On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
it may not be a hole, comcast is known for filtering what they don't like:
from nbc news:
"Comcast's approach to traffic shaping is different because of the
drastic effect it has on one type of traffic in some cases blocking
it rather than slowing it down and the method used, which is
difficult to circumvent and involves the company falsifying network
traffic"
"They're using sophisticated technology to degrade service, which
probably costs them a lot of money. It would be better to see them use
that money to improve service"
On 2/11/13, Peter Lothberg <roll at stupi.se> wrote:
On 02/11/2013 11:21 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th,
and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image.
Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
I do have that need, and I do run a mail server, and I've made no
such request. I'm on a Business class connection, which shares neither
bandwidth, nor netblocks with dynamics, nor support staff. (my netblock
*used* to be dynamic, but hasn't been used that way for several years)
For example, the last time I called them, the *first person who
answered the phone* logged into a nameserver and corrected a PTR record
for me. (I checked!)
Now, the routing issue Peter mentioned...that's a different matter,
which I will need to check out. Lots of people and a few companies use
my network, and I've not had any issues thus far. I've always despised
the "cable company" ISPs, for obvious reasons, but Comcast Business has
surprised me by being absolutely top-notch from (my) day one.
They just have no connectivity. That's why you have no DECnet tunnel
to Stockholm. You should ask them for a discount and use that money to
buy services from someone else to fill the Comcast connectivity wholes.
-P
Hello!
Makes very good sense. Thank you Dan B. Nice photo by the way.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
it may not be a hole, comcast is known for filtering what they don't like:
from nbc news:
"Comcast's approach to traffic shaping is different because of the
drastic effect it has on one type of traffic in some cases blocking
it rather than slowing it down and the method used, which is
difficult to circumvent and involves the company falsifying network
traffic"
"They're using sophisticated technology to degrade service, which
probably costs them a lot of money. It would be better to see them use
that money to improve service"
On 2/11/13, Peter Lothberg <roll at stupi.se> wrote:
On 02/11/2013 11:21 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th,
and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image.
Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
I do have that need, and I do run a mail server, and I've made no
such request. I'm on a Business class connection, which shares neither
bandwidth, nor netblocks with dynamics, nor support staff. (my netblock
*used* to be dynamic, but hasn't been used that way for several years)
For example, the last time I called them, the *first person who
answered the phone* logged into a nameserver and corrected a PTR record
for me. (I checked!)
Now, the routing issue Peter mentioned...that's a different matter,
which I will need to check out. Lots of people and a few companies use
my network, and I've not had any issues thus far. I've always despised
the "cable company" ISPs, for obvious reasons, but Comcast Business has
surprised me by being absolutely top-notch from (my) day one.
They just have no connectivity. That's why you have no DECnet tunnel
to Stockholm. You should ask them for a discount and use that money to
buy services from someone else to fill the Comcast connectivity wholes.
-P
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/11/2013 11:21 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th,
and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
I do have that need, and I do run a mail server, and I've made no such
request. I'm on a Business class connection, which shares neither
bandwidth, nor netblocks with dynamics, nor support staff. (my netblock
*used* to be dynamic, but hasn't been used that way for several years)
For example, the last time I called them, the *first person who answered
the phone* logged into a nameserver and corrected a PTR record for me. (I
checked!)
Now, the routing issue Peter mentioned...that's a different matter, which
I will need to check out. Lots of people and a few companies use my
network, and I've not had any issues thus far. I've always despised the
"cable company" ISPs, for obvious reasons, but Comcast Business has
surprised me by being absolutely top-notch from (my) day one.
Comcast, and Cox, and Verizon, and even AT&T (down south), and
possibly Megapath, (mine), normally want to know why. But strangely
enough Megapath, doesn't care about a personal webserver living and
running here.
All or nearly all of the consumer services suck. They are like
Wal*Mart...super cheap up front, but in the end you pay in some other way.
Don't do it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Megapath was formed from the merger of Covad and Speakeasy and one
other. (Perhaps a smaller version of Megapath.)
They aren't originally consumer grade, but Covad was being badly
resold by AT&T and to me for about eight years from 2002 to 2010 and
towards the Winter of 2009 really screwed things up very badly.
But regarding the other bozos, yes I agree with you.
Now what's that cardboard box doing with those two cats and one Wookiee?
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 02/11/2013 11:21 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
I do have that need, and I do run a mail server, and I've made no
such request. I'm on a Business class connection, which shares neither
bandwidth, nor netblocks with dynamics, nor support staff. (my netblock
*used* to be dynamic, but hasn't been used that way for several years)
For example, the last time I called them, the *first person who
answered the phone* logged into a nameserver and corrected a PTR record
for me. (I checked!)
Now, the routing issue Peter mentioned...that's a different matter,
which I will need to check out. Lots of people and a few companies use
my network, and I've not had any issues thus far. I've always despised
the "cable company" ISPs, for obvious reasons, but Comcast Business has
surprised me by being absolutely top-notch from (my) day one.
They just have no connectivity. That's why you have no DECnet tunnel
to Stockholm. You should ask them for a discount and use that money to
buy services from someone else to fill the Comcast connectivity wholes.
-P
On 02/11/2013 11:21 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
I do have that need, and I do run a mail server, and I've made no such request. I'm on a Business class connection, which shares neither bandwidth, nor netblocks with dynamics, nor support staff. (my netblock *used* to be dynamic, but hasn't been used that way for several years)
For example, the last time I called them, the *first person who answered the phone* logged into a nameserver and corrected a PTR record for me. (I checked!)
