On 17 Jan 2013, at 16:23, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/17/2013 04:18 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I should try OpenIndiana I hate Sunacle Solaris with a passion. ;)
I love it, but I can no longer, as of just recently, get patches.
Sunacle refers to post-Oracle. :p
(Does anyone have an account I can use? I'll be good, I
promise...need it kinda badly)
In server roles, I agree 100%. For workstations, it's Linux all
the way with me nowadays. Since I can no longer get fast-enough
SGI hardware, Apple has fucked up OS X so badly that it's (to me)
unusable, and Oracle's Solaris is just so neolithic in its
desktoppy stuff, it'll take a great shift of stuff to move me off
of Linux. When I switched to it from OS X on the desktop 1.5 years
ago, my productivity pretty much tripled. (admittedly most of that
is due to the type of work I do though)
What did you run on your SGI gear?
IRIX, of course.
Wheeeeeeeee.
For server roles I personally prefer FreeBSD, but that's just a
matter of the fact I feel comfortable working with it.
That's great and all, and it's a great OS< but it's a really shitty
match for SPARC (and Alpha) hardware. It was shoehorned into place on
both platforms, something that never should've happened.
Ahhh, yeah. Most of what I do involves PCs, so that'd be why it's my preference.
I'd agree with OS X being unusable now. I spend a lot of time
tweaking it and making it bend over backwards to do what I want.
Often involving using Terminal.app exclusively with a bunch of X
apps. ;)
That's how I've always used graphical workstations...as a way to get a
buttload of terminal windows. (that's what they were pretty much FOR in
earlier times!)
I once bent windows in to letting me run Cygwin apps from cmd.exe. I can't function without a terminal that functions at least somewhat like a UNIX. ;) (command-wise)
I seriously get lost using a GUI file manager. ;)
Yeah, I don't see how anyone deals with that.
I only use it for large drag-and-drop of dissimilar files.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/17/2013 04:18 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I should try OpenIndiana I hate Sunacle Solaris with a passion. ;)
I love it, but I can no longer, as of just recently, get patches.
(Does anyone have an account I can use? I'll be good, I
promise...need it kinda badly)
In server roles, I agree 100%. For workstations, it's Linux all
the way with me nowadays. Since I can no longer get fast-enough
SGI hardware, Apple has fucked up OS X so badly that it's (to me)
unusable, and Oracle's Solaris is just so neolithic in its
desktoppy stuff, it'll take a great shift of stuff to move me off
of Linux. When I switched to it from OS X on the desktop 1.5 years
ago, my productivity pretty much tripled. (admittedly most of that
is due to the type of work I do though)
What did you run on your SGI gear?
IRIX, of course.
For server roles I personally prefer FreeBSD, but that's just a
matter of the fact I feel comfortable working with it.
That's great and all, and it's a great OS< but it's a really shitty
match for SPARC (and Alpha) hardware. It was shoehorned into place on
both platforms, something that never should've happened.
I'd agree with OS X being unusable now. I spend a lot of time
tweaking it and making it bend over backwards to do what I want.
Often involving using Terminal.app exclusively with a bunch of X
apps. ;)
That's how I've always used graphical workstations...as a way to get a
buttload of terminal windows. (that's what they were pretty much FOR in
earlier times!)
I seriously get lost using a GUI file manager. ;)
Yeah, I don't see how anyone deals with that.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 17 Jan 2013, at 15:50, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/17/2013 03:42 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On 1/17/2013 3:39 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
It does look promising. The guy working on SPARC support has run it
on an astonishing array of systems. His last release was a LiveDVD,
because he hadn't finished the installer yet. He was supposed to have
finished that recently but hasn't; it's evidently taking longer than he
expected.
He's one guy with a job and a life. It's amazing he's done what he has
so far!
Actually from what info has been floating around, he has neither a job
nor a life, outside of his work on OI. If he pulls it off, with the
installer, we'll owe him a great debt of gratitude.
I should try OpenIndiana I hate Sunacle Solaris with a passion. ;)
He was supposed to release his installable code about three weeks ago,
but didn't...not sure why.
I really need to get to trying to get OmniOS built for SPARC.
I couldn't really "lose interest" on this end; Solaris does
*everything* around here, whether I'm interested or not, and whether
Oracle is sleazy or not.
I'll run something Illumos based over anything Linux based any day of
the week.
In server roles, I agree 100%. For workstations, it's Linux all the
way with me nowadays. Since I can no longer get fast-enough SGI
hardware, Apple has fucked up OS X so badly that it's (to me) unusable,
and Oracle's Solaris is just so neolithic in its desktoppy stuff, it'll
take a great shift of stuff to move me off of Linux. When I switched to
it from OS X on the desktop 1.5 years ago, my productivity pretty much
tripled. (admittedly most of that is due to the type of work I do though)
What did you run on your SGI gear?
For server roles I personally prefer FreeBSD, but that's just a matter of the fact I feel comfortable working with it.
I'd agree with OS X being unusable now. I spend a lot of time tweaking it and making it bend over backwards to do what I want. Often involving using Terminal.app exclusively with a bunch of X apps. ;)
I seriously get lost using a GUI file manager. ;)
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 17 Jan 2013, at 15:45, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 1/17/2013 3:24 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 15:05,hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Two Linksys WAP54G units, that's what I'd do. The WAP54G is fairly old so may be cheap on EBay.
But you're not a Linksys fan, are you?
No, but from what I've recently learned, MoCa is going to be a great solution and I think it's what i'm going to go with.
