We actually got a VPN going, and this solved the problem. My machine is part of Area 18 now and is called FLIND (18.777).
You can remove BIGBOA (1.42) for the time being.
On Feb 22, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-02-22 19:37, Julian Wolfe wrote:
HI all,
Registered on HECnet many years ago, but was never able to get on for long or at all in the past. Now it seems this problem plagues me yet again in a different form.
I've got a PDP-11/23+ running RSTS/E 10.1 and DECnet/E 4.1 behind a DD-WRT router in my basement (WRT54GS, DD-WRT build 13064), and this is behind an AT&T U-Verse router. Something is going on with the packet source ports - they are being marked with a randomized source port.
My questions are: Does the source port matter, when using Johnny's bridge, and he knows my port?
If the port does matter, has anyone experienced this issue (specifically on AT&T U-Verse or otherwise) and solved it?
Is this something I can fix myself, or do I need to look for another solution?
The wierd part is, I used the bridge successfully for 2 days with the bridge installed on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.8. This machine was also talking through a different WRT54GS with DD-WRT build 13064 and identical settings to the other router (client bridged mode). I then moved the PDP to the basement with the rest of my servers, had it go through the linux box for the bridge, and suddenly the packets have this mangles source port. I tried switching it back to the Mac, and now this problem has cropped up there too.
Phew! Help! I just want to hang out with yous guys :)
I've hit the problem with mangled ports in the past. Yes, it certainly do matter for the bridge (or anything else using UDP). Not only a security issue, but you peer needs to know where to send his packets as well.
I have a hack to the bridge, which sortof adapts to this. Ping me sunday, when I have some more time...
Johnny
Hi all,
I seem to remember a system on HECnet with NOTES installed, and there was some kind of conversation going on it.
Is that machine still going?
Julian
Sorry about that, tried to bring it back on topic once I got onto RHESUS.
Just thought I'd give a reason for being slow and then it sorta spiralled out of control..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 22:51, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Guys... This is getting *way* offtopic.
This list is about *hecnet* in particular, DECnet more generally, and I can buy talk about various old computers (preferrably from DEC), but seriously? The political situation in Beirut?
Please think twice before posting to hecnet in the future. Not everyone needs this much ot stuff in their mailbox.
Johnny
On 2013-02-22 17:22, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I still have no REAL idea of WTF that was all about, prob Amine Gemayel (our guy) going to meet the President (sorta not our guy)
But that's Beirut, instead of the typical "3 car tailback causing traffic to back up" it's "<Insert political guy here> closing half of fucking roundabouts with APCS and bunkers because he's going to meet <insert religious leader / state institution>, so no traffic on half the arteries. Sorry about that."
I love this place, it's like a fucking Vietnam movie meets Southern France.
sampsa
On 22 Feb 2013, at 16:34, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
If you call half a dozen APCs with 50 cals and about a hundred soldiers closing a roundabout making late for Arabic class interesting, then yes.
Cab drivers just swearing, I ask him watch going on, he says he has no idea, then I see the giant flags of Bachir Gemayel.
Turns out March 14 or LF (the people I hang with were out marching). The army was there to stop out of control Shia youths petrol bombing a Church or something ,thus starting Civil War - Round 49.
sampsa
On 22 Feb 2013, at 15:41, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Sampsa, somehow I get the idea you lead a very interesting and exciting life :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:36:44
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] New attempt at HECNET PHONE directory
Will do. In a hospital in Beirut because of the fiancee so this is kinda low on my priority list lol :)
sampsa
On 22 Feb 2013, at 15:31, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote:
(Going through my mail) Area 11 is fine too.
--Saku
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:04 AM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Ok, areas 42 and 9 added.
sampsa
On 29 Jan 2013, at 00:58, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Sampsa,
You can add area 42 - my log files can take it :) If polling machines that aren't always up is a problem, then BET:: is always up, and my main machine.
Ian
On 2013-01-28, at 2:54 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I found some DCL code on Deathrow's "Hack VMS FAQ" that outputs a nicely formatted listing of PHONE DIR.
