8 Sep
2025
8 Sep
'25
1:05 a.m.
The PI that I had Scooby on now has three machines I built on another pie, including
Scooby that I built on another pie and moved over all using the tap interfaces. In fact,
I’m going to keep testing them and will be giving you the info for the node database in a
day or so. They all can see other machines on hecnet now. If I attempt to build any
machine on that pie that Scooby is on, they will not communicate. I tried different
machines as well, including a vax 780 with the same results. If I build them on another
pi and move it, it will work.
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On Sunday, September 7, 2025, 6:58 PM, Brian Roth <abacos_98(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Right I forgot about the byte swap. The thing is with the tap interface is I put another
machine from the working Pi on that same tap number and it worked fine,
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On Sunday, September 7, 2025, 5:42 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
Like I said - AA-00-04-00-7D-1A is really the DECnet address 6.637.
Address AA-00-04-00-1A-7D is the correct MAC address for 31.282.
But anyway - I don't think the problem is there. simh should handle the
change to the correct one.
But tcpdump on eth0 might be a clue. Since we are not seeing any traffic
from 31.282, something is not getting through correctly going out from
that machine, while reception is working fine. I wonder if it's possible
to run tcpdump on the tap interface, and see if the outgoing packets can
be found anywhere...
Johnny
On 2025-09-07 20:52, Brian Roth wrote:
Oh, I know how to do the calculation. MAC
AA-00-04-00-7D-1A.
SCSSYSTEMID=32026 and I put that in one of the ini files that I tried,
and it didn’t matter. Yes, I have five tap devices on each raspberry PI.
They do all have different MAC’s I at least make sure of that. I did
the tcpdump on eth0 so it saw all of the bridged traffic.
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On Sunday, September 7, 2025, 11:21 AM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
Well, your doing the calculation wrong. Or rather, the calculation as
such is correct, but you have the byte order wrong. :)
But yes, when VMS boots, it is supposed to change the MAC address
anyway, and so it supposedly (hopefully) don't matter, as simh is
trying
to emulate the MAC address change correctly.
Are you attaching other simh instances also to tap? Same or different
number? What did you do the tcpdump against?
Johnny
On 2025-09-07 17:12, Brian Roth wrote:
Pi's with
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on
multiplenodes
on some
configured
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Yes, I used to do the calculations but I found it really
didn’tmatter.
I actually have one where the MAC address is
commented out and it
works
fine.
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On Sunday, September 7, 2025, 10:52 AM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
Uh?
AA-00-04-00-7D-1A equals a DECnet address of 6.637.That is
probably
not
going to help...
Any reason why you set that. And do you have equally crazy MAC
addresses
for your other simh instances (and it works on those?)?
Johnny
On 2025-09-07 16:14, Brian Roth wrote:
> When I first had trouble with it I assumedmaybe some bad
install
media
> so I decided to try again with a 5.5 iso image. It still
did not
work.
> It does indeed work on the other pi now and I used this
ini file
throughout.
>
> ; SIMH configuration for MicroVAX II *** SCOOBY ***
>
>
> ; ---- CPU ----
>
> SET CPU 16M
> SET CPU CONHALT
> SET CPU IDLE=VMS
> SET CPU AUTOBOOT
>
> ATT NVR ../data/NVR.BIN
>
> SET CONSOLE LOG=scooby.log
>
> ; ---- DISKS ----
>
> SET RQ0 ENABLE
> SET RQ0 RD54
> ATT RQ0 ../data/VMS055.R54
>
> SET RQ1 ENABLE
> SET RQ1 RX50
>
>
> SET RQ2 ENABLE
> SET RQ2 RX50
>
>
> SET RQ3 RD54
> ATT RQ3 ../data/vms552h4.iso
> ;SET DZ LINES=4
> ;ATT DZ 6666
>
> ; ---- TAPE ----
>
> ;SET TQ0 ENABLE
> ;ATT TQ0 ../data/AQ-FP13D-BN_MICROVMS_4.6_87.tap
>
> SET TQ1 DISABLE
> SET TQ2 DISABLE
> SET TQ3 DISABLE
>
> SET LPT DISABLE
> SET RL DISABLE
> SET TS DISABLE
>
> ; ---- Networking ----
>
> set xq mac=AA-00-04-00-7D-1A
> attach xq tap:tap0
>
> ;AutoBoot
> ;EXPECT ">>> " SEND "BOOT\r"
>
> ;BOOT
>
> Brian
>
> On Saturday, September 6, 2025 at 11:45:31PM EDT, Johnny
Billquist
> <bqt(a)softjar.se
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
So could you show the simh ini file for the failed instance?
