
paul
29 Jan
29 Jan
11:51 a.m.
Hi,
The saveset on DUNE:: has been updated to include the ALGOL68.HLP file which may be added
to SYS$HELP:HELPLIB.HLB
Keith
PS.
It's still shocking to me that the compiler allows:
FLEX [5] INT x := (1,2,3,4,5);
REF [] INT y = x[3:5];
x := (10,11);
....and it compiles but shouldn't (transient reference) and y still shows up as
(3,4,5)
From: Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
Sent: 22 January 2024 09:19
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
The compiler in this saveset is NOT the open source compiler!
The open-source version on github originally part of ELLA is a cut-down compiler (it lacks
FORMATs and a few other things) and generates C code.
The compiler I have acquired is one of the original Algol 68 RS compilers - this one
generates VAX code directly.
From: Timothy Stark [mailto:fsword007@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 January 2024 01:23
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
<hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Yes, I have the same problem. DUNE is no longer accepting connects while I was
downloading files from DUNE.
I checked the contents of Algol 68RS, but it does not have source codes. It is an
open-source compiler. I found Algol 68 RS on Sourceforge.net.
Also, I now found VAX lisp on DUNE that I was looking for it in long time.
Tim
________________________________
From: Supratim Sanyal <supratim@riseup.net<mailto:supratim@riseup.net>>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 7:42 PM
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Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting connects :(
On 1/21/2024 4:41 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Works great - thank you!
Bob
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
*To:* bob@jfcl.com<mailto:bob@jfcl.com>; The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There's a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your target
directory. There's a README.TXT file there. I believe there's a
dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
update/upgrade of the maths library without which the compiler/runtime
has issues. The 'startup' command procedure (to be run as part of
sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important - a number of logical
names are defined, though the image installation as known/shareable is
optional.
I'll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there wasn't
one.
Keith
*From:* Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
*Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
*To:* 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list'
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*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I'd mention that I managed to contact someone who was able
to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime
for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking "at last!"
So happy.
Keith
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4:57 p.m.
Nice job on the help file - thank you!
BTW, for those who aren't VMS wizzes and are wondering, the magic command
to add this to the system HELP command is
$library/insert/log/help sys$help:helplib algol68
Bob
From: Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 2:51 AM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
The saveset on DUNE:: has been updated to include the ALGOL68.HLP file which
may be added to SYS$HELP:HELPLIB.HLB
Keith
PS.
It's still shocking to me that the compiler allows:
FLEX [5] INT x := (1,2,3,4,5);
REF [] INT y = x[3:5];
x := (10,11);
..and it compiles but shouldn't (transient reference) and y still shows up
as (3,4,5)
From: Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
Sent: 22 January 2024 09:19
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
The compiler in this saveset is NOT the open source compiler!
The open-source version on github originally part of ELLA is a cut-down
compiler (it lacks FORMATs and a few other things) and generates C code.
The compiler I have acquired is one of the original Algol 68 RS compilers -
this one generates VAX code directly.
From: Timothy Stark [mailto:fsword007@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 January 2024 01:23
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Yes, I have the same problem. DUNE is no longer accepting connects while I
was downloading files from DUNE.
I checked the contents of Algol 68RS, but it does not have source codes.
It is an open-source compiler. I found Algol 68 RS on Sourceforge.net.
Also, I now found VAX lisp on DUNE that I was looking for it in long time.
Tim
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From: Supratim Sanyal <supratim(a)riseup.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 7:42 PM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting connects :(
On 1/21/2024 4:41 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Works great - thank you!
Bob
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
*To:* bob(a)jfcl.com; The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There's a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your target
directory. There's a README.TXT file there. I believe there's a
dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
update/upgrade of the maths library without which the compiler/runtime
has issues. The 'startup' command procedure (to be run as part of
sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important - a number of logical
names are defined, though the image installation as known/shareable is
optional.
I'll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there wasn't
one.
Keith
*From:* Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
*Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
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*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I'd mention that I managed to contact someone who was able
to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime
for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking "at last!"
So happy.
Keith
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5:08 p.m.
I did add that instruction to the readme.txt file. For those who don't wish to
supplement the system help, you can create a different hlb file and add a reference to it
to the system logical name hlp$library which is a search list. Multinet does something
similar.
K
From: Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
Sent: 29 January 2024 15:57
To: 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list' <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Nice job on the help file - thank you!
BTW, for those who aren't VMS wizzes and are wondering, the magic command to add
this to the system HELP command is
$library/insert/log/help sys$help:helplib algol68
Bob
From: Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 2:51 AM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
The saveset on DUNE:: has been updated to include the ALGOL68.HLP file which may be added
to SYS$HELP:HELPLIB.HLB
Keith
PS.
It's still shocking to me that the compiler allows:
FLEX [5] INT x := (1,2,3,4,5);
REF [] INT y = x[3:5];
x := (10,11);
....and it compiles but shouldn't (transient reference) and y still shows up as
(3,4,5)
From: Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
Sent: 22 January 2024 09:19
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<hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
The compiler in this saveset is NOT the open source compiler!
The open-source version on github originally part of ELLA is a cut-down compiler (it lacks
FORMATs and a few other things) and generates C code.
The compiler I have acquired is one of the original Algol 68 RS compilers - this one
generates VAX code directly.
From: Timothy Stark [mailto:fsword007@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 January 2024 01:23
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<hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Yes, I have the same problem. DUNE is no longer accepting connects while I was
downloading files from DUNE.
I checked the contents of Algol 68RS, but it does not have source codes. It is an
open-source compiler. I found Algol 68 RS on Sourceforge.net.
Also, I now found VAX lisp on DUNE that I was looking for it in long time.
Tim
________________________________
From: Supratim Sanyal <supratim@riseup.net<mailto:supratim@riseup.net>>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 7:42 PM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
<hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
missed the bus ... DUNE is no longer accepting connects :(
On 1/21/2024 4:41 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Works great - thank you!
Bob
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 11:08 AM
*To:* bob@jfcl.com<mailto:bob@jfcl.com>; The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
There's a saveset named DUNE::ALGOL68RS.SAV. Extract it into your target
directory. There's a README.TXT file there. I believe there's a
dependency on Fortran (6.6) mainly because it apparently slips an
update/upgrade of the maths library without which the compiler/runtime
has issues. The 'startup' command procedure (to be run as part of
sys$manager:systartup_vms.com) is very important - a number of logical
names are defined, though the image installation as known/shareable is
optional.
I'll generate a .HLP file at some point. It looks as though there wasn't
one.
Keith
*From:* Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
*Sent:* 21 January 2024 16:44
*To:* 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list'
<hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se<mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: Algol 68 RS at last
Keith,
Do you have savesets? Can you make them accessible via HECnet?
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
*From:*Keith Halewood [mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org
<mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:16 AM
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
*Subject:* [HECnet] Algol 68 RS at last
Hi,
Just thought I'd mention that I managed to contact someone who was able
to package up and send me a copy of the Algol 68 RS compiler and runtime
for VAX/VMS. It works very well under 7.3 and has everything,
including the idiosyncrasies that I remember. Every time I compile
something I keep thinking "at last!"
So happy.
Keith
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