While I understand the emotion on this, one of the main SW guy the vt-100 is an old friend (and screwed up the layout of two keyboards at Masscomp after to he screwed up the vt-1xx series too IMH). Tom used to say, the only real issue is keyboard layout because the rest is "just SW"
The other issue is that while the original VT-100 used ANSI sequences, it was actually not ANSI. DEC released the terminal before the ANSI was complete and there are a number of places where VT-100s differ from sequences. So this also becomes an issue (and part of what Cory is pointing out).
But the truth is a number of firms did parrot the VT-100 family sequences bug-for-bug.
The problem is as Tom, says the unless you have a DEC keyboard layout, you are mapping something and that tends the be source of much discomfort.
Clem
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
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On 25 Feb 2013, at 13:58, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
> On 2013-02-25 18:06, Clem Cole wrote:
>> check out http://www.iterm2.com
>
> Would not recommend. It's perhaps a good terminal application, but not if you want something that is even a fair VT100 emulation.
The only good VT100 emulation is a real VT100. ;)
>
> Johnny
>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com
>> <mailto:sampsa at mac.com>> wrote:
>>
>> If someone has a config file for OS X Terminal.app I'd cry with
>> happiness.
>>
>> sampsa
>>
>> On 25 Feb 2013, at 11:58, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl
>> <mailto:e.olofsen at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>
>> > Just in case it may be helpful for someone using xterm, I put
>> together
>> > some well known keyboard translations below. The keypad is such
>> > that it will work with EDT; the PLUS key will then be DEL C.
>> > F9-12 may be used on a laptop and NOTES, and they as below they
>> > correspond to SELECT, NEXT UNSEEN, BACK TOPIC, and NEXT TOPIC:
>> >
>> > xterm -sl 1000 -fn 7x14 -g 132x48 -xrm \
>> > 'XTerm*vt100.translations: #override \n\
>> > <Key>F9: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
>> > <Key>F10: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
>> > <Key>F11: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
>> > <Key>F12: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
>> > <Key>BackSpace: string(0x7f) \n\
>> > <Key>Num_Lock: string(0x1b) string("OP") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_Divide: string(0x1b) string("OQ") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_Multiply: string(0x1b) string("OR") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_Subtract: string(0x1b) string("OS") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_Add: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_Enter: string(0x1b) string("OM") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_Decimal: string(0x1b) string("On") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_0: string(0x1b) string("Op") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_1: string(0x1b) string("Oq") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_2: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_3: string(0x1b) string("Os") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_4: string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_5: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_6: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_7: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_8: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n\
>> > <Key>KP_9: string(0x1b) string("Oy")' \
>> > -e telnet <host>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 02:12:05PM -0500, Steve Davidson wrote:
>> >> Good question! I just tried my PC keyboard from a PuTTY
>> terminal. Some
>> >> of the functions map, others do not. It looks like it will
>> depend on
>> >> what you are working with.
>> >>
>> >> -Steve
>> >>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
>> >>> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
>> <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>] On Behalf Of Erik Olofsen
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 13:49
>> >>> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [HECnet] NOTES system?
>> >>>
>> >>> Related to using NOTES, before doing the discussion on NOTES,
>> >>> for using the keypad, how do the present HECnet users use the
>> >>> DEC keypad on non-DEC equipment?
>> >>>
>> >>> Erik
>> >>>
>> >>
>
The VT220 series are my favourite - nice and compact (compared to a Vt100).
Ian
On 2013-02-25, at 11:33 AM, <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> wrote:
On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
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On 25 Feb 2013, at 13:58, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-02-25 18:06, Clem Cole wrote:
check out http://www.iterm2.com
Would not recommend. It's perhaps a good terminal application, but not if you want something that is even a fair VT100 emulation.
