On 13 May 2013, at 18:27, "G." <gerry77 at mail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 17:48:03 -0000, you wrote:
Patching the monitor should be doable without many problems, and I did that to
use the idle feature of KLH10 before being able to build a new custom monitor.
The harder part could be to find the symbol name for the word containing the
DECnet address, then everything should be quite easy.
I'll try to find that symbol name... :)
Thank you.
Well, here are the symbols:
M.SNAM is the system name (apparently not related to DECnet)
M.DNAM is the DECnet node name
M.LNAM is te LAT (default?) service name
M.DHOM is the DECnet area number (octal!)
M.DNUM is the DECnet node number (octal!)
Thank you.
Beware: the names are SIXBIT strings, so you must discover how to input SIXBIT
vaules with FILDDT (I have no idea, probably it's something like <ESC>letter).
This is the most updated DDT (and FILDDT) manual:
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10v704_docc/01/10,7/docupd/ddt.mem.html
Again, thank you.
Then there is a good book about TOPS-20 Macro programming, which is useful
even in a TOPS-10 environment, and which does explain quite well how to use
DDT and FILDDT. The book is by E. Gorin and here you'll find directions to
download it in PDF from a TOPS-20 site: http://www.bourguet.org/v2/pdp10/
(If it does not work I'll put a copy somewhere for you to grab.)
The reason I'm not using 7.04 is due to the missing 7.04 DECnet tape. Has
someone found a working one I'm not aware of?
I used the following tape images from Trailing Edge:
This one to boot (it works but the monitor into this tape doesn't keep time,
so you may well use TWONKY to create a boot tape with a working Monitor, way
better than the one into the KLAD pack):
BB-FI81B-DD Identified as "KLAD10-7.04-A TAPE 1/3 1989"
These for system programs and utilities (i.e. most of TOPS-10):
BB-X128C-SB CUSP (Commonly Used System Programs) 1 of 2
BB-FP63B-SB CUSP (Commonly Used System Programs) 2 of 2
BB-X130C-SB Customer Supported Tools
BB-FP64B-SB Unsupported Tools
This one for DECnet (7.04 version, the latest available):
BB-X116D-BB Identified as "DECNET-10 V4.0 SUP 16MT9 1989"
I thought that was only a supplemental tape that isn't particularly useful?
These for compilers, etc.:
BB-D480G-SB Fortran V11 (the only one available, incomplete but usable)
BB-H580E-SB Cobol V12C and Sort V4D, identified as "BB-H580E-SB_1985"
BB-D478D-BB Identified as "DBMS V5A"
This one to rebuild a good monitor from sources:
BB-X140C-SB Monitor 7.04 sources
Thank you.
Additional keys to decrypt patches (other keys are bundled with products):
BB-PANKA-BB Identified as "TOPS-10 SORT V4D"
Patches to update TOPS-10 to 7.05 (!):
Nice!
BB-BT99V-BB "TOPS-10 704 TSU04 TP 1 OF 3 1990"
BB-JR93N-BB "TOPS-10 704 TSU04 TP 2 OF 3 1990"
BB-PBDED-BB "TOPS-10 704 TSU04 TP 3 OF 3 1990"
Moreover, the tape identifed as "TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 Integration Tools V9,
3-Aug-1986" contains some tidbits such as a TOPS-10 version of the EDT editor
which can be quite useful when working with sources.
All of the above could be found on Bitsavers too:
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/bits/DEC/pdp10/magtape/dec_dis…
There are problems patching Fortran because there are no keys available to
decrypt patch files. Or that was the evidence when I made my last TOPS-10
installation. But now I've found some notes about some Fortran-20 key files
that might work with TOPS-10 Fortran too, but I never tried (IIRC)...
HTH, :)
G.
On Mon, 13 May 2013 17:48:03 -0000, you wrote:
Patching the monitor should be doable without many problems, and I did that to
use the idle feature of KLH10 before being able to build a new custom monitor.
The harder part could be to find the symbol name for the word containing the
DECnet address, then everything should be quite easy.
I'll try to find that symbol name... :)
Thank you.
Well, here are the symbols:
M.SNAM is the system name (apparently not related to DECnet)
M.DNAM is the DECnet node name
M.LNAM is te LAT (default?) service name
M.DHOM is the DECnet area number (octal!)
M.DNUM is the DECnet node number (octal!)
Beware: the names are SIXBIT strings, so you must discover how to input SIXBIT
vaules with FILDDT (I have no idea, probably it's something like <ESC>letter).