Now, the routing issue Peter mentioned...that's a different matter, which I will need to check out. Lots of people and a few companies use my network, and I've not had any issues thus far. I've always despised the "cable company" ISPs, for obvious reasons, but Comcast Business has surprised me by being absolutely top-notch from (my) day one.
Comcast, and Cox, and Verizon, and even AT&T (down south), and
possibly Megapath, (mine), normally want to know why. But strangely
enough Megapath, doesn't care about a personal webserver living and
running here.
All or nearly all of the consumer services suck. They are like Wal*Mart...super cheap up front, but in the end you pay in some other way. Don't do it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 11 Feb 2013, at 23:30, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013, at 23:21, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter Lothberg <roll at stupi.se> wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
--P
-Dave
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; mcguire at neurotica.com
Arrival-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:11:43 -0500 (EST)
Final-Recipient: rfc822; roll at Stupi.SE
Original-Recipient: rfc822;roll at Stupi.SE
Action: failed
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--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
Comcast, and Cox, and Verizon, and even AT&T (down south), and
possibly Megapath, (mine), normally want to know why. But strangely
enough Megapath, doesn't care about a personal webserver living and
running here.
AT&T didn't care when I got port 25 unblocked i'm still blacklisted by every mail server due to a dynamic IP though. ;)
The TOS also explicitly allows web servers or used to anyway Mind I have a VPS and everything. ;)
(Bell ringing time: Dave there's a box by you complete with an
interesting gadget inside, currently being used by two cats as a
sleeping post, it really needs me.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
Hello!
Then you must have found an intelligent helpdesk person. Every time I
would ask about that, and this was about ten years previously and
sadly after they started supplying their clueless helpdesk people
rather then the original crowd Covad had, I would be taken to task as
to why.... Oh and they had no idea what Linux was and what it did. The
fact that their hardware was a badly configured and quite out of date
system running Solaris 7 was an interesting and amusing fact.
I didn't even need to call the help desk it was a button on a website.
Badly configured and out of date Solaris 7? That's amusing.
As for running a website, I was aiding and abetting in that direction
about then as well, same box, but they were acting similarly.
Ahhh.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013, at 23:21, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter Lothberg <roll at stupi.se> wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
--P
-Dave
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; mcguire at neurotica.com
Arrival-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:11:43 -0500 (EST)
Final-Recipient: rfc822; roll at Stupi.SE
Original-Recipient: rfc822;roll at Stupi.SE
Action: failed
Status: 4.4.1
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; connect to Mail3.Stupi.NET[192.108.206.11]:25:
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--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
Comcast, and Cox, and Verizon, and even AT&T (down south), and
possibly Megapath, (mine), normally want to know why. But strangely
enough Megapath, doesn't care about a personal webserver living and
running here.
AT&T didn't care when I got port 25 unblocked i'm still blacklisted by every mail server due to a dynamic IP though. ;)
The TOS also explicitly allows web servers or used to anyway Mind I have a VPS and everything. ;)
(Bell ringing time: Dave there's a box by you complete with an
interesting gadget inside, currently being used by two cats as a
sleeping post, it really needs me.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
Hello!
Then you must have found an intelligent helpdesk person. Every time I
would ask about that, and this was about ten years previously and
sadly after they started supplying their clueless helpdesk people
rather then the original crowd Covad had, I would be taken to task as
to why.... Oh and they had no idea what Linux was and what it did. The
fact that their hardware was a badly configured and quite out of date
system running Solaris 7 was an interesting and amusing fact.
As for running a website, I was aiding and abetting in that direction
about then as well, same box, but they were acting similarly.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 11 Feb 2013, at 23:21, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter Lothberg <roll at stupi.se> wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
--P
-Dave
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; mcguire at neurotica.com
Arrival-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:11:43 -0500 (EST)
Final-Recipient: rfc822; roll at Stupi.SE
Original-Recipient: rfc822;roll at Stupi.SE
Action: failed
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Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; connect to Mail3.Stupi.NET[192.108.206.11]:25:
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--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
Comcast, and Cox, and Verizon, and even AT&T (down south), and
possibly Megapath, (mine), normally want to know why. But strangely
enough Megapath, doesn't care about a personal webserver living and
running here.
AT&T didn't care when I got port 25 unblocked i'm still blacklisted by every mail server due to a dynamic IP though. ;)
The TOS also explicitly allows web servers or used to anyway Mind I have a VPS and everything. ;)
(Bell ringing time: Dave there's a box by you complete with an
interesting gadget inside, currently being used by two cats as a
sleeping post, it really needs me.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter Lothberg <roll at stupi.se> wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
--P
-Dave
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; mcguire at neurotica.com
Arrival-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:11:43 -0500 (EST)
Final-Recipient: rfc822; roll at Stupi.SE
Original-Recipient: rfc822;roll at Stupi.SE
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
Comcast, and Cox, and Verizon, and even AT&T (down south), and
possibly Megapath, (mine), normally want to know why. But strangely
enough Megapath, doesn't care about a personal webserver living and
running here.
(Bell ringing time: Dave there's a box by you complete with an
interesting gadget inside, currently being used by two cats as a
sleeping post, it really needs me.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 02/11/2013 07:47 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
A pair of KS10s. (you know the ones)
What did you plan to run?
I haven't gotten that far yet...kinda moot with no disks. ;)
Is DECnet even possible if you run TOPS-20? I
seem to remember MRC mumbling at one time about him having hacked that,
but I'm not sure if it ever became officially supported or distributed.
Tops-10 might work with DECnet, but then I also wonder over which
interface, and if it do Phase IV...?
I don't know, but I'm willing to do what I've gotta do...can run DDCMP
lines to another machine, etc.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Panda20 based on 5.x monitor runs tops20 on the KS, but no DECnet.. -:)
