[HECnet] VAX/Smalltalk-80

I got it ?working? but missing the uVMS Workstation support... that and not having a VT125. Remember the VMI files need to be 512 byte fixed records because they?re mapped in. > On 7 Apr 2020, at 22:15, Thomas DeBellis <tommytimesharing at gmail.com> wrote: > > ?Yes, that is pretty awesome! > > I don't suppose any flavor of Smalltalk ever made it over to the PDP-10? I think Object Oriented Lisp (Lisp with Flavors) may have made it. > > There was a graphics device called a Type 340 Precision Incremental CRT Display which was used on the PDP-6 and available on the KA-10. I saw one at MIT on MIT-AI (ITS). Since Tenex started out on a KA-10, it is available there, too. > > I never heard of it on the KI-10 but I believe it was possible. For internal memory on the 20, probably not. Tops-20 has certain small traces of the device. > > However, SIMH does in fact implement the Type 340; apparently, fully. You can a pop-up window with all the dots in the right places. I had started investigating porting some of that code to KLH10. One assumes with the SIMH KL, it could be made available. It's an interesting thought. > >> On 4/7/20 4:46 PM, mark at wickensonline.co.uk wrote: >> Wow! >> >> Thank you for this! Not only is Smalltalk interesting in itself, but this an excellent example of VAX Macro-32 too! >> I will attempt to assemble + compile the application. >> It looks like it is using VS II user interface libraries. That will be the first hurdle to compile it on a machine with the appropriate library and graphics - I'm thinking here maybe on of Matt's graphical versions of SIMH? >> >> Thanks, Mark. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> On Behalf Of John H. Reinhardt >> Sent: 07 April 2020 15:15 >> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >> Subject: Re: [HECnet] VAX/Smalltalk-80 >> >>> On 4/7/2020 7:45 AM, Nigel Williams wrote: >>> See below for a link to a g-drive file containing a ZIP archive of the DEC research group implementation of Smalltalk for the VAX. >>> >>> If someone has a VT125 to try it on I would appreciate seeing an image of the screen with Smalltalk running. >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> *From:* Nigel Williams <nw at retroComputingTasmania.com> >>>> *Date:* 7 April 2020 at 10:33:55 pm AEST >>>> *To:* John Ames <commodorejohn at gmail.com> >>>> *Subject:* *Re: VAX/Smalltalk-80?* >>>> >>>> ? >>>>>> On 2 Apr 2020, at 10:08 am, John Ames via cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote: >>>>> I know from the book "Smalltalk-80: Bits of History, Words of Advice" >>>> Thanks for the reminder about the VMS version, as you likely know >>>> their paper about VAX Smalltalk was in an early DEC Technical Journal >>>> too. >>>> >>>>> ...while the second ran under VMS and was actually developed within >>>>> DEC. This version - VAX/Smalltalk-80 - was headed up by Stoney >>>>> Ballard and Stephen Shirron; anybody know if there's a surviving >>>>> copy out there, if it was ever available outside DEC to begin with? >>>> I contacted Stephen and he kindly provided a ZIP >>>> >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NvO-ULropJ9xyT-WFqalXY79FBt6tdfB >>>> >>>> I had a quick look and it will need an early VMS I suspect, around >>>> version 4.x (might work on a later version). >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> nigel. >> Very cool. I have the three (?) popular books about smalltalk-80 from the 80's. I'll have to dig them out along with the DEC Tech Journal (If I have it). >> >> -- >> John H. Reinhardt >> >>