I ran a wifi bridge many years ago when I lived in Philly. Never worked well and then the school across the street put in a bajillion million watt APs that used EVERY FUCKING AVAILABLE CHANNEL and my bridge just stopped working completely at that point.
That's when I was introduced to MoCA. 100mbit and solid. Also, latency is much lower than wireless.
Also, very cheap (looking now, NIM100s are $15/each on ebay but I paid $5/each for mine) and at least here in the US coax is almost guaranteed to be in place in pretty much every house so you rarely even have to do any major wire pulls.
I should probably have asked my friend who works for a local cableco instead as I lost the bid on the one. ;)
At least I got a lot of 2 I'm not patient when it comes to networking.
-brian
On 01/17/2013 03:42 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On 1/17/2013 3:39 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
It does look promising. The guy working on SPARC support has run it
on an astonishing array of systems. His last release was a LiveDVD,
because he hadn't finished the installer yet. He was supposed to have
finished that recently but hasn't; it's evidently taking longer than he
expected.
He's one guy with a job and a life. It's amazing he's done what he has
so far!
Actually from what info has been floating around, he has neither a job
nor a life, outside of his work on OI. If he pulls it off, with the
installer, we'll owe him a great debt of gratitude.
He was supposed to release his installable code about three weeks ago,
but didn't...not sure why.
I really need to get to trying to get OmniOS built for SPARC.
I couldn't really "lose interest" on this end; Solaris does
*everything* around here, whether I'm interested or not, and whether
Oracle is sleazy or not.
I'll run something Illumos based over anything Linux based any day of
the week.
In server roles, I agree 100%. For workstations, it's Linux all the
way with me nowadays. Since I can no longer get fast-enough SGI
hardware, Apple has fucked up OS X so badly that it's (to me) unusable,
and Oracle's Solaris is just so neolithic in its desktoppy stuff, it'll
take a great shift of stuff to move me off of Linux. When I switched to
it from OS X on the desktop 1.5 years ago, my productivity pretty much
tripled. (admittedly most of that is due to the type of work I do though)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 1/17/2013 3:24 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 15:05,hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
>Two Linksys WAP54G units, that's what I'd do. The WAP54G is fairly old so may be cheap on EBay.
>But you're not a Linksys fan, are you?
No, but from what I've recently learned, MoCa is going to be a great solution and I think it's what i'm going to go with.
I ran a wifi bridge many years ago when I lived in Philly. Never worked well and then the school across the street put in a bajillion million watt APs that used EVERY FUCKING AVAILABLE CHANNEL and my bridge just stopped working completely at that point.
That's when I was introduced to MoCA. 100mbit and solid. Also, latency is much lower than wireless.
Also, very cheap (looking now, NIM100s are $15/each on ebay but I paid $5/each for mine) and at least here in the US coax is almost guaranteed to be in place in pretty much every house so you rarely even have to do any major wire pulls.
-brian
On 1/17/2013 3:39 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
It does look promising. The guy working on SPARC support has run it
on an astonishing array of systems. His last release was a LiveDVD,
because he hadn't finished the installer yet. He was supposed to have
finished that recently but hasn't; it's evidently taking longer than he
expected.
He's one guy with a job and a life. It's amazing he's done what he has so far!
I really need to get to trying to get OmniOS built for SPARC.
I couldn't really "lose interest" on this end; Solaris does
*everything* around here, whether I'm interested or not, and whether
Oracle is sleazy or not.
I'll run something Illumos based over anything Linux based any day of the week.
-brian
On 1/17/2013 2:47 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
It's not. Companies other than HP made Itanium2 machines, you know.
Like Dell. I'm still not sure why they make them and who, if anyone, buys them.
Hell, I'm not even sure what people run on them if they don't run VMS/HP-UX. :)
I'll echo the "issues with linux on IA64" thing here. Now, granted this was many, many years ago, but I had issues with stuff segfaulting under RedHat on that Itanium box at Eric's place. Never did figure out why it did that.
-brian
On 01/17/2013 03:12 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
I use 8GB. In my Integrity box the RAM is banked per CPU, so I have
4GB per socket. I don't know if yours is the same?
I don't recall; it's been awhile since I've been inside that machine.
Yeah, I lost interest when Oracle slammed the door, but if
OpenIndiana looks promising on SPARC there may be hop for my Ultra 60
yet :)
It does look promising. The guy working on SPARC support has run it
on an astonishing array of systems. His last release was a LiveDVD,
because he hadn't finished the installer yet. He was supposed to have
finished that recently but hasn't; it's evidently taking longer than he
expected.
I couldn't really "lose interest" on this end; Solaris does
*everything* around here, whether I'm interested or not, and whether
Oracle is sleazy or not.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/17/2013 02:43 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
I know right? I'm amazed they still work!
Ahh, young'ns. ;) You're accustomed to brand-new drives dying in a
year or two. That's a relatively recent thing, designed to drive
sales figures.
Yeah. That's why belligerent bastards like me ALWAYS send 2-year old
corpses back to the manufacturer for replacement under warranty. I
ain't paying for a drive to die after 18 months when I have drives
here I bought and used 10 years ago that are still 100% working!!
Yep.
[Dave glances over at a stack of 40-year-old RK05s that work great..]
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
The only reason why those middle-aged drives work is because they've
got great backup...
I've got a crowd of SCSI drives here that agree with you Dave.
There's also a pair of one hundred year old Yetis outside who agree.
When they aren't doing things......
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