Johnny
On 2025-09-07 05:18, Brian Roth wrote:
> OK. I cannot figure why but for some reason, if I build the
nodes on
> > working Pi's and then transfer thefiles over to the the non-
> > working nodes, they communicate. And vice-versa, non-
working
nodes stay
> > non-working on the good Pi's. Theyare all updated,
using
4.x
version of
> > simh, same compilers etc. At leastI have a work around.
> >
> > BTW Terry All of the NCP info was exactly the same. I
did the
>
calculations and verified the scssystemid in modparams,
stripped theini
> files to the bare minimum to no avail.
> Brian.
>
>
> On Saturday, September 6, 2025 at 05:58:01 PM EDT, Terri
Kennedy
<terri-
> > hecnet(a)glaver.org <mailto:hecnet@glaver.org> <mailto:hecnet@glaver.org>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > [I mistakenly sent this reply to an address not
subscribed to
the list.]
> >
> > On 2025-09-06 16:30, Brian Roth wrote:
> >
> > > This is really kicking me.I have a rack with 5 Pi's
in it.
All are
> > > going to the same switch. 2 of them have 4 simh
instances
each
that are
> > working fine (DECNET). TCP-IP is working fine onall of
them. They
are
> > all wired. On the Pi thatsrunning
SCOOBY I created a
11/780running
> > VMS 5.5. It does not communicate as
well even though it
sayscircuitup
> > > (same problem as SCOOBY) OK, I created another an entirely
> > > different Pi with the sameresults. I have changed
around
the assigned
> > > MAC address's in the simh ini files, swapped switch
ports.
Running out
> > > of idea's here. I have Wireshark on one of the Pi's
but haveno
>
> experience using it. GuessI better learn.
>
> Remember, DECnet (assuming Phase IV) is going to change the
MAC address
> to one derived from the assigned DECnet
address. The DECnet
address
> should also match SCSSYSTEMID, although I
believe it will
complain if
> > they don't.
> >
> > Unique MAC addresses in the SIMH config prevent from
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> clashing with each other before DECnet
starts, as well as
confusing the
> switche(s) that the nodes are connected
to.
>
> > On Friday, September 5, 2025 at 02:10:04 PM EDT,Johnny
Billquist
> > > <bqt(a)softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>>
troubleshoot this
wrote:
> >
> > I would probably guess at a problem with the actual MAC
address
usedby
> > > that MicroVMS system, but it's pretty hard to > > > remotely.
> > >
> > > But it's very clear that all the other nodes arenot
seeing
31.282 as
> > > up, and so any communication will be failing.
> > >
> > > Other possible problems could be if the connection
to
the
outside
> > > network is actually configured differently on this
instance
than the
for
one
> > others, for example.
> >
> > Trying to think of other possible problems it could be.
Maybe
posting
> > > the simh config for the failing machine, as wellas working,
simhinstances.
> > could be helpful.
> >
> > Johnny
> >
> > On 2025-09-05 20:04, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> >> I've seen issues sometimes, but I don't know the full
extent of what
> > >> the
> > >> exact results might be.
> > >>
> > >> But don't matter. Now we know they are all >
>>
> >> Johnny
> >>
> >> On 2025-09-05 19:57, PaulKoning wrote:
> >>> I thought SQE failure isonly a warning and would not
stopthe
device
> >>> from working.
> >>>
> >>> pul
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 5, 2025, at 1:27 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>>wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That's one possibility.Another if he's running
kind of
correctly inthe
> >>>> emulator on a system that
don't actually allow
programmatic change
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> the MAC address, and you need to set the MAC > > >>>> emulator before
starting up. And if it is real
hardware,
is it
> > >>>> connected to some switch then?10baseT? Does he
have an
adapter that
> > >>>> can do SQE?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There are many possibleways things could
notwork. What
we can see
> > >>>> isjust that incoming broadcast/multicast packets
work,
but so far
up. So
> >>>> nothing else.
> >>>>
> >>>> Johnny
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2025-09-05 19:22, Paul Koning wrote:
> >>>>> Is it WiFi? Thatdoesn't work with DECnet MAC
addresses (it
> >>>>> doesn't
> >>>>> like it when the NIC changes its address to
aa-00-04-00-xx-yy).
> >>>>> paul
> >>>>>> On Sep 5, 2025, at 1:14 PM, Johnny Billquist
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> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Well, GEEZER (31.278)is not seeing 31.282 as
that's why
it to
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> have a problem. This usually means that packets are
working
> in one
> > >>>>>> direction, but not the other.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Was this a real machine? How have you connected
the rest of
> > >>>>>> the network?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Johnny
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 2025-09-05 18:45, Brian Roth wrote:
> > >>>>>>> The address is 31.282. No File access,
Phone
or NCP
Tell to
notreachable.
other
> >>>>>>> nodes but it is still able to go out and find a
router. It
> >>>>>>> (31.282) can
phone itself and set host butother
nodesit just
> >>>>>>> hangs. If I
phone anothernode it will justsit at
"Establishing
> > >>>>>>> Decnet Link and thenerror to "Node is
> > >>>>>>>
Brian.
> > >>>>>>> On Friday, September5, 2025 at 12:38:11 PM
EDT, Johnny
> Billquist
> > >>>>>>> <bqt(a)softjar.se
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
Phone?
> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> No. Qbus ethernet orUnibus ethernet makesno
difference here.
> > >>>>>>> Does anything else work? NCP to other
nodes? File access?
> > >>>>>>> What's the address of that microvax?
> > >>>>>>> Johnny
> > >>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 17:59,Brian Roth wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Hello, I currently have 8 simh vax
machines
on Hecnetall
>
>>>>>>>> working
> >>>>>>>> fine.
> >>>>>>>> Its a mix of machines running VMS 3.5 to 7.3 and
while some
> were
> > >>>>>>>> abit
> > >>>>>>>> of a challenge theyall talk. I recently
aMicrovax
> > >>>>>>>> II
> > >>>>>>>> with
> > >>>>>>>> MicroVMS 4.6 as well as Decnet 4.6 and
assigned it
tomy area
KNOWN
> >>>>>>>> 31.
> >>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>> network loads without errors and I am able to SET
HOST to
> itself
> > >>>>>>>> butto
> > >>>>>>>> no other nodes in my area or vice
versa. SHOW CIRCUITS
that. If
> >>>>>>>> showsthe
> >>>>>>>> hosts I manually defined. SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS
CHARACTERISTICS
> > >>>>>>>> showsa
> > >>>>>>>> designated router in my area so its
finding I bring a
> > >>>>>>>> router
> > >>>>>>>> node down it successfully finds another
in
the area.
> >
>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The microvax node:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Known Circuit Volatile Characteristics
asof
5-SEP-1987
>
>>>>>>>> 11:37:16
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Circuit = QNA-0
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> State = on
> >>>>>>>> Service = disabled
> >>>>>>>> Designated router = 31.278
> >>>>>>>> Cost =4
> >>>>>>>> Router priority =64
> >>>>>>>> Hello timer = 15
> >>>>>>>> Type = Ethernet
> >>>>>>>> Adjacent node =31.278
> >>>>>>>> Listen timer = 45
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The working nodes match with the exception of the
circuit. All
> >>>>>>>> theother
> >>>>>>>> machines are UNA-0 (UNIBUS) and this one is of
courseQNA-0
> > >>>>>>>> Couldthis
> > >>>>>>>> be the problem?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Brian.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
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