This is the most updated DDT (and FILDDT) manual:
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10v704_docc/01/10,7/docupd/ddt.mem.html
Then there is a good book about TOPS-20 Macro programming, which is useful
even in a TOPS-10 environment, and which does explain quite well how to use
DDT and FILDDT. The book is by E. Gorin and here you'll find directions to
download it in PDF from a TOPS-20 site: http://www.bourguet.org/v2/pdp10/
(If it does not work I'll put a copy somewhere for you to grab.)
The reason I'm not using 7.04 is due to the missing 7.04 DECnet tape. Has
someone found a working one I'm not aware of?
I used the following tape images from Trailing Edge:
This one to boot (it works but the monitor into this tape doesn't keep time,
so you may well use TWONKY to create a boot tape with a working Monitor, way
better than the one into the KLAD pack):
BB-FI81B-DD Identified as "KLAD10-7.04-A TAPE 1/3 1989"
These for system programs and utilities (i.e. most of TOPS-10):
BB-X128C-SB CUSP (Commonly Used System Programs) 1 of 2
BB-FP63B-SB CUSP (Commonly Used System Programs) 2 of 2
BB-X130C-SB Customer Supported Tools
BB-FP64B-SB Unsupported Tools
This one for DECnet (7.04 version, the latest available):
BB-X116D-BB Identified as "DECNET-10 V4.0 SUP 16MT9 1989"
These for compilers, etc.:
BB-D480G-SB Fortran V11 (the only one available, incomplete but usable)
BB-H580E-SB Cobol V12C and Sort V4D, identified as "BB-H580E-SB_1985"
BB-D478D-BB Identified as "DBMS V5A"
This one to rebuild a good monitor from sources:
BB-X140C-SB Monitor 7.04 sources
Additional keys to decrypt patches (other keys are bundled with products):
BB-PANKA-BB Identified as "TOPS-10 SORT V4D"
Patches to update TOPS-10 to 7.05 (!):
BB-BT99V-BB "TOPS-10 704 TSU04 TP 1 OF 3 1990"
BB-JR93N-BB "TOPS-10 704 TSU04 TP 2 OF 3 1990"
BB-PBDED-BB "TOPS-10 704 TSU04 TP 3 OF 3 1990"
Moreover, the tape identifed as "TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 Integration Tools V9,
3-Aug-1986" contains some tidbits such as a TOPS-10 version of the EDT editor
which can be quite useful when working with sources.
All of the above could be found on Bitsavers too:
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/bits/DEC/pdp10/magtape/dec_dis…
There are problems patching Fortran because there are no keys available to
decrypt patch files. Or that was the evidence when I made my last TOPS-10
installation. But now I've found some notes about some Fortran-20 key files
that might work with TOPS-10 Fortran too, but I never tried (IIRC)...
HTH, :)
G.
I have an RB750GL. It's cute. Doesn't look like a terrible thing but it doesn't really do what I want so I haven't played with it much. May use it as a VPN endpoint or something though. Who knows. It'll be a couple months till I get around to playing with it again I'm sure. :)
-brian
On May 13, 2013, at 9:18, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
Having had a trawl of the web for options for my routing/dual ADSL issues I came across MikroTik: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Main_Pagehttp://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-routerboard-2011uas2hndin-routeros-level…
The WIFI enabled router includes a 5 port GIGABIT and 5 port FAST ethernet switch for GBP108.
I've asked on their IRC and it would appear to satisfy my requirements when attached to two ADSL modems.
Not came across them before but thought they might be interested to a group of known tinkerers...
Mark.
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http://wickensonline.co.ukhttp://declegacy.org.ukhttp://retrochallenge.orghttps://twitter.com/#!/@urbancamo
HECNET: http://hecnet.eu, Email: HALO::MSW
On May 13, 2013, at 0:33, "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Eurgh. I hate those designed-to-fail Dells. They do make great space heaters. ;)
The designed-to-last forever Dells (Precision) make great space heaters as well. :)
-brian
I saw a big capacitor or a RA82 disk blowing up... Lots of black smoke which smells really foul... And I saw the interior of the unit when the DEC field technician came to repair it. An ugly mess of half-burned oil...
Of course, when the cap was replaced and the cabinet was cleaned up, the disk spun up and ran without losing a single bit :)
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
El 13/05/2013, a les 6:29, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> va escriure:
I've seen the effects of blown electrolytic capacitors. It's not
pretty
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 7.5.2013 20:12, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:58, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:48, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:35, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Anybody have this?
My DS200/MC has just bit the dust it seems.
Send the DS200 my way. I like fixing those.