So I took this code, ran it against a bunch of my hosts and ran it, and it works fine.
The output is in RHESUS::[.PHONEDIR]HECNETDIR.TXT
This service is opt-in: if you want you system listed in the phone directory, let me know and I'll add it to the script. Currently it only covers areas 8 and 47.
PS: Johnny, as we're not touching area 1, you shouldn't be getting those log messages I hope..
sampsa
Hello!
About the protest I arranged that. Along with almost everything else.
Except why you find yourself inside that sort of place.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 2013-02-22 19:37, Julian Wolfe wrote:
HI all,
Registered on HECnet many years ago, but was never able to get on for long or at all in the past. Now it seems this problem plagues me yet again in a different form.
I've got a PDP-11/23+ running RSTS/E 10.1 and DECnet/E 4.1 behind a DD-WRT router in my basement (WRT54GS, DD-WRT build 13064), and this is behind an AT&T U-Verse router. Something is going on with the packet source ports - they are being marked with a randomized source port.
My questions are: Does the source port matter, when using Johnny's bridge, and he knows my port?
If the port does matter, has anyone experienced this issue (specifically on AT&T U-Verse or otherwise) and solved it?
Is this something I can fix myself, or do I need to look for another solution?
The wierd part is, I used the bridge successfully for 2 days with the bridge installed on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.8. This machine was also talking through a different WRT54GS with DD-WRT build 13064 and identical settings to the other router (client bridged mode). I then moved the PDP to the basement with the rest of my servers, had it go through the linux box for the bridge, and suddenly the packets have this mangles source port. I tried switching it back to the Mac, and now this problem has cropped up there too.
Phew! Help! I just want to hang out with yous guys :)
I've hit the problem with mangled ports in the past. Yes, it certainly do matter for the bridge (or anything else using UDP). Not only a security issue, but you peer needs to know where to send his packets as well.
I have a hack to the bridge, which sortof adapts to this. Ping me sunday, when I have some more time...
Johnny
Guys... This is getting *way* offtopic.
This list is about *hecnet* in particular, DECnet more generally, and I can buy talk about various old computers (preferrably from DEC), but seriously? The political situation in Beirut?
Please think twice before posting to hecnet in the future. Not everyone needs this much ot stuff in their mailbox.
Johnny
On 2013-02-22 17:22, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I still have no REAL idea of WTF that was all about, prob Amine Gemayel (our guy) going to meet the President (sorta not our guy)
But that's Beirut, instead of the typical "3 car tailback causing traffic to back up" it's "<Insert political guy here> closing half of fucking roundabouts with APCS and bunkers because he's going to meet <insert religious leader / state institution>, so no traffic on half the arteries. Sorry about that."
I love this place, it's like a fucking Vietnam movie meets Southern France.
sampsa
On 22 Feb 2013, at 16:34, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
If you call half a dozen APCs with 50 cals and about a hundred soldiers closing a roundabout making late for Arabic class interesting, then yes.
Cab drivers just swearing, I ask him watch going on, he says he has no idea, then I see the giant flags of Bachir Gemayel.
Turns out March 14 or LF (the people I hang with were out marching). The army was there to stop out of control Shia youths petrol bombing a Church or something ,thus starting Civil War - Round 49.
sampsa
On 22 Feb 2013, at 15:41, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Sampsa, somehow I get the idea you lead a very interesting and exciting life :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:36:44
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] New attempt at HECNET PHONE directory
Will do. In a hospital in Beirut because of the fiancee so this is kinda low on my priority list lol :)
sampsa
On 22 Feb 2013, at 15:31, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote:
(Going through my mail) Area 11 is fine too.
--Saku
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:04 AM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Ok, areas 42 and 9 added.
sampsa
On 29 Jan 2013, at 00:58, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Sampsa,
You can add area 42 - my log files can take it :) If polling machines that aren't always up is a problem, then BET:: is always up, and my main machine.
Ian
On 2013-01-28, at 2:54 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I found some DCL code on Deathrow's "Hack VMS FAQ" that outputs a nicely formatted listing of PHONE DIR.