The only good VT100 emulation is a real VT100. ;)
Or a VT2xx or later from DEC. Those are really solid implementations, for one thing because there was an incredibly detailed spec spelling out formally what every escape sequence does.
paul
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On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
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On 25 Feb 2013, at 13:58, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-02-25 18:06, Clem Cole wrote:
check out http://www.iterm2.com
Would not recommend. It's perhaps a good terminal application, but not if you want something that is even a fair VT100 emulation.
The only good VT100 emulation is a real VT100. ;)
Or a VT2xx or later from DEC. Those are really solid implementations, for one thing because there was an incredibly detailed spec spelling out formally what every escape sequence does.
paul
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On 25 Feb 2013, at 13:58, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-02-25 18:06, Clem Cole wrote:
check out http://www.iterm2.com
Would not recommend. It's perhaps a good terminal application, but not if you want something that is even a fair VT100 emulation.
The only good VT100 emulation is a real VT100. ;)
Johnny
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com
<mailto:sampsa at mac.com>> wrote:
If someone has a config file for OS X Terminal.app I'd cry with
happiness.
sampsa
On 25 Feb 2013, at 11:58, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl
<mailto:e.olofsen at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
Just in case it may be helpful for someone using xterm, I put
together
some well known keyboard translations below. The keypad is such
that it will work with EDT; the PLUS key will then be DEL C.
F9-12 may be used on a laptop and NOTES, and they as below they
correspond to SELECT, NEXT UNSEEN, BACK TOPIC, and NEXT TOPIC:
xterm -sl 1000 -fn 7x14 -g 132x48 -xrm \
'XTerm*vt100.translations: #override \n\
<Key>F9: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
<Key>F10: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
<Key>F11: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
<Key>F12: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
<Key>BackSpace: string(0x7f) \n\
<Key>Num_Lock: string(0x1b) string("OP") \n\
<Key>KP_Divide: string(0x1b) string("OQ") \n\
<Key>KP_Multiply: string(0x1b) string("OR") \n\
<Key>KP_Subtract: string(0x1b) string("OS") \n\
<Key>KP_Add: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
<Key>KP_Enter: string(0x1b) string("OM") \n\
<Key>KP_Decimal: string(0x1b) string("On") \n\
<Key>KP_0: string(0x1b) string("Op") \n\
<Key>KP_1: string(0x1b) string("Oq") \n\
<Key>KP_2: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
<Key>KP_3: string(0x1b) string("Os") \n\
<Key>KP_4: string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n\
<Key>KP_5: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
<Key>KP_6: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n\
<Key>KP_7: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
<Key>KP_8: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n\
<Key>KP_9: string(0x1b) string("Oy")' \
-e telnet <host>
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 02:12:05PM -0500, Steve Davidson wrote:
Good question! I just tried my PC keyboard from a PuTTY
terminal. Some
of the functions map, others do not. It looks like it will
depend on
what you are working with.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
<mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>] On Behalf Of Erik Olofsen
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 13:49
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] NOTES system?
Related to using NOTES, before doing the discussion on NOTES,
for using the keypad, how do the present HECnet users use the
DEC keypad on non-DEC equipment?
Erik
On 2013-02-25 18:06, Clem Cole wrote:
check out http://www.iterm2.com
Would not recommend. It's perhaps a good terminal application, but not if you want something that is even a fair VT100 emulation.
Johnny
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com
<mailto:sampsa at mac.com>> wrote:
If someone has a config file for OS X Terminal.app I'd cry with
happiness.
sampsa
On 25 Feb 2013, at 11:58, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl
<mailto:e.olofsen at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
> Just in case it may be helpful for someone using xterm, I put
together
> some well known keyboard translations below. The keypad is such
> that it will work with EDT; the PLUS key will then be DEL C.
