17 Sep
2018
17 Sep
'18
7:36 p.m.
All that said - if the op is actually using basic+2 then help is a builtin command in the
interactive environment. Furthermore the basic+2 builtin help uses an extra file for fast
lookups into the help file, so this additional file could also be the problem.
I'd need to check when I'm back home what the exact name of this file is, but
something like bp2hlp.rfa maybe?
Johnny
Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> skrev: (17 september 2018 16:38:37 CEST)
Command processing in RSTS depends on which runtime
system (more
precisely, "keyboard monitor") you're currently in.
If you're in DCL, standard DCL commands (like "copy") are understood.
"help" is another standard DCL command.
In most other runtime systems, like BASIC, there are a few built-in
commands that relate more to the purpose of that runtime system (like
"SAVE" or "OLD").
In addition, keyboard monitors normally understand any of the defined
"system commands" -- also called "CCL commands". Those are commands
defined via the create command/system DCL operation, and you can see
them with show command/system. For example:
$ show com/sys
BCK- = SY:[ 0,10 ]RMSBCK.TSK /LINE=0
BYE- = SY:[ 1,2 ]LOGOUT.TSK /LINE=0 /PRIVILEGE
CNV- = SY:[ 0,10 ]RMSCNV.TSK /LINE=0
DI-RECTORY = SY:[ 1,2 ]DIRECT.TSK /LINE=CCL /PRIVILEGE
...
In my system, "help" is not shown there, so while DCL knows it, other
RTS would not. If your system does respond to it, what is the command
definition?
As for [0,2]help.tsk, that's a strange protection code. Mine has <104>
and I can see no reason why that program should be privileged.
paul
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On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Keith Halewood
<Keith.Halewood at pitbulluk.org> wrote:
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the info. Other than help.hlp, there is only help.tsk in
[0,2] and it
has protection <232> (privileged, execute, world readonly,
group+owner read/write)
After a backup, I?ll do some further
experimentation.
Regards
Keith
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf
Of Paul Koning
Sent: 17 September 2018 14:01
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 BASIC-2-PLUS problem
On Sep 14, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Keith Halewood
<Keith.Halewood at pitbulluk.org>
wrote:
Hi,
I?ve been playing with RSTS/E for a short while, particularly BASIC
PLUS. I?ve
noted that, logged into account [1,2] I can issue HELP from
within BASIC and it?s all fine. From a non-privileged account I
created, HELP within BASIC gives me a ??Protection violation? but it
seems that all the .HLP files relevant to BASIC have the correct <40>
file protection. Am I missing something? Any help would be appreciated.
Regards,
Keith
"help" is most likely a CCL command -- a command defined, typically
at
startup, that is handled by executing a program.
You're right that the actual content in in the *.hlp files, and they
need to be
protected <40> for that to work. But in addition, the
program that handles the command has to be executable by non-privileged
users. So look in [0,*] or [1,2] for a help.* file (help.tsk,
help.bac, help.sav perhaps). It has to be executable (64 bit set in
the protection code). So a typical protection code would be 104.
>
> paul