So I took this code, ran it against a bunch of my hosts and ran it, and it works fine.
The output is in RHESUS::[.PHONEDIR]HECNETDIR.TXT
This service is opt-in: if you want you system listed in the phone directory, let me know and I'll add it to the script. Currently it only covers areas 8 and 47.
PS: Johnny, as we're not touching area 1, you shouldn't be getting those log messages I hope..
sampsa
Hello!
About the protest I arranged that. Along with almost everything else.
Except why you find yourself inside that sort of place.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
Sent from a mobile device
On 22 Feb 2013, at 14:39, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
So, Ian. Do you have something that can do this as well? Then we'll have gig pipes on both sides of the pond!
I can spin up a virtual Cisco on my VPS most likely. Only difficulty is coaxing my provider in to giving me another IP. (Would be easy)
-brian
On 2/22/2013 2:37 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
OK, I'll keep you posted.
The machine (well the VM) will eventually be in a colo box in London on a Gbps pipe :)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 21:36, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
That's certainly not a problem. I don't much care for it either, but it works. :)
-brian
On 2/22/2013 2:24 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Urgh, I hate OpenVPN.
But if I give you an admin account on the VPN box, want to manage it?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 21:21, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
If no PPTP either there is always OpenVPN, (SSL)
-brian
On 2/22/2013 2:19 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
So no GRE = no PPTP?
I'm going to set up a PPTP server (each user gets a static private IP) with bridge and multinet end-points.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 20:51, Julian Wolfe <julian at twinax.org> wrote:
So, Ian. Do you have something that can do this as well? Then we'll have gig pipes on both sides of the pond!
-brian
On 2/22/2013 2:37 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
OK, I'll keep you posted.
The machine (well the VM) will eventually be in a colo box in London on a Gbps pipe :)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 21:36, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
That's certainly not a problem. I don't much care for it either, but it works. :)
-brian
On 2/22/2013 2:24 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Urgh, I hate OpenVPN.
But if I give you an admin account on the VPN box, want to manage it?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 21:21, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
If no PPTP either there is always OpenVPN, (SSL)
-brian
On 2/22/2013 2:19 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
So no GRE = no PPTP?
I'm going to set up a PPTP server (each user gets a static private IP) with bridge and multinet end-points.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 20:51, Julian Wolfe <julian at twinax.org> wrote:
OK, I'll keep you posted.
The machine (well the VM) will eventually be in a colo box in London on a Gbps pipe :)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 21:36, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
That's certainly not a problem. I don't much care for it either, but it works. :)
-brian
On 2/22/2013 2:24 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Urgh, I hate OpenVPN.
But if I give you an admin account on the VPN box, want to manage it?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 21:21, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
If no PPTP either there is always OpenVPN, (SSL)
-brian
On 2/22/2013 2:19 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
So no GRE = no PPTP?
I'm going to set up a PPTP server (each user gets a static private IP) with bridge and multinet end-points.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 20:51, Julian Wolfe <julian at twinax.org> wrote:
That's certainly not a problem. I don't much care for it either, but it works. :)
-brian
On 2/22/2013 2:24 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Urgh, I hate OpenVPN.
But if I give you an admin account on the VPN box, want to manage it?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 21:21, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
If no PPTP either there is always OpenVPN, (SSL)
-brian
On 2/22/2013 2:19 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
So no GRE = no PPTP?
I'm going to set up a PPTP server (each user gets a static private IP) with bridge and multinet end-points.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 20:51, Julian Wolfe <julian at twinax.org> wrote:
Urgh, I hate OpenVPN.
But if I give you an admin account on the VPN box, want to manage it?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 21:21, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
If no PPTP either there is always OpenVPN, (SSL)
-brian
On 2/22/2013 2:19 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
So no GRE = no PPTP?
I'm going to set up a PPTP server (each user gets a static private IP) with bridge and multinet end-points.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 22 Feb 2013, at 20:51, Julian Wolfe <julian at twinax.org> wrote:
