9 Dec
2021
9 Dec
'21
8:58 a.m.
We installed 4.2 on the 8600 at the British Geological Survey at Keyworth, so from
http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/4670/1/BGSPresentation.pdf
"Oracle first introduced to BGS in 1983 running under VMS 4.2
on a VAX 8600 computer with 12Mb memory, 2.7 Gb disk
space. User Interface was Oracle Forms and SQLPlus"
Dave
G4UGM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 09 December 2021 01:26
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Oldest VAX/VMS for VAX-11/730 on HECNET
Trying to boot VMS V3 on an 8600 will not work. That machine didn't exist yet
back then. V4.something was when 8600 support was added.
(Possibly V4.7)
Johnny
On 2021-12-09 01:14, Supratim Sanyal wrote:
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
This was attempted with John Dundas' VMS 3.0
distribution towards the
end of March, 2020. The last email I have from Reindert is below.
It looks there is some decnet on the disk.
Exec list gives phase-III router:
$ mc ncp
NCP>show exec char
Node Volatile Characteristics as of 21-MAR-2020 15:16:42
Executor node = 0
Identification = DECnet-VAX V3.0, VMS V3.0
Management version = V3.0.0
Incoming timer = 45
Outgoing timer = 45
NSP version = V3.2.0
Maximum links = 32
Delay factor = 64
Delay weight = 2
Inactivity timer = 60
Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = V1.3.0
Type = routing
Routing timer = 600
Maximum address = 1
Maximum circuits = 0
Maximum cost = 1023
Maximum hops = 31
Maximum visits = 63
Maximum buffers = 2
Buffer size = 1000
Default access = incoming and outgoing
So ..... playtime ....?
R.V.
-----Original Message-----
From:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of R. Voorhorst
Sent: Saturday, 21 March, 2020 14:48
To:hecnet at Update.UU.SE; 'Ray Jewhurst'<raywjewhurst at gmail.com>;
'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts'<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Cc: 'simh'<simH at trailing-edge.com>; 'John Dundas'<dundas at
caltech.edu>
Subject: RE: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download
--> boot on Vax8600/50
Boot on Vax8600:
HK0: 'F:\Shares\Distribution\VMS\Vms_30\VAXVMSV3.0-
26APR1982\vmsv30.rk07'
Contains ODS2 File system
HK0: Volume Name: VAXVMSRL3 Format: DECFILE11B
Sectors In Volume:
53790
sim> b hk0
Loading boot code from internal vmb.exe
%SYSBOOT-W-ECO or microcode version less than minimum required for
VMS.
%SYSBOOT-E-Unable to locate file SYSLOA SC.EXE
HALT instruction, PC:
0000325A (CLRQ R8)
sim>
So some work to do or not (very well) possible.
So it will run on Vax11/780 the original workhorse from then.
Somewhere a Decnet-3.0 around for Vms to make it complete?
Best regards,
R.V.
-----Original Message-----
From:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Paul Birkel
Sent: Saturday, 21 March, 2020 13:56
To: 'Ray Jewhurst'<raywjewhurst at gmail.com>; 'General Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts'<cctalk at classiccmp.org>;hecnet at update.uu.se
Cc: 'simh'<simH at trailing-edge.com>; 'John Dundas'<dundas at
caltech.edu>
Subject: RE: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download
According to the Release Notes it works on the 11/750 and 11/730 as well.
See: AA-D015D-TE
https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_decvaxvms3leaseNotesV3.0May82_54
58871/mode/2up
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ray
Jewhurst via cctalk
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:34 AM To:hecnet at update.uu.se
Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts; simh; John
Dundas
Subject: Re: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download
From 1982 I see. I know that this will run on the 780/785 but what about
the
other VAX-11s or the 8600? I am purely a simulator and have never used
the real thing and I am not sure what years the models in question were
released. Sorry if my questions seem ignorant.
Ray
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 8:08 AM Supratim Sanyal<supratim at riseup.net>
wrote:
> John Dundas' distribution of VAX/VMS version 3.0 (April 1982) can now
> be downloaded from my Dropbox.
>
> The SYSTEM password is MANAGER.
>
> Note: Dropbox does not force you to create an account, if you look
> carefully you will see a "Continue to view" link at the bottom of
> that pop-up.
>
> Here's what it boots into:
>
>
> VAX/VMS Version V3.0 26-APR-1982 16:21
>
>
> PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 21-MAR-2020
11:58
%JBC-I-NEWQUEUE, new queue file created %OPCOM, 21-MAR-2020
11:58:34.51, logfile initialized by operator OPA0
logfile is SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 21-MAR-2020 11:58:39.91
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS version V3.0 $ $
Grab it fromhttps://bit.ly/vaxvms30
Regards,
Supratim
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Supratim Sanyal, W1XMT
39.19151 N, 77.23432 W
QCOCAL::SANYAL via HECnet
On 12/8/21 7:00 PM, Tony Nicholson wrote:
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 10:25 AM Mark J. Blair
<nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
I'm trying to find the oldest VAX/VMS version which:
* Supports DECnet Phase IV over ethernet
* Supports the VAX-11/730
* I can get my hands on images of the OS installation and anything
(licenses?) needed for DECnet Phase IV
[snip]
I have not found any scans of the DECnet-VAX Software Installation
Guide or the DECnet-VAX System Manager's Guide yet, and I don't
know what needs to be done to install and/or configure DECnet in
such an old VMS version. I see that stuff related to DECnet is
present after installation, such as STARTNET.COM
<http://STARTNET.COM> and NCP.EXE, but DECnet-VAX is referred to
as an optional component which must be licensed separately. I
gather from discussions elsewhere that there may be at least one
critical file missing that serves as the "license" for DECnet-VAX?
The VAX/VMS DECnet license "key" for old versions (V4.7 and prior)
came in the form of a saveset (on a TK50 or magtap) that you
installed. It did a binary patch on the NETACP.EXE image to enable
things. There are separate versions for routing and end-node
configurations.
The thing that bothers me running old versions of VAX/VMS is the lack
of Y2K updates. You will probably need to boot with a date last
century (subtract 28 years to get matching calendar days) to avoid
some gotchas. For VAX/VMS V3.0 there may have been some mandatory
upgrade patches too.
I have the VAX/VMS V4.7 mandatory patches and DECnet "key" for a
routing node should you need them.
Tony
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