Every time I've had a problem with any of these, it has been the
power
supply. Got any hints on what breaks?
In the case of mine the fans failed which resulted in rubber around
inductors melting and having other components fail due to the heat.
Seems like similar has happened to people around the internet.
http://osx.dev.gimme-sympathy.org/users/b4/weblog/6b8a6/images/0e170..JPG#3…
I actually have ones with no fans...
Hopefully not with the original PSU? ;)
No, it's original. I have at least three of them (without fans).
However, I think the last one gave up last year. I'm now running with
with fans...
The board seems to be fine without fans...it's just the PSU needs
them..
I have a little fan running on my DECserver that has an external PSU
now. It runs fine like this.
Like I said. All my experience with the DS100/200/300 are that the PSU
is the thing that eventually gives up. :-)
Johnny
Usually the electrolytic capacitors of the PSU deteriorates and will
eventually cause the PSU to stop delivering the correct power to the
logic board and it will stop working.
If you want to fix it, replace the (electrolytic) capacitors and in most
cases you'll have a running DECserver good for years to come.
I'm still betting on the melted rubber being the cause of the failure in
my
decserver's PSU. ;)
If you don't want to do the replacement yourself, find a TV repair shop
in the neighbourhood and ask them to do the replacement. It won't cost
huge amounts; maybe 10-20 for the capacitors and an hours work.
Kari
.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
I've seen the effects of blown electrolytic capacitors. It's not
pretty. Remember that photo you showed us of a R.PI posing as a
system? It was resting on a specie of Dell Optiplex. Most of the
family is well behaved, but one member was deliberately built with
less then stellar capacitors.
Eurgh. I hate those designed-to-fail Dells. They do make great space
heaters. ;)
They all failed in less then a year.
----
Incidentally Dave this problem isn't your fault. I might want to
consider having those Yeti move back......
I don't think Yeti have a particularly usable capacitance
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
The one I was arguing with died of a different ailment. Cascade
failure in its memory controller. But an earlier one did die from that
particular problem. It was a paired P3 (I think), although it might
have been a paired P2, but, not important.
The Yeti are doing something else. Its a holding action before the
next wave arrives. Cybermen. His cats are paying for it. With his
poker winnings.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Mon, 13 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 7.5.2013 20:12, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:58, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:48, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:35, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Anybody have this?
My DS200/MC has just bit the dust it seems.
Send the DS200 my way. I like fixing those.
Every time I've had a problem with any of these, it has been the
power
supply. Got any hints on what breaks?
In the case of mine the fans failed which resulted in rubber around
inductors melting and having other components fail due to the heat.
Seems like similar has happened to people around the internet.
http://osx.dev.gimme-sympathy.org/users/b4/weblog/6b8a6/images/0e170..JPG#3…
I actually have ones with no fans...
Hopefully not with the original PSU? ;)
No, it's original. I have at least three of them (without fans).
However, I think the last one gave up last year. I'm now running with
with fans...
The board seems to be fine without fans...it's just the PSU needs them..
I have a little fan running on my DECserver that has an external PSU
now. It runs fine like this.
Like I said. All my experience with the DS100/200/300 are that the PSU
is the thing that eventually gives up. :-)
Johnny
Usually the electrolytic capacitors of the PSU deteriorates and will
eventually cause the PSU to stop delivering the correct power to the
logic board and it will stop working.
If you want to fix it, replace the (electrolytic) capacitors and in most
cases you'll have a running DECserver good for years to come.
I'm still betting on the melted rubber being the cause of the failure in my
decserver's PSU. ;)
If you don't want to do the replacement yourself, find a TV repair shop
in the neighbourhood and ask them to do the replacement. It won't cost
huge amounts; maybe 10-20 for the capacitors and an hours work.
Kari
.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
I've seen the effects of blown electrolytic capacitors. It's not
pretty. Remember that photo you showed us of a R.PI posing as a
system? It was resting on a specie of Dell Optiplex. Most of the
family is well behaved, but one member was deliberately built with
less then stellar capacitors.
Eurgh. I hate those designed-to-fail Dells. They do make great space heaters. ;)
They all failed in less then a year.
----
Incidentally Dave this problem isn't your fault. I might want to
consider having those Yeti move back......
I don't think Yeti have a particularly usable capacitance
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 7.5.2013 20:12, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:58, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:48, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:35, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Anybody have this?
My DS200/MC has just bit the dust it seems.
Send the DS200 my way. I like fixing those.
Every time I've had a problem with any of these, it has been the
power
supply. Got any hints on what breaks?
In the case of mine the fans failed which resulted in rubber around
inductors melting and having other components fail due to the heat.
