On 2013-02-07 16:30, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On Feb 7, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Bob Armstrong wrote:
That would mean at least RSX-11M V3 (or M+ V2),
I found an SPD (no software kits, sadly!) for DECnet-11M Phase III and
RSX-11M v3.2, but it's dated 1984. That's later then I would have expected
- I could have sworn that Phase IV was out by then. Actually by the fall of
84 I was working at DEC and I'm sure we had Phase IV on VMS by then. Do you
know when Phase III first shipped?
That 11M V3.2 would have any SPD from 1984 seems more and more strange. 3.2 was introduced in 1979, I think. Unless I remember wrong RSX-11M V4.0 was introduced in 1982.
The different operating systems got their DECnet upgrades at different times. For example, RSTS got Phase III
around 1981 (that was my first job in RSTS development). Phase IV took a very long time because of some benighted
notion around DEC management that Phase IV was a "big system" thing and therefore could not be considered for
lowly PDP11s.
Well, RSX had it. I'm pretty sure about that one.
As I recall, RT lagged even more, it stuck with Phase II longer than most. Or maybe I'm confused with another
unloved OS, like one of the 36 bit ones. Then again, I remember DECnet/10 doing Phase IV support rather early.
You should ask Peter if you want more on DECnet/10, but as far as I remember, TOPS-10 and -20 DECnet support was rather later coming. They had this horrible solution where the machine actually thought it was still talking Phase III even when it was Phase IV. Lots of trickery in the FE.
Phase IV development started not long after Ethernet appeared, though early on there was something (on paper only)
that looked much more like what ended up being Phase V. The "long header format" in Ethernet packets for Phase IV
is a vestige of that. The actual Phase IV originally was called IIIe (extended) and was concocted by Paul Beck
and myself in an attempt to make something that wasn't so hard. Looking up node addresses to get MAC addresses was
considered too hard by DECnet/VMS developers at that time.
That is definitely more than I know, except that yes, I understood that Ethernet was a major reason for Phase IV.
Johnny
Perhaps reading the MIB file might give you a clue to the oid? It's just a text file.
Ian
On 2013-02-07, at 9:28 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
I'll have to take another look at that, didn't have much luck with that before.
I shouldn't need the MIB files if anyone actually knew the OIDs for what I need to fetch. That's how I do the tftp load thing. I don't have MIBs and don't want/need them. I just use the numeric OIDs.
-brian
On 2/7/2013 12:25 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Brian,
I *think* you have to load the Cisco Decnet MIB in to your local machine before snmpwalk will walk the Decnet portion. I found a MIB from Cisco but was unable to get it loaded on my Linux box, so I gave up. Not that I tried really hard, though.
Ian
On 2013-02-07, at 9:23 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 2/7/2013 12:04 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 7 Feb 2013, at 12:03, Ian McLaughlin<ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Brian,
I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for your hard work on this! The level of automation is incredible. Now we just have to get Peter on board:)
I second this. Thank you.
Thank you very much guys. This has been amazingly fun to do and quite a learning experience as well. I've done stuff I've never had to do before. I learned new things! :)
I think that you are now the perfect source of information to assist in the Hecnet mapping project - at least for the Cisco part.
I think he is as well.;)
That and I wrote the NCP based mapping code, so yeah, I might just be the right guy. :)
Looking at an snmpwalk of my router I'm just not seeing anything DECnet in any way. I think I'm going to have to resort to other options (all of which had issues of some sort, so we'll see what we come up with).
If anyone knows what I should be looking at in SNMP or what I need to do to be able to get DECnet info out of SNMP on a cisco, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. :)
-brian
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I'll have to take another look at that, didn't have much luck with that before.
I shouldn't need the MIB files if anyone actually knew the OIDs for what I need to fetch. That's how I do the tftp load thing. I don't have MIBs and don't want/need them. I just use the numeric OIDs.
-brian
On 2/7/2013 12:25 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Brian,
I *think* you have to load the Cisco Decnet MIB in to your local machine before snmpwalk will walk the Decnet portion. I found a MIB from Cisco but was unable to get it loaded on my Linux box, so I gave up. Not that I tried really hard, though.
Ian
On 2013-02-07, at 9:23 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 2/7/2013 12:04 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 7 Feb 2013, at 12:03, Ian McLaughlin<ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Brian,
I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for your hard work on this! The level of automation is incredible. Now we just have to get Peter on board:)
I second this. Thank you.
Thank you very much guys. This has been amazingly fun to do and quite a learning experience as well. I've done stuff I've never had to do before. I learned new things! :)
I think that you are now the perfect source of information to assist in the Hecnet mapping project - at least for the Cisco part.
I think he is as well.;)
That and I wrote the NCP based mapping code, so yeah, I might just be the right guy. :)
Looking at an snmpwalk of my router I'm just not seeing anything DECnet in any way. I think I'm going to have to resort to other options (all of which had issues of some sort, so we'll see what we come up with).
