Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
>On 2015-04-15 12:43, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
>> Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
>>
>>> On 2015-04-15 06:58, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 04/14/2015 12:24 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-04-14 04:53, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey folks. I'm moving some text files to an RSX system via DECnet
>>>>>> under Linux. The files on the RSX system are not readable; I get
>>>>>> "illegal record size" when trying to type them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone hit this? I assume there's a simple solution..
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never had any luck at all transferring files from Linux to RSX.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, what do you see if you do a DSP <file> under RSX?
>>>>
>>>> Just got back from road trip #1, only have a moment, will get back to
>>>> this in the morning. Here is the DSP output:
>>>>
>>>> $ dsp forth.mac
>>>>
>>>> DU:[10,1]FORTH.MAC;1
>>>> Size: 139./144. Created: 15-APR-2015 00:54
>>>> Owner: [001,010] Revised: 15-APR-2015 00:55
>>>> File ID: (5601,10,0) Expires: <none_specified>
>>>> File protection: System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:R
>>>> File organization: Sequential
>>>> File attributes: Allocation=144, Extend=0
>>>> Record format: Stream, maximum 255 bytes
>>>> Record attributes: Carriage return
>>>
>>> Cool. So the first, and most obvious, problem, is that the file is
>>> indeed in stream format. So no ordinary RSX tool will touch it with a
>>> five foot pole...
>>
>> Really? So, we surely HAVE come a long way baby with VMS RMS! Still, any
>> stream format is a ridiculously lame way to differentiate records IMHO.
>
>Yes. Good and bad - RMS is very much embedded within VMS.
>In RSX, RMS is a library that you link in to any programs that wants it.
>And it's not the only kid in town. You also have FCS, which is a
>simpler, smaller library. The file formats are compatible between FCS
>and RMS, as far as FCS capabilities cover them. FCS do not handle
>indexed files, nor stream files.
>
>And all RSX tools use FCS. (Long story, but FCS was around before RMS
>even existed, and RMS is an optional component, so it might not even
>exist on all RSX systems.)
>
>>> Had you been pulling it from Linux to RSX, and initiated to transfer
>>>from the RSX side, you can tell NFT exactly what format you want for the
>>> file on the local side, when the remote side is a stream format file.
>>> Not sure Linux can do that if you do the transfer from the Linux side.
>>>
>>> My next suggestion is to read up on RMSCNV, on how to convert the file.
>>> I can never remember exactly how to use it, so I have to read every time
>>> I want to, but it can convert the file to another format for you.
>>
>> I can't comment there either; however, if VMS CONVERT help is needed, I'm
>> available.
>
>I believe that VMS CONVERT is pretty much the same deal as RMSCNV, but I
>bet the exact syntax differs. :-)
>
>> And now, back to RMS CDC.
>
>I know "RMS", and I know "CDC", I just can't place them in the same
>sentence. I must be missing something...
I'd bet that if you Googled RMSCDC, you'd get your answer.
It's an effort I've been working on since mid-2009 to allow Attunity to get
access to changed data in RMS files by VMS applications using RMS (indexed
file data was the primary goal but no file format or record format has been
excluded). Some fun (not really, a real head-scratcher it's been) recently
when my RMS CDC code was stressed tested with a 32 processor Itanium blade.
FYI, what I provide is the VMS magic seen in this "graphic" in the gray box
on the left.
http://www.attunity.com/sites/default/files/content/Attunity%20Stream%20for…
There's nothing specific to Attunity's process/products. RMSCDC is simply
a log (a sequential record log of all RMS data changes. It's coordinated
in a cluster environment too, so that in the shared file environment of the
OepnVMS cluster, nothing is logged out of sync.
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I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
>On 2015-04-15 06:58, Dave McGuire wrote:
>> On 04/14/2015 12:24 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> On 2015-04-14 04:53, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey folks. I'm moving some text files to an RSX system via DECnet
>>>> under Linux. The files on the RSX system are not readable; I get
>>>> "illegal record size" when trying to type them.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone hit this? I assume there's a simple solution..
>>>
>>> I have never had any luck at all transferring files from Linux to RSX.
>>>
>>> That said, what do you see if you do a DSP <file> under RSX?