> F9-12 may be used on a laptop and NOTES, and they as below they
> correspond to SELECT, NEXT UNSEEN, BACK TOPIC, and NEXT TOPIC:
>
> xterm -sl 1000 -fn 7x14 -g 132x48 -xrm \
> 'XTerm*vt100.translations: #override \n\
> <Key>F9: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
> <Key>F10: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
> <Key>F11: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
> <Key>F12: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
> <Key>BackSpace: string(0x7f) \n\
> <Key>Num_Lock: string(0x1b) string("OP") \n\
> <Key>KP_Divide: string(0x1b) string("OQ") \n\
> <Key>KP_Multiply: string(0x1b) string("OR") \n\
> <Key>KP_Subtract: string(0x1b) string("OS") \n\
> <Key>KP_Add: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
> <Key>KP_Enter: string(0x1b) string("OM") \n\
> <Key>KP_Decimal: string(0x1b) string("On") \n\
> <Key>KP_0: string(0x1b) string("Op") \n\
> <Key>KP_1: string(0x1b) string("Oq") \n\
> <Key>KP_2: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
> <Key>KP_3: string(0x1b) string("Os") \n\
> <Key>KP_4: string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n\
> <Key>KP_5: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
> <Key>KP_6: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n\
> <Key>KP_7: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
> <Key>KP_8: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n\
> <Key>KP_9: string(0x1b) string("Oy")' \
> -e telnet <host>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 02:12:05PM -0500, Steve Davidson wrote:
>> Good question! I just tried my PC keyboard from a PuTTY
terminal. Some
>> of the functions map, others do not. It looks like it will
depend on
>> what you are working with.
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
>>> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
<mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>] On Behalf Of Erik Olofsen
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 13:49
>>> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
>>> Subject: Re: [HECnet] NOTES system?
>>>
>>> Related to using NOTES, before doing the discussion on NOTES,
>>> for using the keypad, how do the present HECnet users use the
>>> DEC keypad on non-DEC equipment?
>>>
>>> Erik
>>>
>>
I suspect so. iterm2 has much more complete vtxxx support, extensions, abilities to use different HW etc. - check out the help files. You'll find reprogrammed configs for most every function I have personally looked.
The one complaint about item (first edition) and EDT is described here:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1470855?start=0&tstart=0
But I am under the impression that issue was fixed/supported in iterm2
That said, I don't use EDT on VMS so, I never looked for support for it on my Mac (vi and emacs are more to my liking) - but I know many people that loved EDT and TECO. In the early 1980's one of my co-worked wrote some elisp for emacs so the ex-VMS/EDT guys could move from UNIX. Funny, I remember the groussing at the time, although I don't think I know any of them that continued to use the crutch longer than a few months -- well except for Cantrell (who ended up writing a version of TECO in C see below), after they learned vi/emacs (like me) they went back since those editors are ubiquitous.
Clem
cut/pasted from: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TecoEditor
Paul Cantrell has released a particularly interactive version of TECO called Video TECO. http://videoteco.sourceforge.net/ has source available via CVS. A manual for this version is at http://www.copters.com/teco.html .
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 25 Feb 2013, at 19:06, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
> check out http://www.iterm2.com
>
OK so I'm running it - doesn't seem to do that much more than Terminal.app - am I missing something here?
sampsa
On 25 Feb 2013, at 19:06, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
check out http://www.iterm2.com
OK so I'm running it - doesn't seem to do that much more than Terminal.app - am I missing something here?
sampsa
Just realised, I don't have a number keypad anyway lol.
Need to buy a cheap USB keyboard later for my larger MBP..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 25 Feb 2013, at 19:06, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
check out http://www.iterm2.com
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
If someone has a config file for OS X Terminal.app I'd cry with happiness.
sampsa
On 25 Feb 2013, at 11:58, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Just in case it may be helpful for someone using xterm, I put together
some well known keyboard translations below. The keypad is such
that it will work with EDT; the PLUS key will then be DEL C.