If anyone knows what I should be looking at in SNMP or what I need to do to be able to get DECnet info out of SNMP on a cisco, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. :)
-brian
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Brian,
I *think* you have to load the Cisco Decnet MIB in to your local machine before snmpwalk will walk the Decnet portion. I found a MIB from Cisco but was unable to get it loaded on my Linux box, so I gave up. Not that I tried really hard, though.
Ian
On 2013-02-07, at 9:23 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 2/7/2013 12:04 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 7 Feb 2013, at 12:03, Ian McLaughlin<ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Brian,
I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for your hard work on this! The level of automation is incredible. Now we just have to get Peter on board:)
I second this. Thank you.
Thank you very much guys. This has been amazingly fun to do and quite a learning experience as well. I've done stuff I've never had to do before. I learned new things! :)
I think that you are now the perfect source of information to assist in the Hecnet mapping project - at least for the Cisco part.
I think he is as well.;)
That and I wrote the NCP based mapping code, so yeah, I might just be the right guy. :)
Looking at an snmpwalk of my router I'm just not seeing anything DECnet in any way. I think I'm going to have to resort to other options (all of which had issues of some sort, so we'll see what we come up with).
If anyone knows what I should be looking at in SNMP or what I need to do to be able to get DECnet info out of SNMP on a cisco, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. :)
-brian
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On 2/7/2013 12:04 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 7 Feb 2013, at 12:03, Ian McLaughlin<ian at platinum.net> wrote:
>Brian,
> I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for your hard work on this! The level of automation is incredible. Now we just have to get Peter on board:)
I second this. Thank you.
Thank you very much guys. This has been amazingly fun to do and quite a learning experience as well. I've done stuff I've never had to do before. I learned new things! :)
>
> I think that you are now the perfect source of information to assist in the Hecnet mapping project - at least for the Cisco part.
I think he is as well.;)
That and I wrote the NCP based mapping code, so yeah, I might just be the right guy. :)
Looking at an snmpwalk of my router I'm just not seeing anything DECnet in any way. I think I'm going to have to resort to other options (all of which had issues of some sort, so we'll see what we come up with).
If anyone knows what I should be looking at in SNMP or what I need to do to be able to get DECnet info out of SNMP on a cisco, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. :)
-brian
On 2/7/2013 12:02 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
What do you want charts of? I'm sure we can do that.:)
Per-tunnel traffic graphs could be fun.;)
Then a plot of Lat/Lon showing location.;)
This is all possible of course. I'll leave this to someone else, however. :)
-brian
Brett Bump wrote:
I think you need the DecNET Phase III install tapes
Yeah, the RSX and RSTS kits are available but finding the DECnet phase III
kit is the challenge!
Thanks,
Bob
Just a heads up - my router is going down for an hour or so while I relocate it from my config bench to a permanent racked location. No IP changes or anything.
Ian
On 2013-02-07, at 9:04 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 7 Feb 2013, at 12:03, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Brian,
I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for your hard work on this! The level of automation is incredible. Now we just have to get Peter on board :)
I second this. Thank you.
I think that you are now the perfect source of information to assist in the Hecnet mapping project - at least for the Cisco part.
I think he is as well. ;)
Ian
On 2013-02-07, at 8:57 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 2/6/2013 8:31 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
And now it works perfectly.
Cool.;)
Now all we need are charts. As one can NEVER have enough charts...
What do you want charts of? I'm sure we can do that. :)
Latest update (you have have seen a bunch of config emails) is that the script that loads the configs via tftp now not only works but is a lot smarter.
Everyone involved has given me a snmp community string. Except Peter, who is the holdout on all of this. :)
What that means is that if the tunnel configs change at all everyone will get their tunnels updated automatically.
-brian
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On 7 Feb 2013, at 12:03, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Brian,
I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for your hard work on this! The level of automation is incredible. Now we just have to get Peter on board :)
I second this. Thank you.
I think that you are now the perfect source of information to assist in the Hecnet mapping project - at least for the Cisco part.
I think he is as well. ;)
Ian
On 2013-02-07, at 8:57 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 2/6/2013 8:31 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
And now it works perfectly.
Cool.;)
Now all we need are charts. As one can NEVER have enough charts...
What do you want charts of? I'm sure we can do that. :)
Latest update (you have have seen a bunch of config emails) is that the script that loads the configs via tftp now not only works but is a lot smarter.
Everyone involved has given me a snmp community string. Except Peter, who is the holdout on all of this. :)
What that means is that if the tunnel configs change at all everyone will get their tunnels updated automatically.
-brian
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Brian,
I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for your hard work on this! The level of automation is incredible. Now we just have to get Peter on board :)
I think that you are now the perfect source of information to assist in the Hecnet mapping project - at least for the Cisco part.
Ian
On 2013-02-07, at 8:57 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 2/6/2013 8:31 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
And now it works perfectly.
Cool.;)
Now all we need are charts. As one can NEVER have enough charts...
What do you want charts of? I'm sure we can do that. :)
Latest update (you have have seen a bunch of config emails) is that the script that loads the configs via tftp now not only works but is a lot smarter.
Everyone involved has given me a snmp community string. Except Peter, who is the holdout on all of this. :)
What that means is that if the tunnel configs change at all everyone will get their tunnels updated automatically.
-brian
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