On 22 Nov 2012, at 20:55, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Anyone got one of these built? I've got a raspberry Pi collecting dust and figured I might as well turn it into something useful, like an emulated VAX.
Which Pi do you have?
I'd be willing to help with a SIMH-VAX distro for the pi. I've been wanting to write crappy shell scripts to generate simh configs anyway.
Sampsa
Anyone got one of these built? I've got a raspberry Pi collecting dust and figured I might as well turn it into something useful, like an emulated VAX.
Sampsa
On 21 Nov 2012, at 05:06, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2012, at 12:01, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 21/11/2012, a les 10:31, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure:
z/OS, AIX/ESA[370] and Debian/390x all under one emulated z/Arch box. That WOULD be cool.
And slow. VERY slow :)
I wasn't thinking of using this for production use. Compiling the kernel on Hercules was a giggle, took like 2 days.
Could always cross-compile!
If only they could get Ethernet support working (right now the tun/tap thing is a weird point-to-point link AFAIK).
It is. It works fine for TCP/IP (at level 3) but no level 2 so far.
Really? How? I thought the level 3 works as a point to point link as I said, the level 2 stuff would let things like DECNET run.
Could possibly be done with tunnels, or hacking your own encapsulation via RJE.
I'd love DECNET on some virtual IBM gear.
Got a sample say Debian/390 setup you'd like to share?
Sampsa
El 21/11/2012, a les 11:06, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure:
Really? How? I thought the level 3 works as a point to point link as I said, the level 2 stuff would let things like DECNET run.
Got a sample say Debian/390 setup you'd like to share?
Oh, I think so... but I'll have to dig for it. I know it works for z/OS (I can tn3270/ssh into the emulated machine, use IMS Connect, access DB2 remotely, ) so there is no reason for it to not work for Linux.
As for level 2, I think the Hercules implementation uses tunX devices, which work at level 3, so I guess it simply won't work for anything not IP.
I'd like it to support other protocols encapsulation... XCF for instance. Hercules-based Parallel SYSPLEXes would be doable then :)
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
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On 21 Nov 2012, at 12:01, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 21/11/2012, a les 10:31, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure:
z/OS, AIX/ESA[370] and Debian/390x all under one emulated z/Arch box. That WOULD be cool.
And slow. VERY slow :)
I wasn't thinking of using this for production use. Compiling the kernel on Hercules was a giggle, took like 2 days.
If only they could get Ethernet support working (right now the tun/tap thing is a weird point-to-point link AFAIK).
It is. It works fine for TCP/IP (at level 3) but no level 2 so far.
Really? How? I thought the level 3 works as a point to point link as I said, the level 2 stuff would let things like DECNET run.
Got a sample say Debian/390 setup you'd like to share?
Sampsa
El 21/11/2012, a les 10:31, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure:
z/OS, AIX/ESA[370] and Debian/390x all under one emulated z/Arch box. That WOULD be cool.
And slow. VERY slow :)
If only they could get Ethernet support working (right now the tun/tap thing is a weird point-to-point link AFAIK).
It is. It works fine for TCP/IP (at level 3) but no level 2 so far.
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
On 20 Nov 2012, at 18:27, Clem Cole wrote:
Be careful when you disparage it. AIX/370 could do some good stuff and I know of a number of firms swore by it for their engineering development teams. One large semi-conductor firm used it for all the simulation of an extremely large processor in the 1980s. At the time, they claimed no other system could handle it. In fact because of the support for process migration and rolling upgrades they keep the simulation running across some upgrades to the system.
Right I want a copy - I could run this under VM in Hercules, right?
z/OS, AIX/ESA[370] and Debian/390x all under one emulated z/Arch box. That WOULD be cool.
If only they could get Ethernet support working (right now the tun/tap thing is a weird point-to-point link AFAIK).
Sampsa
On 11/19/2012 09:18 PM, John Wilson wrote:
It's just such an amazingly bad match for that type of hardware
architecture. *shudder*
Yeah we had it at RPI and it was insanely slow. Sometimes it would drop
you during login because it couldn't process your username/password within
the 60-second timeout. And the software BS didn't help. The C compiler
was High-C and it had all kinds of bugs including choking on its own
#include files.
Fear.
Another side of the same mainframe ran MTS (from UMich) and a lot of people
never got over the culture shock, but it sure ran like a bat outta hell!
So it wasn't a slow computer, unless they horribly misconfigured the VM
AIX/370 was in, I guess.
VM tuning is a bit of a black art, even more involved than VMS tuning. (but VM doesn't have autogen ;)) Given the penchant for secrecy in the IBM world, at least compared to the DEC and UNIX worlds, I guess it's pretty conceivable that such things could happen.
P.S. I wrote the ROM half of PD.SYS for E11's new PDT-11/150 emulation and
now I'm working on the PDT-11/130 (TU58 with mutated DLV11) version for
good measure ... but slightly sidetracked attempting Terak stuff. I guess
this release is going to be all about the weird LSI-11-based micros!
That's gonna be just too much fun. :-)
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 11/20/2012 03:32 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
And speaking of that, there are materials available on the TUHS ftp
site for it.......
For AIX?
Hello!
**Suddenly something resembling a crashing and demolishing sound is
heard outside.**
No for Ultrix. And for the VAX.
Oh. Yes, of course. :)
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 11/20/2012 10:23 AM, Gregg Levine wrote:
And speaking of that, there are materials available on the TUHS ftp
site for it.......
For AIX?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
**Suddenly something resembling a crashing and demolishing sound is
heard outside.**
No for Ultrix. And for the VAX.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