Seems like similar has happened to people around the internet.
http://osx.dev.gimme-sympathy.org/users/b4/weblog/6b8a6/images/0e170.JPG#32…
I actually have ones with no fans...
Hopefully not with the original PSU? ;)
No, it's original. I have at least three of them (without fans).
However, I think the last one gave up last year. I'm now running with
with fans...
The board seems to be fine without fans...it's just the PSU needs them.
I have a little fan running on my DECserver that has an external PSU
now. It runs fine like this.
Like I said. All my experience with the DS100/200/300 are that the PSU
is the thing that eventually gives up. :-)
Johnny
Usually the electrolytic capacitors of the PSU deteriorates and will
eventually cause the PSU to stop delivering the correct power to the
logic board and it will stop working.
If you want to fix it, replace the (electrolytic) capacitors and in most
cases you'll have a running DECserver good for years to come.
I'm still betting on the melted rubber being the cause of the failure in my
decserver's PSU. ;)
If you don't want to do the replacement yourself, find a TV repair shop
in the neighbourhood and ask them to do the replacement. It won't cost
huge amounts; maybe 10-20 for the capacitors and an hours work.
Kari
.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
I've seen the effects of blown electrolytic capacitors. It's not
pretty. Remember that photo you showed us of a R.PI posing as a
system? It was resting on a specie of Dell Optiplex. Most of the
family is well behaved, but one member was deliberately built with
less then stellar capacitors.
They all failed in less then a year.
----
Incidentally Dave this problem isn't your fault. I might want to
consider having those Yeti move back......
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Mon, 13 May 2013, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 7.5.2013 20:12, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:58, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:48, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:35, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Anybody have this?
My DS200/MC has just bit the dust it seems.
Send the DS200 my way. I like fixing those.
Every time I've had a problem with any of these, it has been the power
supply. Got any hints on what breaks?
In the case of mine the fans failed which resulted in rubber around
inductors melting and having other components fail due to the heat.
Seems like similar has happened to people around the internet.
http://osx.dev.gimme-sympathy.org/users/b4/weblog/6b8a6/images/0e170.JPG#32…
I actually have ones with no fans...
Hopefully not with the original PSU? ;)
No, it's original. I have at least three of them (without fans).
However, I think the last one gave up last year. I'm now running with
with fans...
The board seems to be fine without fans...it's just the PSU needs them.
I have a little fan running on my DECserver that has an external PSU
now. It runs fine like this.
Like I said. All my experience with the DS100/200/300 are that the PSU
is the thing that eventually gives up. :-)
Johnny
Usually the electrolytic capacitors of the PSU deteriorates and will
eventually cause the PSU to stop delivering the correct power to the
logic board and it will stop working.
If you want to fix it, replace the (electrolytic) capacitors and in most
cases you'll have a running DECserver good for years to come.
I'm still betting on the melted rubber being the cause of the failure in my decserver's PSU. ;)
If you don't want to do the replacement yourself, find a TV repair shop
in the neighbourhood and ask them to do the replacement. It won't cost
huge amounts; maybe 10-20 for the capacitors and an hours work.
Kari
.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On 7.5.2013 20:12, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:58, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:48, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-07 18:35, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Anybody have this?
My DS200/MC has just bit the dust it seems.
Send the DS200 my way. I like fixing those.
Every time I've had a problem with any of these, it has been the power
supply. Got any hints on what breaks?
In the case of mine the fans failed which resulted in rubber around
inductors melting and having other components fail due to the heat.
Seems like similar has happened to people around the internet.
http://osx.dev.gimme-sympathy.org/users/b4/weblog/6b8a6/images/0e170.JPG#32…
I actually have ones with no fans...
Hopefully not with the original PSU? ;)
No, it's original. I have at least three of them (without fans).
However, I think the last one gave up last year. I'm now running with
with fans...
The board seems to be fine without fans...it's just the PSU needs them.
I have a little fan running on my DECserver that has an external PSU
now. It runs fine like this.
Like I said. All my experience with the DS100/200/300 are that the PSU
is the thing that eventually gives up. :-)
Johnny
Usually the electrolytic capacitors of the PSU deteriorates and will eventually cause the PSU to stop delivering the correct power to the logic board and it will stop working.
If you want to fix it, replace the (electrolytic) capacitors and in most cases you'll have a running DECserver good for years to come.
If you don't want to do the replacement yourself, find a TV repair shop in the neighbourhood and ask them to do the replacement. It won't cost huge amounts; maybe 10-20 for the capacitors and an hours work.
Kari
.
