Right I forgot about the byte swap. The thing is with the tap interface is I put another machine from the working Pi on that same tap number and it worked fine,

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On Sunday, September 7, 2025, 5:42 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote:

Like I said - AA-00-04-00-7D-1A is really the DECnet address 6.637.
Address AA-00-04-00-1A-7D is the correct MAC address for 31.282.

But anyway - I don't think the problem is there. simh should handle the
change to the correct one.

But tcpdump on eth0 might be a clue. Since we are not seeing any traffic
from 31.282, something is not getting through correctly going out from
that machine, while reception is working fine. I wonder if it's possible
to run tcpdump on the tap interface, and see if the outgoing packets can
be found anywhere...

Johnny

On 2025-09-07 20:52, Brian Roth wrote:
> Oh, I know how to do the calculation. MAC AA-00-04-00-7D-1A.
> SCSSYSTEMID=32026 and I put that in one of the ini files that I tried,
> and it didn’t matter. Yes, I have five tap devices on each raspberry PI.
> They do all have different MAC’s I at least make sure of that. I did
> the tcpdump on eth0 so it saw all of the bridged traffic.
>
>
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>
> On Sunday, September 7, 2025, 11:21 AM, Johnny Billquist
> <bqt@softjar.se> wrote:
>
> Well, your doing the calculation wrong. Or rather, the calculation as
> such is correct, but you have the byte order wrong. :)
>
> But yes, when VMS boots, it is supposed to change the MAC address
> anyway, and so it supposedly (hopefully) don't matter, as simh is
> trying
> to emulate the MAC address change correctly.
>
> Are you attaching other simh instances also to tap? Same or different
> number? What did you do the tcpdump against?
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2025-09-07 17:12, Brian Roth wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I used to do the calculations but I found it really
> didn’tmatter.
> > I actually have one where the MAC address is commented out and it
> works
> > fine.
> >
> >
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> >
> > On Sunday, September 7, 2025, 10:52 AM, Johnny Billquist
> > <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
> >
> > Uh?
> > AA-00-04-00-7D-1A equals a DECnet address of 6.637.That is
> probably
> > not
> > going to help...
> >
> > Any reason why you set that. And do you have equally crazy MAC
> > addresses
> > for your other simh instances (and it works on those?)?
> >
> > Johnny
> >
> > On 2025-09-07 16:14, Brian Roth wrote:
> > > When I first had trouble with it I assumedmaybe some bad
> install
> > media
> > > so I decided to try again with a 5.5 iso image. It still
> did not
> > work.
> > > It does indeed work on the other pi now and I used this
> ini file
> > throughout.
> > >
> > > ; SIMH configuration for MicroVAX II *** SCOOBY ***
> > >
> > >
> > > ; ---- CPU ----
> > >
> > > SET CPU 16M
> > > SET CPU CONHALT
> > > SET CPU IDLE=VMS
> > > SET CPU AUTOBOOT
> > >
> > > ATT NVR ../data/NVR.BIN
> > >
> > > SET CONSOLE LOG=scooby.log
> > >
> > > ; ---- DISKS ----
> > >
> > > SET RQ0 ENABLE
> > > SET RQ0 RD54
> > > ATT RQ0 ../data/VMS055.R54
> > >
> > > SET RQ1 ENABLE
> > > SET RQ1 RX50
> > >
> > >
> > > SET RQ2 ENABLE
> > > SET RQ2 RX50
> > >
> > >
> > > SET RQ3 RD54
> > > ATT RQ3 ../data/vms552h4.iso
> > > ;SET DZ LINES=4
> > > ;ATT DZ 6666
> > >
> > > ; ---- TAPE ----
> > >
> > > ;SET TQ0 ENABLE
> > > ;ATT TQ0 ../data/AQ-FP13D-BN_MICROVMS_4.6_87.tap
> > >
> > > SET TQ1 DISABLE
> > > SET TQ2 DISABLE
> > > SET TQ3 DISABLE
> > >
> > > SET LPT DISABLE
> > > SET RL DISABLE
> > > SET TS DISABLE
> > >
> > > ; ---- Networking ----
> > >
> > > set xq mac=AA-00-04-00-7D-1A
> > > attach xq tap:tap0
> > >
> > > ;AutoBoot
> > > ;EXPECT ">>> " SEND "BOOT\r"
> > >
> > > ;BOOT
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > On Saturday, September 6, 2025 at 11:45:31PM EDT, Johnny
> Billquist
> > > <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > So could you show the simh ini file for the failed instance?
> > >
> > > Johnny
> > >
> > > On 2025-09-07 05:18, Brian Roth wrote:
> > > > OK. I cannot figure why but for some reason, if I build the
> > nodes on
> > > > working Pi's and then transfer thefiles over to the
> Pi's with
> > the non-
> > > > working nodes, they communicate. And vice-versa, non-
> working
> > nodes stay
> > > > non-working on the good Pi's. Theyare all updated,
