9 Dec
2021
9 Dec
'21
2:26 a.m.
Trying to boot VMS V3 on an 8600 will not work. That machine didn't
exist yet back then. V4.something was when 8600 support was added.
(Possibly V4.7)
Johnny
On 2021-12-09 01:14, Supratim Sanyal wrote:
This was attempted with John Dundas' VMS 3.0
distribution towards the
end of March, 2020. The last email I have from
Reindert is below.
It looks there is some decnet on the disk.
Exec list gives phase-III router:
$ mc ncp
NCP>show exec char
Node Volatile Characteristics as of 21-MAR-2020 15:16:42
Executor node = 0
Identification = DECnet-VAX V3.0, VMS V3.0
Management version = V3.0.0
Incoming timer = 45
Outgoing timer = 45
NSP version = V3.2.0
Maximum links = 32
Delay factor = 64
Delay weight = 2
Inactivity timer = 60
Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = V1.3.0
Type = routing
Routing timer = 600
Maximum address = 1
Maximum circuits = 0
Maximum cost = 1023
Maximum hops = 31
Maximum visits = 63
Maximum buffers = 2
Buffer size = 1000
Default access = incoming and outgoing
So ..... playtime ....?
R.V.
-----Original Message-----
From:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of R.
Voorhorst
Sent: Saturday, 21 March, 2020 14:48
To:hecnet at Update.UU.SE; 'Ray Jewhurst'<raywjewhurst at gmail.com>;
'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'<cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Cc: 'simh'<simH at trailing-edge.com>; 'John Dundas'<dundas at
caltech.edu>
Subject: RE: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download --> boot on
Vax8600/50
Boot on Vax8600:
HK0: 'F:\Shares\Distribution\VMS\Vms_30\VAXVMSV3.0-26APR1982\vmsv30.rk07'
Contains ODS2 File system
HK0: Volume Name: VAXVMSRL3 Format: DECFILE11B Sectors In Volume: 53790
sim> b hk0
Loading boot code from internal vmb.exe
%SYSBOOT-W-ECO or microcode version less than minimum required for VMS.
%SYSBOOT-E-Unable to locate file SYSLOA
SC.EXE
HALT instruction, PC: 0000325A (CLRQ R8)
sim>
So some work to do or not (very well) possible.
So it will run on Vax11/780 the original workhorse from then.
Somewhere a Decnet-3.0 around for Vms to make it complete?
Best regards,
R.V.
-----Original Message-----
From:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of
Paul Birkel
Sent: Saturday, 21 March, 2020 13:56
To: 'Ray Jewhurst'<raywjewhurst at gmail.com>; 'General Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'<cctalk at classiccmp.org>;hecnet at update.uu.se
Cc: 'simh'<simH at trailing-edge.com>; 'John Dundas'<dundas at
caltech.edu>
Subject: RE: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download
According to the Release Notes it works on the 11/750 and 11/730 as well.
See: AA-D015D-TE
https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_decvaxvms3leaseNotesV3.0May82_5458871…
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ray Jewhurst via
cctalk
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:34 AM
To:hecnet at update.uu.se
Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts; simh; John Dundas
Subject: Re: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download
From 1982 I see. I know that this will run on the 780/785 but what about the other
VAX-11s or the 8600? I am purely a simulator and have never used the real thing and I am
not sure what years the models in question were released. Sorry if my questions seem
ignorant.
Ray
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 8:08 AM Supratim Sanyal<supratim at riseup.net> wrote:
--
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
John Dundas' distribution of VAX/VMS version
3.0 (April 1982) can now
be downloaded from my Dropbox.
The SYSTEM password is MANAGER.
Note: Dropbox does not force you to create an account, if you look
carefully you will see a "Continue to view" link at the bottom of that
pop-up.
Here's what it boots into:
VAX/VMS Version V3.0 26-APR-1982 16:21
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 21-MAR-2020 11:58
%JBC-I-NEWQUEUE, new queue file created %OPCOM, 21-MAR-2020
11:58:34.51, logfile initialized by operator OPA0
logfile is SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 21-MAR-2020 11:58:39.91
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS version V3.0 $ $
Grab it fromhttps://bit.ly/vaxvms30
Regards,
Supratim
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QCOCAL::SANYAL via HECnet
On 12/8/21 7:00 PM, Tony Nicholson wrote:
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 10:25 AM Mark J. Blair
<nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
I'm trying to find the oldest VAX/VMS version which:
* Supports DECnet Phase IV over ethernet
* Supports the VAX-11/730
* I can get my hands on images of the OS installation and anything
(licenses?) needed for DECnet Phase IV
[snip]
I have not found any scans of the DECnet-VAX Software Installation
Guide or the DECnet-VAX System Manager's Guide yet, and I don't
know what needs to be done to install and/or configure DECnet in
such an old VMS version. I see that stuff related to DECnet is
present after installation, such as STARTNET.COM
<http://STARTNET.COM> and NCP.EXE, but DECnet-VAX is referred to
as an optional component which must be licensed separately. I
gather from discussions elsewhere that there may be at least one
critical file missing that serves as the "license" for DECnet-VAX?
The VAX/VMS DECnet license "key" for old versions (V4.7 and prior)
came in the form of a saveset (on a TK50 or magtap) that you
installed.? It did a binary patch on the NETACP.EXE image to enable
things. There are separate versions for routing and end-node
configurations.
The thing that bothers me running old versions of VAX/VMS is the lack
of Y2K updates.? You will probably need to boot with a date last
century (subtract 28 years to get matching calendar days) to avoid
some gotchas.? For VAX/VMS V3.0 there may have been some mandatory
upgrade patches too.
I have the VAX/VMS V4.7 mandatory patches and DECnet "key" for a
routing node should you need them.
Tony
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