>>
>> Just got back from road trip #1, only have a moment, will get back to
>> this in the morning. Here is the DSP output:
>>
>> $ dsp forth.mac
>>
>> DU:[10,1]FORTH.MAC;1
>> Size: 139./144. Created: 15-APR-2015 00:54
>> Owner: [001,010] Revised: 15-APR-2015 00:55
>> File ID: (5601,10,0) Expires: <none_specified>
>> File protection: System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:R
>> File organization: Sequential
>> File attributes: Allocation=144, Extend=0
>> Record format: Stream, maximum 255 bytes
>> Record attributes: Carriage return
>
>Cool. So the first, and most obvious, problem, is that the file is
>indeed in stream format. So no ordinary RSX tool will touch it with a
>five foot pole...
Really? So, we surely HAVE come a long way baby with VMS RMS! Still, any
stream format is a ridiculously lame way to differentiate records IMHO.
>Had you been pulling it from Linux to RSX, and initiated to transfer
>from the RSX side, you can tell NFT exactly what format you want for the
>file on the local side, when the remote side is a stream format file.
>Not sure Linux can do that if you do the transfer from the Linux side.
>
>My next suggestion is to read up on RMSCNV, on how to convert the file.
>I can never remember exactly how to use it, so I have to read every time
>I want to, but it can convert the file to another format for you.
I can't comment there either; however, if VMS CONVERT help is needed, I'm
available.
And now, back to RMS CDC.
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I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Does anyone have the sources (I need the sources, not just binaries) for
either the PDP-11 Pascal or Modula-2 compilers? It's probably on some DECUS
tape somewhere, but I'm hoping someone can save me the trouble of searching.
BTW, I have the sources (and working binaries) for the VAX/VMS Modula-2
compiler if anybody wants it. The VAX version was adapted from the PDP-11
version, and I'd like to find the original if I can.
Thanks,
Bob
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
>On 04/14/2015 11:53 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
>>=20
>> El 14/04/2015, a les 17:25, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> va esc=
>riure:
>>> On 04/14/2015 11:00 AM, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
>>>>> Hey folks. I'm moving some text files to an RSX system via DECnet=20
>>>>> under Linux. The files on the RSX system are not readable; I get=20
>>>>> "illegal record size" when trying to type them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone hit this? I assume there's a simple solution..
>>>>
>>>> What are the RMS attributes? (I don=E2=80=99t know how to ask RSX to=
> show
>>>> those, unfortunately.) A possible way to get this would be a file
>>>> with =E2=80=9Cno-span=E2=80=9D records and recordsize > 512.
>>>
>>> I don't know how to ask RSX for that...I used to be a heavy user of
>>> RSX, but that was in the 80s; I seem to have forgotten nearly
>>> everything. :-(
>>>
>>=20
>> This is basically a wild guess... Have you tried to change the line ter=
>minators of your files at the Linux side? Try to convert them to 'DOS' st=
>yle and see what happens. If the RSX FAL looks for a CR to split the reco=
>rds and it does not find it perhaps the result could be just what you are=
> observing.
>
> Yup, tried that...no change. :-(
I'm working RMS right now but it is, of course, VMS. Can you get the file
copied to a VMS system?
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I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DECtec [mailto:dectec-bounces at dectec.info] On Behalf Of Mark
> Wickens
> Sent: 13 April 2015 22:15
> To: DEC discussion list.; hecnet at update.uu.se; cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: [DECtec] DEC Legacy 2015 Pictures
>
> I've uploaded some photos from the 2015 DEC Legacy event:
> http://wickensonline.co.uk/declegacy/image
>
> Had a great time - already looking forward to the next one. Many thanks to
the
> presenters (local and remote) and everyone who attended.
>
> Regards, Mark.
>
> p.s. yes, I will try and get a better gallery tool embedded into the DEC
Legacy
> site. The drupal one I'm currently using sucks.
>
>
> --
Thank you Mark for continuing to organise this event. I always look forward
to it and can't wait for the next one.
Regards
Rob
Hey,
Are there any copies of the IA64 layered products out on HECnet? I can't
seem to find an LP image containing C.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Does anyone here have gnuplot binaries for VMS on VAX? I could
compile it, but I would like to be saved that time if possible.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
New Kensington, PA