> using 4.x
> > version of
> > > > simh, same compilers etc. At leastI have a work around.
> > > >
> > > > BTW Terry All of the NCP info was exactly the same. I
> did the
> > > > calculations and verified the scssystemid in modparams,
> > stripped theini
> > > > files to the bare minimum to no avail.
> > > > Brian.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Saturday, September 6, 2025 at 05:58:01 PM EDT, Terri
> > Kennedy <terri-
> > > > hecnet@glaver.org <mailto:hecnet@glaver.org>
> <mailto:hecnet@glaver.org>
> > <mailto:hecnet@glaver.org>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [I mistakenly sent this reply to an address not
> subscribed to
> > the list.]
> > > >
> > > > On 2025-09-06 16:30, Brian Roth wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This is really kicking me.I have a rack with 5 Pi's
> in it.
> > All are
> > > > > going to the same switch. 2 of them have 4 simh
> instances each
> > > that are
> > > > > working fine (DECNET). TCP-IP is working fine onall of
> > them. They are
> > > > > all wired. On the Pi thatsrunning SCOOBY I created a
> > 11/780running
> > > > > VMS 5.5. It does not communicate as well even though it
> > sayscircuitup
> > > > > (same problem as SCOOBY) OK, I created another
> instance on
> > an entirely
> > > > > different Pi with the sameresults. I have changed
> around
> > the assigned
> > > > > MAC address's in the simh ini files, swapped switch
> ports.
> > Running out
> > > > > of idea's here. I have Wireshark on one of the Pi's
> but haveno
> > > > > experience using it. GuessI better learn.
> > > >
> > > > Remember, DECnet (assuming Phase IV) is going to change the
> > MAC address
> > > > to one derived from the assigned DECnet address. The DECnet
> > address
> > > > should also match SCSSYSTEMID, although I believe it will
> > complain if
> > > > they don't.
> > > >
> > > > Unique MAC addresses in the SIMH config prevent
> multiplenodes
> > from
> > > > clashing with each other before DECnet starts, as well as
> > confusing the
> > > > switche(s) that the nodes are connected to.
> > > >
> > > > > On Friday, September 5, 2025 at 02:10:04 PM EDT,Johnny
> > Billquist
> > > > > <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I would probably guess at a problem with the actual MAC
> > address usedby
> > > > > that MicroVMS system, but it's pretty hard to
> troubleshoot this
> > > > > remotely.
> > > > >
> > > > > But it's very clear that all the other nodes arenot
> seeing
> > 31.282 as
> > > > > up, and so any communication will be failing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Other possible problems could be if the connection
> to the
> > outside
> > > > > network is actually configured differently on this
> instance
> > than the
> > > > > others, for example.
> > > > >
> > > > > Trying to think of other possible problems it could be.
> > Maybe posting
> > > > > the simh config for the failing machine, as wellas
> for one
> > working,
> > > > > could be helpful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Johnny
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2025-09-05 20:04, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> > > > >> I've seen issues sometimes, but I don't know the full
> > extent of what
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> exact results might be.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But don't matter. Now we know they are all
> simhinstances.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Johnny
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 2025-09-05 19:57, PaulKoning wrote:
> > > > >>> I thought SQE failure isonly a warning and would not
> > stopthe
> > > device
> > > > >>> from working.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> pul
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On Sep 5, 2025, at 1:27 PM, Johnny Billquist
> > <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> > > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>>wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> That's one possibility.Another if he's running
> on some
> > kind of
> > > > >>>> emulator on a system that don't actually allow
> > programmatic change
> > > > >>>> of
> > > > >>>> the MAC address, and you need to set the MAC
> correctly inthe
> > > > >>>> emulator before starting up. And if it is real
> hardware,
> > is it
> > > > >>>> connected to some switch then?10baseT? Does he
> have an
> > adapter that
> > > > >>>> can do SQE?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> There are many possibleways things could
> notwork. What
> > we can see
> > > > >>>> isjust that incoming broadcast/multicast packets
> work,
> > but so far
> > > > >>>> nothing else.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Johnny
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On 2025-09-05 19:22, Paul Koning wrote:
> > > > >>>>> Is it WiFi? Thatdoesn't work with DECnet MAC
> > addresses (it
> > > > >>>>> doesn't
> > > > >>>>> like it when the NIC changes its address to
> > aa-00-04-00-xx-yy).
> > > > >>>>> paul
> > > > >>>>>> On Sep 5, 2025, at 1:14 PM, Johnny Billquist
> > <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> > > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>>
> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Well, GEEZER (31.278)is not seeing 31.282 as
> up. So
> > that's why
> > > > >>>>>> you
> > > > >>>>>> have a problem. This usually means that packets are
> > working
> > > in one
> > > > >>>>>> direction, but not the other.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Was this a real machine? How have you connected
> it to
> > the rest of
> > > > >>>>>> the network?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Johnny
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On 2025-09-05 18:45, Brian Roth wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> The address is 31.282. No File access, Phone
> or NCP
> > Tell to
> > > other
> > > > >>>>>>> nodes but it is still able to go out and find a
> > router. It
> > > > >>>>>>> (31.282) can phone itself and set host butother
> > nodesit just
> > > > >>>>>>> hangs. If I phone anothernode it will justsit at
> > "Establishing
> > > > >>>>>>> Decnet Link and thenerror to "Node is
> notreachable.
> > > > >>>>>>> Brian.
> > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, September5, 2025 at 12:38:11 PM
> EDT, Johnny
> > > Billquist
> > > > >>>>>>> <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
> > > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> No. Qbus ethernet orUnibus ethernet makesno
> > difference here.
> > > > >>>>>>> Does anything else work? NCP to other nodes?
> Phone?
> > File access?
> > > > >>>>>>> What's the address of that microvax?
> > > > >>>>>>> Johnny
> > > > >>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 17:59,Brian Roth wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> Hello, I currently have 8 simh vax machines
> on Hecnetall
> > > > >>>>>>>> working
> > > > >>>>>>>> fine.
> > > > >>>>>>>> Its a mix of machines running VMS 3.5 to 7.3 and
> > while some
> > > were
> > > > >>>>>>>> abit
> > > > >>>>>>>> of a challenge theyall talk. I recently
> configured
> > aMicrovax
> > > > >>>>>>>> II
> > > > >>>>>>>> with
> > > > >>>>>>>> MicroVMS 4.6 as well as Decnet 4.6 and
> assigned it
> > tomy area
> > > > >>>>>>>> 31.
> > > > >>>>>>>> The
> > > > >>>>>>>> network loads without errors and I am able to SET
> > HOST to
> > > itself
> > > > >>>>>>>> butto
> > > > >>>>>>>> no other nodes in my area or vice versa. SHOW
> KNOWN
> > CIRCUITS
> > > > >>>>>>>> showsthe
> > > > >>>>>>>> hosts I manually defined. SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS
> > CHARACTERISTICS
> > > > >>>>>>>> showsa
> > > > >>>>>>>> designated router in my area so its finding
> that. If
> > I bring a
> > > > >>>>>>>> router
> > > > >>>>>>>> node down it successfully finds another in
> the area.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> The microvax node:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Known Circuit Volatile Characteristics asof
> 5-SEP-1987
> > > > >>>>>>>> 11:37:16
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Circuit = QNA-0
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> State    = on
> > > > >>>>>>>> Service           = disabled
> > > > >>>>>>>> Designated router = 31.278
> > > > >>>>>>>> Cost =4
> > > > >>>>>>>> Router priority      =64
> > > > >>>>>>>> Hello timer = 15
> > > > >>>>>>>> Type = Ethernet
> > > > >>>>>>>> Adjacent node   =31.278
> > > > >>>>>>>> Listen timer    = 45
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> The working nodes match with the exception of the
> > circuit. All
> > > > >>>>>>>> theother
> > > > >>>>>>>> machines are UNA-0 (UNIBUS) and this one is of
> > courseQNA-0
> > > > >>>>>>>> Couldthis
> > > > >>>>>>>> be the problem?
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Brian.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
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