31 Jul
2020
31 Jul
'20
10:05 a.m.
Rob (and the others)
Why do you use your ISPs "free" E-Mail accounts when there are good
"free" or "cheap" providers.
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/02/ofcom-warns-major-uk-broadban…
and if you don't like a @hotmail.com address why not add an @outlook.com, same
servers, better reputation...
... as for "spam detection" systems well they want the headline figure , so the
"spam detection rate" to be as high as possible.
Most customers are happy with this and blame the sender if things get blocked when in
reality it?s the suppliers over aggressive filters...
Dave
p.s. when talking to suppliers of such systems, I say what happens to important stuff
wrongly classed as spam?
Usually they used to tell me it was retained in a folder and could be checked by some
minion..
I say so, the Finance Director, who will be paying for this is a bit of a ladies man, gets
lewd e-mails from his lady friends who tend to use a different Hotmail account each time?
Will those get filtered and will the minions see those as it could be embarrassing.......
Pps. I now have a fixed IP address but it looks like no VAX licences soon.... Alpha has
arrived but I am not leaving it on full time even if it runs ... pic here
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ag4BJfE5B3onmM4SMrRd2aiAnoG2dw?e=UGwLNh
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> On
Behalf Of Rob Jarratt
Sent: 31 July 2020 07:48
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] Mailing list...
I use a very common ISP (Virgin Media) in the UK. I know that sometimes
emails to me get bounced because of DKIM or whatever (I know very little
about these things). I know that people in the know think that these spam
protection systems are no good, I don't know why because as I said I know
little about all this, although it seems to me that the *intent* behind those
systems is good. However, it seems to me that, for whatever reason, they
are used by a lot of the major ISPs, so might you end up excluding a lot of
people if you unsubscribe them for using an ISP that uses these measures?
I really wouldn't want to change my ISP just for one mailing list, because I also
get TV and phone all through the same provider, so it would be quite
disruptive. But I think it would be good if you were able to tell people that
you choose to unsubscribe. I have a Hotmail account I could use instead if I
really had to.
Regards
Rob
us/HT204137
more addresses in the near future...
>
> I am not really interested in moving the mailing list to some other
> host. Any suggestions from anyone on this topic?
>
> Johnny
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> On
Behalf
Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 30 July 2020 22:40
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] Mailing list...
Hi, all.
I have an issue with some mail servers/providers that some people use.
I'm open to some suggestions, but also want to point out something to
people who are subscribed.
Sometimes I start getting mails bouncing for some subscribers. I do
try to check why, and occasionally there have been something I could
do about it, but many times it's simply what I would call a broken
mail server for which there isn't much I can do. So occasionally I
unsubscribe people for which I'm just getting bounces all the time.
One such example is one server who claims that 130.238.19.25 don't
have reverse DNS. Which is clearly incorrect. It have had proper DNS
setup for at least 20 years. I have no idea how that mail server is
set up, but I can't do much about it.
Other times mails gets denied because of some blocking service who
thinks the hecnet mails are just spam, or the host (Update) is
untrustworthy, or have a bad reputation or what not. Usually not much
I can do about those either. If people (or companies) decide to make
use of such services, and such services give that kind of information,
it essentially just means that you'll not be getting the hecnet mails any
more.
There is only so much I'm willing to do to try and sort such things out.
I do consider such services and solutions to be fundamentally broken
to start with, but I will of course not say that people can't use them
if they want to. But chances are that you'll get dropped from the
HECnet mailing list sooner or later, unless you are using some
service/technology that actually do work (not sure if any such exists).
An example I got today (actual mailbox names redacted):
Switzerland?
<XXXXXX at xs4all.nl> (expanded from
<hecnet-list>): host
mx4.xs4all.nl[194.109.24.139] said: 550 5.7.1 Spam message rejected by
06ULCRRd021949 on mxdrop301.xs4all.net, reason=CH (in reply to
end of
DATA
command)
reason=CH ?
What does that mean. The mail is rejected because it came from (Yes, I do live in Switzerland, and yes, it was a
mail I sent to the list, but
really?
Is all mail from Switzerland suspect now?)
us/HT204137
<XXXXXX at me.com> (expanded from
<hecnet-list>): host
mx01.mail.icloud.com[17.57.152.9] said: 554 5.7.1 [CS01] Message
rejected
> due to local policy. Please visit https://support.apple.com/en- (in
reply to end of DATA command)
<XXXXXX at me.com> (expanded from <hecnet-list>): host
mx01.mail.icloud.com[17.57.152.9] said: 554 5.7.1 [CS01] Message
rejected
> due to local policy. Please visit https://support.apple.com/en- (in
reply to end of DATA command)
Rejected due to local policy?
Following the link don't really give an answer, but just various
recommendation.
Most of those recommendations are already done (and have been the
whole
time) by the HECnet list. SPF and DKIM we don't use. I had that setup
for a while on a mail server of my own, and came to realize that it
hurt more than it helped, so I removed it again. I doubt this will be
setup on Update any time soon, but either way, it's not there now, and
it's not even clear if that is the reason for the rejects, or some
other thing. There is also no way to even get in touch with Apple in
this case, to fix this. So there is a fair chance I'll have to unsubscribe a few