F9-12 may be used on a laptop and NOTES, and they as below they
correspond to SELECT, NEXT UNSEEN, BACK TOPIC, and NEXT TOPIC:
xterm -sl 1000 -fn 7x14 -g 132x48 -xrm \
'XTerm*vt100.translations: #override \n\
<Key>F9: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
<Key>F10: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
<Key>F11: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
<Key>F12: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
<Key>BackSpace: string(0x7f) \n\
<Key>Num_Lock: string(0x1b) string("OP") \n\
<Key>KP_Divide: string(0x1b) string("OQ") \n\
<Key>KP_Multiply: string(0x1b) string("OR") \n\
<Key>KP_Subtract: string(0x1b) string("OS") \n\
<Key>KP_Add: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
<Key>KP_Enter: string(0x1b) string("OM") \n\
<Key>KP_Decimal: string(0x1b) string("On") \n\
<Key>KP_0: string(0x1b) string("Op") \n\
<Key>KP_1: string(0x1b) string("Oq") \n\
<Key>KP_2: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
<Key>KP_3: string(0x1b) string("Os") \n\
<Key>KP_4: string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n\
<Key>KP_5: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
<Key>KP_6: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n\
<Key>KP_7: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
<Key>KP_8: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n\
<Key>KP_9: string(0x1b) string("Oy")' \
-e telnet <host>
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 02:12:05PM -0500, Steve Davidson wrote:
Good question! I just tried my PC keyboard from a PuTTY terminal. Some
of the functions map, others do not. It looks like it will depend on
what you are working with.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Erik Olofsen
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 13:49
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] NOTES system?
Related to using NOTES, before doing the discussion on NOTES,
for using the keypad, how do the present HECnet users use the
DEC keypad on non-DEC equipment?
Erik
check out http://www.iterm2.com
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
If someone has a config file for OS X Terminal.app I'd cry with happiness.
sampsa
On 25 Feb 2013, at 11:58, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Just in case it may be helpful for someone using xterm, I put together
> some well known keyboard translations below. The keypad is such
> that it will work with EDT; the PLUS key will then be DEL C.
> F9-12 may be used on a laptop and NOTES, and they as below they
> correspond to SELECT, NEXT UNSEEN, BACK TOPIC, and NEXT TOPIC:
>
> xterm -sl 1000 -fn 7x14 -g 132x48 -xrm \
> 'XTerm*vt100.translations: #override \n\
> <Key>F9: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
> <Key>F10: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
> <Key>F11: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
> <Key>F12: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
> <Key>BackSpace: string(0x7f) \n\
> <Key>Num_Lock: string(0x1b) string("OP") \n\
> <Key>KP_Divide: string(0x1b) string("OQ") \n\
> <Key>KP_Multiply: string(0x1b) string("OR") \n\
> <Key>KP_Subtract: string(0x1b) string("OS") \n\
> <Key>KP_Add: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
> <Key>KP_Enter: string(0x1b) string("OM") \n\
> <Key>KP_Decimal: string(0x1b) string("On") \n\
> <Key>KP_0: string(0x1b) string("Op") \n\
> <Key>KP_1: string(0x1b) string("Oq") \n\
> <Key>KP_2: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
> <Key>KP_3: string(0x1b) string("Os") \n\
> <Key>KP_4: string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n\
> <Key>KP_5: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
> <Key>KP_6: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n\
> <Key>KP_7: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
> <Key>KP_8: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n\
> <Key>KP_9: string(0x1b) string("Oy")' \
> -e telnet <host>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 02:12:05PM -0500, Steve Davidson wrote:
>> Good question! I just tried my PC keyboard from a PuTTY terminal. Some
>> of the functions map, others do not. It looks like it will depend on
>> what you are working with.
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
>>> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Erik Olofsen
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 13:49
>>> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
>>> Subject: Re: [HECnet] NOTES system?
>>>
>>> Related to using NOTES, before doing the discussion on NOTES,
>>> for using the keypad, how do the present HECnet users use the
>>> DEC keypad on non-DEC equipment?
>>>
>>> Erik
>>>
>>
